Solution to HNM Drama....maybe...

[Rodin]

I have an Idea for a solution to all of the drama of HNMs and the such. Many of you who are 70+ will probably have issues with this, because of how hard you've had to work, but this is a good solution IMO.It would be with the Rare/Ex gear that drops from some HNMs that some of us will probably try to get, but never succeed. This is for the people who don'th have enough time to have an HNMLS.

Expeditionary forces:

Make them hard to do, and pop an NM at then end. Upon completion of this EF, you'll earn a choice of gil, CP, or EP (expeditionary points) as a reward. I'm thinking that when you accumulate enough points, you can spend them on abjurations and the such. Make the points a high number, but not too high. You could also have weapons like the Ridill drop. Think of it this way, would you rather do....say 50 EFs to get an abjuration, or fight an NM you'll probably never get to claim? Just my two cents. And I haven't thought it all the way through. Please post your (constructive) criticism.

[Awntawn]

yare yare :x

here we'll see people who lose all the time scream "it's a great idea, but it's never gonna happen and the game's gay like that." the people who have won, or at least have seen enough to know that it is possible to win will either flame your or say something like this:

in all honesty, rather than sitting there complaining and thinking of alternative methods that are never gonna happen, why don't you try to look for ways to get HNM claims :3 it's possible, you just have to know certain things and most of all, NOT walk in thinking "everyone's haxxing, has lower ping than us and there's no way we can win." with this mentality, you won't accomplish anything anywhere, even in real life.

also, do remember that even though it may seem like a downhill battle for some, others are getting things. some paying customers actually are benefitting from the current system. abjuration armors are ra/ex, so different people ARE constantly getting the rare items... granted they may be in the same LS, to SEx they are seperate paying customers, and therefore they have no reason to change the way things are going.

pulling is as important as anything. if pulling took no skill, you wouldn't see the same people winning repeatedly. if your LS has no decent pullers, think of it as like missing another important job like bard or whm.

as for the drama issue...

HNMs have barely anything to do with it. It's found anywhere that people are seen, and since HNMs involve large groups of people interacting with each other, it's noticeable there. but look here ... phantom worm can hardly be called an HNM, yet witness the drama :3 If it's drama you're worried about, you can't solve it. Not where there's people.

just a few cents worth from what i've seen from time ingame as well as time away

edit: if you think about it, in a way, most of the hard-to-get items actually have been replaced. between AF2 and JSE and various others, there are plenty of alternative equipments out there now available away from the HNM field... only a select few like adaman hauberk or some koenig pieces still remain statistically superior, tho not by any uber significant amount (except koenig, but seriously you don't NEED full koenig to do anything). However, 80% of the reason why people want them so badly is because they are so difficult to acquire. it is because not everyone can get it which is why having it would be so special. If alternate ways to get them were introduced, then it would defeat the whole purpose. Look at noble's tunic, scorpion harness, or heck even verm. Hell, hauberk/geon for that matter. Every other 75 job has at least one of them now, and nobody gives a crap about them now. it just makes it worse for the people who still can't get them.

there has to be a few items in the game that remain out of the reach, for certain periods of time, of not so hardcore players. if that weren't the case, the hardcore players would bore of the game and quit.

ok i'm done for real now orz

[Nodachi]

What Awntawn said is so, so true lol. I'd put money that's how the two sides would resond. I'm a bit indifferent. I see the flaws with the current system, but on the same hand i dont' feel it's all against me, or others.

I do wish things were all somehow forced pops. Or turn based. Sort of like dynamis. Cause then instead of testing both pulling and fighting skills, you can just focus on fighting and stratagies. This would also garauntee everyone has equal opportunity at mobs, regardless of timezones, and pulling 'ability'.

And sadly, the majority of 'HNM Drama' i see, isn't between two or more LSs, but rather stems from problems within a LS lol.

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

heh what about the boring 3 hours waiting for the hnm to pop or getting the tod or so
im sorry but people who dont mind waiting for hnm to pop and move from hnm to hnm and wait each hnm hours to pop there life is just boring or maybe got nothing to doin real life? really..

i can understand people campin for week or 2 but after it its just stupid in like 6 hours my ls can kill like 10 gods+3 kirin while with ground hnms you get a chance to see 2 hnm pop which you may lost easy :p plus you cant pop the hnm whenever you want im just waiting for skyII gods then enjoy the time killing something i dont hve to worry waiting 3 hours or fuking spamming provoke to get it XD

just fix the current ground hnm system cuz its {worthwhile} for people who got a life atleast

[Awntawn]

Originally posted by l)@RK-l)EVIL
just fix the current ground hnm system cuz its {worthwhile} for people who got a life atleast

well then, that wouldn't be fair to the people who have no life then would it? ;p

no life or not, someone who plays the game for 16 hours a day damn well SHOULD deserve more IN-GAME stuff than someone who plays only 6 hours a day.

