Just out of pure curiosity for you long-time players. [Regarding nerfs]

[Deedlit]

The fuidama nerf was the end of last year, and is considered to be the biggest of all the nerfs. Even if something was in place for 6 months that made leveling easier, (which I have been told, fuidama did, PLDs NEVER lost agro with a thf in the PT) that's all the time you need to get to 75 for many people.

But really, the majority of you people took my comment way out of perspective. It was simply to say, wow, must have been fun leveling back then before all the nerfs. I wouldn't mind endlessly chaining #5 myself, though people said in previous posts that is hard now with fuidama/ballad/tp nerfs. Got it?

[Cedric]

Ummm, the fuidama nerf wasn't the biggest nerf ever...

Once again, I repeat, the ballad regen was barely of any effect since people there was like what, 5% of the player base that actually got to use ballad2 before it was changed? Also, no refresh regen dispel convert etc, it just combined rdm and brd into one job.

The TP thing offset the fact that half the melees hit once every 5 gazillion seconds for 5% tp. Only people that benefited from the tp thing was tanks, who normally did less damage than the rest of the pt anyways.

Ummm...fuidama wasn't amazing, it didn't do 8 trillion damage bonus or anything. All it did was give hate to one consistent tank. If fuidama was the make or break for your pt, then go play another game.

[Celeras]

Originally posted by Deedlit
You're gonna tell me exp is quicker now, when gaining TP is slower than it used to be, among other things?

Lets say it again.

- No EXP chains at all.
- No dispel. Forget about fighting tote2 crabs//beetles//crawlers effectively.
- No Refresh, no convert, rdm's were useless.
- No leaders who have 'done it all before'. When a cap was lifted, it was lifted for EVERYONE. We had to figure out what was good by trial and error. You take it for granted that you know XX place is good for XX levels, then you have to move on to XX place.

To answer: Yes.

Originally posted by Deedlit
I wouldn't mind endlessly chaining #5 myself

Can't read? THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS A CHAIN! Chains came MUCH later. Stop talking about things you didn't experience and have no idea about whatsoever.

Originally posted by anavrin
Please stop being gay, the game is 10x easier now.
You have no argument against it. The end.

[Deedlit]

Originally posted by StarvingArtist
I miss the times when Bard's Ballads refreshed alot more MP, Ballad+BalladII = unlimited MP and non-stop chains. 5-chain, 5-chain, 5-chain, 5-chain...

Then go complain to the mod, not me. Seems like you're the one who can't read.

[Celeras]

Originally posted by Deedlit


Then go complain to the mod, not me. Seems like you're the one who can't read.

Are you moronic? All nerfs didn't happen at the same time genius. Chains were added months into the game, and then ballad was nerfed a few months later.

And for the record, even the time when these 2 things overlaped wasn't that good. What Estya failed to mention is that most 5 chains didnt exceed 150xp in those days. You chained tuyo and tote, because it was impossible to even get more than a 1 chain on tote2

I like how you ignored my entire post to quote someone else because you have no answer to it. Go fight fenrir at level 53 and stop talking about things you don't know about. All your doing is going by what you've HEARD. I've HEARD this, and HEARD that. You think you know, but you have no idea.

[Deedlit]

/em tosses Celeras a valium. Um, k.

Note to all NA's out there: Please underestand that jp's and importers expect us to be psychic, and should be scholars on how FFXI was 2 years ago. Because, obviously, we can't believe what they claim. That is all.

oh, and trust me Celeras - even though this has NOTHING to do with the subject matter, but you seem fascinated by it anyway - if someone offered me to get Fenrir tonight, you can bet I'd go along for it. Its amazing the amount of name-calling that goes on at this forum, yet seeing as there's no repurcussions in game, I can laugh about it.

[anavrin]

For boner's sake, the game was harder 2 years ago. This is a fact.
Please stop trying to argue the fact. (It is a fact.)

The game is easier now.

kthxbye.

[Celeras]

Originally posted by Deedlit
/em tosses Celeras a valium. Um, k.

Note to all NA's out there: Please underestand that jp's and importers expect us to be psychic, and should be scholars on how FFXI was 2 years ago. Because, obviously, we can't believe what they claim. That is all.

Oh will you shutup. Wtf goes through your mind when you come into a thread that SPECIFICALLY asks for long-time players.

"Hmm, i didnt play back then and have no idea what it was like.. but I can still ass-u-me this and state an opinion that makes me look better!"

/points to Anavrin's post.

If you can't get the picture from that, you don't deserve to be operating a PC.

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[Lan'Urk]

You know thats what gives us NA a bad name out there.

This attitude, I know it all because a played EQ for 1million years... guess what you dont... and stop arguing of what you do not know. know your place in the society and get your experience from FFXI not some other game that no one here cares about, then you can argue with more experienced player. i dont know how 5 year of some random game experience = to 2 years FFXI experience. you could clearly see that on the first day of NA PC, all those EQ veterans making alliances to kill sheep in valk... quite a pathetic sight....

Now drop the arrogance and earn your way up to the experienced player status. Thats why the JP excelled so much in this game, cuz they dont pull this crap... since FFXI is pretty much their First big online RPG.

