Drama and criticism from 5th Aniversery thread

[Eohmer]

Re: Drama and criticism from 5th Aniversery thread

Honestly, I think this thread should be closes all together. Someone started a new one anyway... maybe that one will stay clean.

[Feba]

Re: Drama and criticism from 5th Aniversery thread

huh, I thought JeanRC left awhile ago. Anyway, I agree, this thread serves no purpose but to cause fights, it might as well be closed. Any valid opinions in this thread have been defeated by people yelling back and forth over their e-peens.

[Taskmage]

Re: FFXI Fifth Aniversery

ok just stop it right here. stop with the drama, stop with the bitching. if you want to hold a grudge over someone, do it in PMs. next person to start drama in this thread will get slapped with a warning.

Quoted for emphasis. Don't. I really don't like giving out warnings and tend to let people get away with a lot, but as far as this thread is concerned it's zero tolerance from here on in.

Now I kept this thread because there's obviously there's something that needs to be discussed here. Whenever a thread gets this nasty there usually is. People are concerned with the relatively light mod presence lately and some feel that the quality of the site is going down. I'd like to determine how much if an issue this is.

I'm not really sure what happened here. I personally haven't been around nearly as much as I used to because of a new job that I'm still trying to figure out how to schedule my FFXI life around. The last time I saw the thread it still only had one page, there was some unnecessary off-topic posting that bordered on spam but nothing that I felt really deserved a warning. I figured that topic would get boring and die soon enough and let the actual anniversary discussion start. I'm pretty laissez-faire about moderating and usually it works out because our membership as a whole is pretty responsible.

This is what I'm wondering .. do you think the mods should be stricter about enforcing our standards on off-topic, inflammatory or crude posts?

I usually let this stuff slide unless it gets really out of hand. It seems to me that certain members take this as a license to be as crude or insulting as they want and then they're pissed off when they get warned for it because it never got them in trouble before. Myself, I don't really want to be a nazi going around warning every 4-letter word and pulling out the flame-o-meter to see if this insulting-looking sentence is a friendly jab, acceptable criticism, or something I should put the smackdown on. If I have to I will, but unless that's deemed necessary I won't.

[Eohmer]

Re: FFXI Fifth Aniversery

This is what I'm wondering .. do you think the mods should be stricter about enforcing our standards on off-topic, inflammatory or crude posts?

Yeah, I'd say so...

Basically.. one person said they translated text with babelfish... another person yelled at him for using babelfish. :-P

[Feba]

Re: Drama and criticism from 5th Aniversery thread

My opinion on the matter would be to make more mods (out of your power, I know), and to keep threads civil. Such as, making a single comment that could be perceived as rude is fine, replying to it is fine, but derailing a thread over it is not. Take this situation:

A: Should I be a PLD or a NIN?
B: NINs suck, play PLD.
C: Are you an idiot? Have you ever SEEN utsusemi?
B: NINs aren't meant to be tanks. PLD is awesome with hate too.
D: NINs *are* tanks though, so you can't say they're not good because of that. Personally, I like PLD, but go with what you enjoy more.
C: NINs are good with hate too, better than PLDs in same cases

Then even though B and C could both be perceived as rude, take no action.

In this situation:

A: Hi, should I play PLD or NIN?
B: PLD is awesome, play that
C: B, PLD is alright, but it's nothing compared to a ninja tank, what with Utsusemi and the Ni Wheel
B: PLD can beat any ninja if the player is good enough, just because you only play with crappy players doesn't mean that NIN is better
C: Are you braindead? PLD takes much less effort to play than NIN. PLD just has to voke and flash, a NIN has to voke, cast utsusemi, throw shuriken, and cast enfeebles to hold hate!
B: PLD 'only' vokes and flashes if the person 'only' is a crappy player.

Then warn B and C. Of course, if B is arguing with C and C is being polite, then warn only B, and vice versa.

[Eohmer]

Re: Drama and criticism from 5th Aniversery thread

Not all mods will think exactly the same thing, nor should they follow how one person thinks they should do their job.

[Taskmage]

Re: Drama and criticism from 5th Aniversery thread

Nice emulated flaming there ..

