Important Notices

[Mezlo]

Re: Important Notices

And you still get Gravity Bow.

Ok, so I'd get gravity bow at level 4, but that would mean for what 4 sessions I wouldve had gimped damage without it. Also at level 4 I'd only have 1 chance to cast it and it would only last 1 minute. That's VERY limited and short... {too weak}

[Yygdrasil]

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We'll see. And whats this prestige class you're planning to take? You're aware that prestige classes are limited to the base ones listed in the Players Manual right? It has been that way since Day 1.

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You don't get it... and that's fine. You'll figure it out later.

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Ok, so I'd get gravity bow at level 4, but that would mean for what 4 sessions I would've had gimped damage without it. Also at level 4 I'd only have 1 chance to cast it and it would only last 1 minute. That's VERY limited and short... {too weak}

Your caster level would be 2. So 2 minutes. Given that it's not even technically a spell you should have as a Wizard, you really shouldn't be complaining. I granted you special access to that spell if you remember. Typically you wouldn't have it at all since it's only accessible through the extended rules in the Advanced guide.

[Mezlo]

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You said glass cannon. I have more HP than Fire, and have a standard AC of 18 (which i believe is up there with the rest of the party if not ahead of some), with shield it would be 22 (which would give me the best AC in the party.) I dont know why you like to complain about me so much, but you do and it's LOL. Especially when I'm one of the best DD's in the party, plus have spells that can make me versatile in different situations. Remember me throwing my voice into the smoke cloud which caused the mobs to run into the smoke that gave us time to run away?

The prestige class is Eldritch Knight which is an eligible prestige class. I'll be able to gain spell casting levels with each level and gain massive gains in BAB, saving throws, well, basically you pointed out i was missing my not taking ranger. and what you dont realize is that I WILL be taking a level in ranger (more than likely) which would give me proficiency in martial weapons which is necessary for eldritch knight...

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Your caster level would be 2. So 2 minutes.

No at level 5, you get 1 spell as a ranger so it would be caster level 1 so 1 minute.

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Given that it's not even technically a spell you should have as a Wizard, you really shouldn't be complaining. I granted you special access to that spell if you remember. Typically you wouldn't have it at all since it's only accessible through the extended rules in the Advanced guide.

And no, gravity bow is a level 1 wizard spell in pathfinder.

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Ok, so I'd get gravity bow at level 4

I misspoke here, ranger cant cast spells until level 5. at level 5 they get a level 1 spell to cast, not level 4...

[Yygdrasil]

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Eldrich knight? Get working on those Weapon Proficiency Feats.

[Mezlo]

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Eldrich knight? Get working on those Weapon Proficiency Feats.

I just need 1 rank in ranger which will also get me +1BAB, more saves, favored enemy (probably human), track, and wild empathy

[Yygdrasil]

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Rangers get access to level 0 spells at level 4. Meaning that at level 5 you have become a second level caster. 2 levels.

Gravity Bow is classified as an advanced spell and located in the Advanced Players Guide for Pathfinder. I granted you access to it despite not granting anyone else access to expansion related material. It's a Level 1 Wizard spell yes... but not a base level 1 spell.

[Mezlo]

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The coolect thing about Eldritch Knight is once i get to level 10 (you said you had enough material for that), I'll have extended my crit range on heavy cross bow to 17-20, which means I'd have a 20% chance to score a crti hit, and when i do, I can cast ANY SPELL AS A SWIFT ACTION. That my friend, is fucking epic.

[Yygdrasil]

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Fair enough on the 1 level in Ranger. I didn't notice the innate proficiency that Pathfinder added to the class.

[Mezlo]

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I love how you love to argue with me about my character, LOL...

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Fair enough on the 1 level in Ranger. I didn't notice the innate proficiency that Pathfinder added to the class.

Since we've been talking in this thread today, there seems to be ALOT of things you didn't notice... Well, I'm leaving work for the day, have a good night, it's been real as always... I'll see you guys tomorrow around 9pm EST it looks like.

[cidbahamut]

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Good sweet jesus Pathfinder nerfed Wizards.

Metamagic always required higher level spell slots. Wizards are still stupid good anyway.

[Yygdrasil]

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I love how you love to argue with me about my character, LOL...

It's not arguing. It's educating. You'll figure it out soon enough.

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Ugh... and you add to the frustration even more by picking Eldrich Knight when clearly your build benefits more from Arcane Archer.

[Firewind]

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I can't view that character sheet either Yyg, you need to set it to public.

[Armando]

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which means I'd have a 20% chance to score a crti hit

Minor correction: Since you need to confirm the crit, your real chances of crit are 0.2 * (Hit Rate %) if we're only talking about hits that are already confirmed to land. E.g. If you have a 50% hit rate on the enemy, you'll crit on 0.2*0.5 = 10% of the attacks that you successfully land. As your hit rate approaches 5% or 95%, your crit rate will approach 1% or 19% respectively. (If we're talking about your chances to crit on ANY given roll, then it's 0.2 * (HR^2) since you need to both land the hit and confirm the crit.)

Yet another mechanic of questionable value, but since crits play such a minor role, eh.

Just making sure the expectations are in the right place.

Metamagic always required higher level spell slots.

Yeah, that's why I haven't taken 'em yet. I only just got 2nd level spells and I'm always burning them on cures anyways.

[Firewind]

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To be fair there's not a massive benefit to be gained from using metamagic before about 9th level.

And "crit fishing" is something that they improved as a playstyle in 4th edition. There Crits would always cause max damage and you would gain additional damage rolls depending on your enhancement and what bonus is gives.

Let's take a +2 Staff of Cunning and give it to a Lv8 Fighter with 18 Strength (+4). A crit with that would instantly do 8 damage (as Staves have 1d8 for damage) plus half level and Strength to the damage (since those are the damage mods for Strength based attacks) and a further 2d8 damage from the enchantment.

So 16 Automatic damage (8+4+4) and also an additonal 2d8 from that.

They also added a bunch of extra class features for classes that are centred around fishing for a crit. You might have a feat that gives bonus attacks for each crit (really nice for AoE attack) or a class ability that gives hit bonuses or bonus attacks if you crit. On the whole they did handle it a lot better than "Roll 20, try to hit again then end up rolling 1's, doing a crit for 2 damage"

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Quickly adding this: My comment about metamagic feats is speaking strictly from an optimisation point of view. Since you won't really have the spell slots to properly use things like Enlarge and Maximise Spell until after 9th level, it just seems more efficient to grab the feat taxes you need to function and the feats that your build will need before then.

If course it is perfectly possible to use Metamagic feats before 9th level to great effect but it isn't exactly the most efficient use of your very limited at low level spell slots unless you know exactly what you are doing.

[Yygdrasil]

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So everyone will be there at 6, right?

Has anyone seen TM?