~Lanurk

[Deedlit]

Someone please put a warning to all other people othere: PLEASE NOTE - this site is overrun with elitist importers, don't post anything as everything you say will be automatically flamed.

Urk-whatever, I said, and I quote "I've played several MMORPGs that function the same way as FFXI for over 5 years - but you don't see me being an elitist." Because I never claimed to know ANYTHING about what the nerfs were - the importers/whoever were the ones posting, and I was going by what they said, assuming they knew what they were talking about - please refer to the first few pages. If this was a topic about EQ, the I could give you an earful.

Seriously, if all your importers hate your fellow NAs and love jps - great! Go move there. You're obviously not helping us out any.

Anavrin, please take 10 minutes of your time and actually read my posts, AND the ones prior to it. You will see where I came to my deductions. If I'm wrong, blame it on poor information sources in this thread.

Celeras, I won't shut up - especially with your disrespectful attitude. If this thread was meant to only be read/commented on by long-time players, put it in a forum where only long-time players have access. Oh, and if you have something to say to me, please do - writing JP gibberish to an NA accomplishes nothing except showing cowardice.

[Celeras]

Importers have told you that you were wrong, you continue to argue.

NA comes in and tells you that YOU are the type person that gives NA a bad name, talking about things you never even experienced. You continue to argue.

One of the most esteemed and respected mods on the forum comes and LISTS NUMEROUS reasons why you are wrong, you continue to argue.

I think its save to say we're all done with you. Keep talking like you know what your talking about, everyone else, simply click here.

[Deedlit]

Celeras that valium kicked in yet? Point me to this mod that pointed me out wrong, I fail to see anything targetted at me.

Even better is that people are arguing, supposedly with me, over a point that I didn't make. Again, for the last time, cause honestly, I have better things to be doing than wasting my time on you - The "nerfs" that I mentioned, IMO (god forbid anyone have an opinion on this board), sounds like it made getting exp back then (when refresh/chaining was possible) easier than now. It's an opinion, I left it at that, and people wanted to refute it - so /shrug, go ahead. If someone claimed I was wrong without an attitude and with justifiable evidence, it wasn't in this thread. I only replied when I noticed that celerass here wanted to somehow include how since I'm a supposed leech (yes, everyone, I admit - someone OFFERED ME HELP! OMG, shoot me now for not /shouting in jeuno for help, but accepting it from a friend!) that I can't have an opinion on something.

Guess what Celeras. I live in the USA, pay taxes here, and ENJOY paying taxes to live in such a wonderful country. I can speak my mind where I damn well please, assuming I'm not conspiring to overthrow the government. If you have an intelligent response, please reply and we'll have a friendly banter, and maybe one or the other of us will learn something (isn't that the point of these forums?). If all you want to do is bait people and attempt to piss people off - that's fine too, but don't expect a friendly response.

[Celeras]

Originally posted by Jonnyram


Oh come on. Anti NA-sentiment is one thing, but to respond with anti-importer stuff is just asking for flames.

Extra things have been constantly added to the game, and as you can see, not a huge amount of nerfs have taken place. I guess THF, BRD and BST are the biggest, because the jobs were overpowered compared to everything else, while other jobs have just been souped up constantly.

How was the game easier?
- without exp chains
- without magic burst
- without MGS
- without reraise
- without regen
- without refresh
- without convert
- without smn/sam/drg/nin
- without pimp equipment
- with broken bar-spells
- with less bards & rangers than there are now (and that's saying a lot!)

...and I'm just talking from a mage's point of view. Lots of stuff was added for melees too.

Above all else, the main reason it's easier now is because there are literally hundreds of sites out there with comprehensive information about how and where to level up, what skillchains to use, what weaknesses enemies have and how to obtain cool equipment. 2 years ago, people didn't even eat food like they do today. You've got 2 year old economies to thank for a lot of things nowadays.

P.S. This is not a pissing contest. The game has changed for the better, you don't really think Square-Enix would try to make the game harder, do you?

"the main reason it's easier now.."
"..you don't really think Square-Enix would try to make the game harder.."
The entire list, all for you.. hell he even quoted you before he started. Like I said, done.

Thought of another nerf, one of my favorites, not sure if it was mentioned yet. Anyone remember when Serkets area attack would hit ALL of garliage? Haha that was incredible, everytime someone tryed to fight him, it would wipe out all of the low level parties leveling on the top floor.

[Cedric]

They also added spawn positions so bats can appear on the large mound in basement garlaige. No more level 1 taru dash to stare at serket from the mound. :sweat:

[Deedlit]

Originally posted by Jonnyram


Oh come on. Anti NA-sentiment is one thing, but to respond with anti-importer stuff is just asking for flames.

I tend to discount posts that start like that as anything intended to be useful, as it is highly offensive to non-importers, especially coming from a mod. That aside, he pointed out some of the better things that has happened in the game since then - he never claimed that what I said was wrong, just gave a different perspective on it. And that's fine - aside from the little annoying jibe, it's a perfectly good argument.

Now Celeras, can you PLEASE follow your own advice and put me on ignore - I know I'm tired of hearing your whining.