Before locking up threads ...

[sdillon]

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Agreed, unfortunately you have to surf through the mountains of crap to find the useful informatin. Alla is useful for the data itself, and occasionally someone's posts. Usually its someone asking a question followed by a few hundred smartass replies with no relevance whatsoever. Yes there are good posters on both forums. Unfortunately they are overrun with morons who like to simply troll around being jackasses.
I think KI's flame wars section was just a bad idea. It lets people know that it its tolerable, so it easily spills over into the rest of the forums.
The mods here try hard, do their best to be fair, and the way I see it, do one hell of a job keeping things civil.

/agrees with this post absolutely. I started checking Alla in January or so because a friend linked to an information post for COP missions... that was sadly followed by 6-7 pages of insults, name calling, chuck norris jokes (huh???????), and my most favorite pet peeve of ALLA is "you suck/you're lame" responses to any type of "I cant do this, how do I do it?" type questions.... /sigh. I seriously have NO COMPLAINTS about allakhazam, their database is a GODSEND, just that their forums and forumtiquette is 'nothing' compared to how ffxionline.com is run.

Now, don't mistake me, there's a fair share of trolling and weird comments on this forum as well. Why post a message just to say "man you're lame"..... I still don't understand when people do that, but I can thankfully say there is 5 names I can think off in this forum that do this, as opposed to pages and pages and pages of 'rate down pwnzors/you suck/you're lame' responses on Alla.

But if we're comparing all forums... I think I fear BG the most ; ; (sorry to BG fans. but I cannot take the callous way of talking and sarcasm in every single post and the total lack of 'niceness') but I realize that BG has its own style and their readers are perfectly happy with the freedom they have there, so I will not visit BG frequently, my choice.

So if you trulyyyyyyy dislike ffxionline.com's moderation method (which a lot of us are grateful for), perhaps it's best to find a forum that best fits your needs, as majority of us here do not wish to change how moderation is done here.

For the Jihad thread, I am Muslim and Jihad has a REALLY personal meaning in my life. Though I was not offended as I truly believe that others have the right to act/do as they wish as I have the right to react/act as I wish, I still felt that the Moderators should have mentioned the usage of that name which they did, kudos to that. My personal choice, I saw the name of the thread, read it on the first day it was posted to see why Jihad was used. Realized that it had nothing to do with any kind of Jihad in any way that I saw it and decided to no longer follow the thread.

Remember, you will always have the choice to do, not do, read, ignore or anything of a sort. I applaud some posters on this thread who spoke up and mention how they feel and thus giving a chance for the opposition to say what they think as well.

/endlongwinded ><;;

[Icemage]

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I don't use KI so I can't really comment on that forum, however, I have been a member of Allakhazam for seven years. When you've been around as long as they have, and have contributed as much information and encouraged, not censored, constructive discussion across so many games including Everquest, FFXI, WoW, Lineage2, and Dark Ages of Camelot then maybe you can even come close to criticising them. Until then, I suggest you button it and recognise your place.

I've been participating in online forums before people even knew there was such a thing called the Internet (1987), so please don't pull the "oh they've been around forever" card. My online experience predates them by many years.

You're welcome to your opinion, but while I agree there are definitely good posters there and certainly some good posts and information, the information is (a) not always accurate, (b) sometimes gets drowned out by the noise, and (c) not always consistent across all topics. Granted, it has improved with time, as the player base gets somewhat older and more mature, but it's still a roulette spin as to what sort of information people come away with in threads there.

Take this thread for instance (off the front page of the allakhazam FFXI main forum):
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...num=192;page=1

(Apologies to anyone who successfully wades through that mess of a thread, but it's an example of what I'm talking about)


Icemage

[Caspian]

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(Apologies to anyone who successfully wades through that mess of a thread, but it's an example of what I'm talking about)

{Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.}
This is the kind of crap that pisses me off. The incessant bitching that just goes on and on forever. I know ffxio isn't immune, its the same shit that was on the ranger forum last summer after the nerf. Atleast that was shortlived though. It never seems to end on other boards.

[Grizzlebeard]

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Take this thread for instance (off the front page of the allakhazam FFXI main forum):
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...num=192;page=1

Or this one for example which puts the craft threads on this board to shame.

Whilst I can understand people can have an aversion to the guff some of the people on those forums post the same can be said of these forums in as much as they're very one-sided to the point of being fanboi'ish in certain instances.

Oh, and TGM, with reference to:

So keep the flaming out of the discussion.