[Rodin]

Four replies and no flames yet, you guys are doing good. ^^

Also, about the whole "life vs. no life" thing. Some people may want to play teh game 16 hours a day, but have no chance. They have jobs, extracirricular activites, and the such....why should they have to suffer because of things they can't change?

[Xuande]

I'm not going to agree or disagree with anything in this thread because I think it's retarded.

However, saying "nothing is ever going to change" is awfully short sighted. How many Hauberks were there before damascus ingot dropped from BCs? Like, I don't know, 3 maybe? Who knows how much gil/time the people back then paid to get their hands on one only to have it added to a BC drop in a later patch? How do you think they feel? Is their "I'm the best" attitude any reason for Square not to make godly things easier to get? "I spent months camping Simurgh to get a Damascus ingot, there's no way in hell they'll ever change how to get one!"

Whoops.

If there's anything for certain, you can only quote what Square has said from the beginning: the game is made so that time investment diminishes over the long run, so that people with less time can enjoy play (i.e. everything you own will lose its value)

Anything else is false hope from someone who has spent too much time on this crappy game.

It might take months or years, but there will eventually be other means to obtain godly gear in this game. Denying this only means you haven't played for very long.

[Ara]

http://www.theorderls.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2393

[Awntawn]

Originally posted by Rodin
Also, about the whole "life vs. no life" thing. Some people may want to play teh game 16 hours a day, but have no chance. They have jobs, extracirricular activites, and the such....why should they have to suffer because of things they can't change?

a lot of people may want to play pro sports in the NFL or NBA as well, but also have no chance. why should they have to suffer because they're physically inferior? /poor rhetorical question XD

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

Originally posted by Awntawn
well then, that wouldn't be fair to the people who have no life then would it? ;p

no life or not, someone who plays the game for 16 hours a day damn well SHOULD deserve more IN-GAME stuff than someone who plays only 6 hours a day.

and what about people who play few hours and they are the highest % playing the game SE give us shit when its about ground hnms the current system is more like GROUND HNMS HAJINS ONLY

oh well lets just wait and hope for second tulia soon maybe enjoy our time there while people fighting to claim fafnir :sweat:

[Pillow]

Dunno about you guys...but the game would seem kinda boring if every second PLD was running around in full koenig and every mage had a dalmatica....

[Jei]

Awntawn - that link is so freaking funny and sad at the same time I don't know if i should laugh or cry ; ;

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

Originally posted by Pillow
Dunno about you guys...but the game would seem kinda boring if every second PLD was running around in full koenig and every mage had a dalmatica....

not all people care about the gear #1 in the game
some people just want to kill this hnms for fun and this hnms is limted they should add more hnms worthy hnms~ cuz fighting roc-serket and those baby hnms isnt fun like fighting something like nidhogg oe king behe :dead:

[Pillow]

Originally posted by l)@RK-l)EVIL
not all people care about the gear #1 in the game
some people just want to kill this hnms for fun and this hnms is limted they should add more hnms worthy hnms~ cuz fighting roc-serket and those baby hnms isnt fun like fighting something like nidhogg oe king behe :dead:

Ok ill say it differently;

How boring is the game going to get if theres no competition and we just kill the same stuff every day over and over? :\ we wont be gaining anything new, after awhile we will have everything..

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

Originally posted by Pillow
Ok ill say it differently;

How boring is the game going to get if theres no competition and we just kill the same stuff every day over and over? :\ we wont be gaining anything new, after awhile we will have everything..

even though ragnarok known is the most hardcore server do you see everyone and his mother got kirin osode and crimson legs? and there is no competition for kirin i only said fix current hnm system that wont mean you can kill the same hnm every day

no competition doesnt mean after a while you "we" will have everything and when i say we i mean every member at ls not only me
with current hnm system "we" can never get everything even after million year with the current "competition" and hnm way

ffxi hnm = who got the better bot
it should be about skill people who got enough power/skill should be able to kill the hnm so they deserve what they get

and people who not skilled enough wont be able to kill the hnm