I actually made a recommendation for a new mod before this mess, but it's up to the admins to decide if we need another and whether that person is right.

Really I think it's been pretty quiet around here, with this one exception. Of course, I haven't really been around much either so maybe the threads needing moderation just haven't been the ones I've been reading. Which brings up another good point. If you see a thread taking a downward turn, report a post and explain the problem. The more people do that, the easier it is for us to put our attention where it's needed.

Not all mods will think exactly the same thing, nor should they follow how one person thinks they should do their job.

I take advice as just that.

[Feba]

Re: Drama and criticism from 5th Aniversery thread

I'm not saying mods should follow what I think, Taskmage said "do you think[...]?", and I answered his question.

Taskmage is right, it is very quiet around here. We get anything close to an argument what, once every week or two? That's pretty good compared to any other major forum.

[Vyuru]

Re: Drama and criticism from 5th Aniversery thread

This is what I'm wondering .. do you think the mods should be stricter about enforcing our standards on off-topic, inflammatory or crude posts?

In general, I think mods should pay a little more attention to inflammatory posts. Off topic posting, so long as it's not too off topic, is fine IMO and can actually lead to some very interesting discussions. I haven't seen any posts that I would consider crude so I'd say you guys are doing a fine job there.

For instance with this thread, I think Feba came across rather strongly shall we say, and he could have used more tact. Granted, I don't know what this Babelfish is, but if it provides an accurate translation I fail to see what is wrong with it.

P.S

Whatever happened to IceMage, and wasn't there another mod who commonly posted as well?

[Eohmer]

Re: Drama and criticism from 5th Aniversery thread

Granted, I don't know what this Babelfish is...

It's basically a website that translates for you.

[Akashimo]

Re: Drama and criticism from 5th Aniversery thread

It's basically a website that translates for you.

You broke my bablefish.

[Feba]

Re: Drama and criticism from 5th Aniversery thread

To put my statements (which I still stand by) in perspective, translating Eohmer's post to japanese and back in babelfish, it becomes

Web sight the fact that it translates because of you is the basis.

Which is hardly more useful than it would be in kanji.

Taking your first paragraph:

In general, I think mods should pay a little more attention to inflammatory posts. Off topic posting, so long as it's not too off topic, is fine IMO and can actually lead to some very interesting discussions. I haven't seen any posts that I would consider crude so I'd say you guys are doing a fine job there.

Translating it to Japanese and back:

You think of that with the leader, as for me mods should pay attention to the inflammation characteristic post a little more. Separated from the contribution of the topic if excessively it is not separated from the topic, as for good IMO it is, certain really to lead to very interesting argument it is possible thing. As for me turning the person good work to there I consider the crude oil and did not look at the thing post which therefore I say.

And with:

For instance with this thread, I think Feba came across rather strongly shall we say, and he could have used more tact. Granted, I don't know what this Babelfish is, but if it provides an accurate translation I fail to see what is wrong with it.

it becomes:

For example this thread and, I say Feba us somewhat strongly to come, you think of that perhaps he used many tact. Being permitted, as for me that those which by mistake are is this Babelfish, when accurate translation me is offered, seeing, those which is not good you do not know.

Thus it's rather apparent why I consider babelfishing instead of actually translating very rude.

Hell, if you look, your statement went from saying I could've used more tact to saying I used 'many tact', which completely changes the meaning of what you said.

[Taskmage]

Re: Drama and criticism from 5th Aniversery thread

Yeah babelfish and google translations are pretty terrible, especially going between eastern and western languages. I wouldn't go so far as "rude." It was a weak attempt and not really helpful but at least he tried.

I think the reaction was excessive, but not really that bad in itself. But then add the reaction to the reaction, and the reactions to the two of you reacting to eachother and the whole thread spiraled out of control.

I say Feba us somewhat strongly to come

(tee hee)

[Feba]

Re: Drama and criticism from 5th Aniversery thread

(tee hee)

yeah, that would've been funny, IF I WERE FIFTEEN YEARS OLD.


I've been Sixteen two months now, I'm *way* beyond that.

[Mhurron]

Re: Drama and criticism from 5th Aniversery thread

To put my statements (which I still stand by)

And I stand by my assertation that Feba was hit in the head.