My comment was sparked by following quote which I found to be inflammatory:

KI and Alla serve a very useful purpose - they are the dumping grounds for the people who can't be civilized enough to post here and at other good forums.

I, and many friends, post on Alla. Are we uncivilized? Do we belong in a, "dumping ground"? Is Allakhazam not a, "good" forum?

If you're going to enforce rules please make sure they don't just apply to regular posters with the exclusion of yourself and fellow moderators. If anything, you should lead the example.

[Taskmage]

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I read far enough (skipping posts with excessive use of caps, no carriage returns, or multiple [quotes] - it went pretty fast that way) to see that the OP pissed off his CoP static by stating that he only liked 2-3 of them, lost most of his friends as a result which ruined the game for him, and only made the thread to get a rise out of people. I consider the point to be made.

Despite skipping most of the flamage, I still have a wreck of a headache now. Keep your apologies, I demand reparations.

Double Post Edited:

KI and Alla serve a very useful purpose - they are the dumping grounds for the people who can't be civilized enough to post here and at other good forums.

This statement makes no generalizations to the effect that all posters on KI and alla are uncivilized or what have you. Clearly there are good posters there, however they are inundated by throngs of the worst forum stereotypes, whom Icemage was referring to. No, for the reasons mentioned I do not consider Alla to be a "good" forum, at least what I've seen of the FFXI area. A few bad apples ruin the bunch, not the other way around.

[Icemage]

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I apologize if my point wasn't made clearly enough, but I did not mean to imply that *all* members of KI and Allakhazam are uncivilized (note that I chose my wording very carefully to avoid just such a misunderstanding, but it appears to have happened anyhow).

However, I do think that the (many) people who end up getting banned from here and other forums eventually wind up at places like KI (and to a lesser extent, Allakhazam) because their behavior is tolerated there, and the degradation in signal-to-noise on those forums is an indirect result of that migration.

By that measurement, I don't consider Allakhazam to be a "good" forum. It's too hard to find what you need if it isn't in the database, and there's way too much drama attached to even simple requests.


Icemage

[Jei]

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I kinda have been following this thread for a little while now since it's in my server's forum.
http://killingifrit.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=113030&d=0
I found 70% of the replies to be ok. it's the other 30% tho that are so persistent and never listen to others... I don't know, it's both emusing and annoying at the same time. strange mix of feelings.

[fastcart]

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My comment was sparked by following quote which I found to be inflammatory:

I, and many friends, post on Alla. Are we uncivilized? Do we belong in a, "dumping ground"? Is Allakhazam not a, "good" forum?

If you're going to enforce rules please make sure they don't just apply to regular posters with the exclusion of yourself and fellow moderators. If anything, you should lead the example.

Come on... Icemage didn't meant what he said as a flame or personal attack against you or your friends. He wasn't even referring to anyone in general. As he stated, he was referrring to troublemakers. If you don't consider yourself "uncivilized," then why atack him for that opinion?

That's the major distinction.

[TheGrandMom]

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Oh, and TGM, with reference to:



My comment was sparked by following quote which I found to be inflammatory:



I, and many friends, post on Alla. Are we uncivilized? Do we belong in a, "dumping ground"? Is Allakhazam not a, "good" forum?

If you're going to enforce rules please make sure they don't just apply to regular posters with the exclusion of yourself and fellow moderators. If anything, you should lead the example.

That comment was not a personal flame to anyone but yours was. It was his opinion and he is entitled to it.

[Kagerou]

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Most of KI threads are actually civilized until the 6-10 ppl who rules flame wars come in.
Then it turns into derailment+drama.

[Siber]

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That comment was not a personal flame to anyone but yours was. It was his opinion and he is entitled to it.

I'm not saying anything about anyone specific or anything, but I think those who make sandwiches best should be barefoot and pregnant. Just my opinion, that's all.

[neighbortaru]

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um, what the heck does that have to do with the current discussion Siber?

or are you just trying to get a rise out of the female population that reads these forums? that's a bit childish, no?

[Siber]

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um, what the heck does that have to do with the current discussion Siber?

or are you just trying to get a rise out of the female population that reads these forums? that's a bit childish, no?

Since when did people start teaching them to read?

[Taskmage]

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He was crassly making a point. It wasn't a personal flame, he was just stating an opinion. Albiet an incredibly offensive one.

[neighbortaru]

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ok anyone who wants to flame Siber for his opinion take it to PMs (unless you want us to lock this thread as well).