Important Notices

[Yygdrasil]

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See this is what I don't get. You cry and cry and cry about being singled out and targeted and then you do this brazen arrogance thing where you say "Bring it on! Challenge the NAW!" or "Yes! Nerf the DAW! He is a threat to us all!" and even better... "We'll see what you come up with next to throw at the Mez... /popcorn"

Dude you can't complain that someone is targeting you and then paint a big red bullseye on your back.

You want me to nerf you? I can nerf you and make everyone else a god with one or 2 small tricks. Will I? Nope. Why? Because I'm not targeting you.

[Mezlo]

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"We'll see what you come up with next to throw at the Mez... /popcorn"

Because it's true.

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You cry and cry and cry about being singled out and targeted

And me voicing my opinion of a change you plan to implement is hardly crying...

[Yygdrasil]

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And me voicing my opinion of a change you plan to implement is hardly crying...

No. You're right. It's not. Taking a chance and firing a crossbow from behind the rogue after being warned about the repercussions... and then complaining that it's not your fault that you killed him. That's crying.

Killing Adam and then arguing that it wasn't your fault until you're blue in the face. That's crying.

Trying to convince me that you can fire an arrow through 100% fog cover and hit a target who has moved since the last time you could actually see him and then complaining that I won't let you. That's crying.

Casting your very first Fireball for low damage and then swearing off fireballs for the rest of your life because your bow is better damage. That's crying.

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Taking personal offense against Cid for trying to bullrush you when he watched you shoot a bolt into the back of Fire's head. That's crying.

Thinking everyone is out to get you and spewing you neurotic theories all over this forum and during the middle if each session. That's crying.

[Mezlo]

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No. You're right. It's not. Taking a chance and firing a crossbow from behind the rogue after being warned about the repercussions... and then complaining that it's not your fault that you killed him. That's crying.

Killing Adam and then arguing that it wasn't your fault until you're blue in the face. That's crying.

Trying to convince me that you can fire an arrow through 100% fog cover and hit a target who has moved since the last time you could actually see him and then complaining that I won't let you. That's crying.

Casting your very first Fireball for low damage and then swearing off fireballs for the rest of your life because your bow is better damage. That's crying.

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Taking personal offense against Cid for trying to bullrush you when he watched you shoot a bolt into the back of Fire's head. That's crying.

Thinking everyone is out to get you and spewing you neurotic theories all over this forum and during the middle if each session. That's crying.

and all of that is an overreaction to what actually happened, lol

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and what neurotic theories do you speak of?

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you know what, it doesn't matter. unless you feel like continuing to attack me and my game play let's just end this and carry on. i won't change my character's game play however because you deemed to change my alignment. I'm going to continue playing exactly how I have been. And this should be fine with you since you think I've been playing from the chaotic / evil alignment anyways.

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and please call or PM me if you'd like to take this conversation further, you critiquing my game play and comments made during game play hardly merits "important notices."

[Firewind]

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Guys, please try to stay on topic. The discussion is "What is Mezlo's alignment and should it really be any different?"

3 points:

1) Mezlo hasn't actually performed a downright evil action. Morally questionable actions? Who in the party hasn't performed a Grey action? Actions that would make us think he's outright evil? I would argue no. I would be happy with it remaining Chaotic Neutral.

2) Alignment doesn't make the character. Alignment is more a very simple summary of a character's personality, moral and ethical compass and the decisions that they make. Take my character as an example. Lili is Chaotic Good and is a character than can be relied on to do the right thing despite being greedy, a bit selfish and a show off (I do make a point of having Lili perform attention seeking and awesome looking actions and do it often). Saving Mezlo from bleeding out was one big point. I didn't do that because "Oh I'm Chaotic Good and a Chaotic Good PC wouldn't let someone die" I did it because that is what my character would have done regardless of her current arbitrary alignment description.

Seriously, alignment debates are why I'm glad that 4E just changed it to "Good, Unaligned and Evil" and 5E is doing away with it altogether. The biggest mistake I see is people RPing to an alignment when really the alignment is just the result of your actions and your character's personality and moral and ethical compass.

3) If anything Yyg has his eyes on me and/or Cid most of all, especially with some of the shenanigans we try to get past him.

[Mezlo]

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Guys, please try to stay on topic.

{Yes please.}

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1) Mezlo hasn't actually performed a downright evil action. Morally questionable actions? Who in the party hasn't performed a Grey action? Actions that would make us think he's outright evil? I would argue no. I would be happy with it remaining Chaotic Neutral.

100% correct

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Also, I wonder if Yyg will argue as vehemently with Fire as he did with me.

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Fire, I wonder if he will stay on topic or bring up how much he hates it when you bring up My little Pony references in game, like he complained to me about you last week. We shall see... Hopefully stay on subject like we had asked him...

[Jarre]

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He also hasn't chastized the rogues for their thefts... or Jarre for... idk... trying to stuff an old woman in a backpack. .

In Armando's defence that old women was extreemly stubbon, anoying and holding us back, even good people can get anoyed and tired with others, he just wouldn't do it himself. Though he did say he wouldn't let me do that, hence why she was never stuffed into my backpack.

[Firewind]

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Well we joked about it but I think if someone actually did put the old woman into his sack, I think Theron and Lili at the very least would have raised some kind of objection.

That said, my character wouldn't have objected to gagging her given that she was constantly giving away our position.

[cidbahamut]

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So much drama...

This is probably the sort of thing that should be discussed in PMs first rather than sprung all of a sudden.

That said, Mezlo you're overreacting. If you know your character concept and how you want to play your character then you should just play your character accordingly. The alignment will drop into place on its own(via DM interpretation, but still...).

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if my character's alignment ended up changing at some point during the campaign. My original character sheet had him penciled in as Neutral Evil, but was scaled back a bit during revision to True Neutral. That was largely due to the stigma that comes with the Evil spectrum of the alignment, but it's worth noting that "evil" is not necessarily the same as "villain". Point being, I know how I want to play my character and at the end of the day that's what matters, because alignment is just a vague summary rather than something that dictates how your character must behave.

[Mezlo]

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What's your opinion though Cid? Would you say my character is of the evil alignment?

[Yygdrasil]

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I took it to PMs. Why don't you take your own advice and do the same.

[Armando]

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He also hasn't chastized the rogues for their thefts...

I can't remember any time the Rogues have stolen stuff that I (me, not Theron) was actually there and that Theron had enough Perception to notice. But for whatever it's worth, we have a klepto Fighter, 2 Rogues and a trigger-happy Wizard. We've had 2 deaths in the party. I have enough WIS to know not to rock the boat unnecessarily; the group's already at risk of shrinking or turning against itself.

I did stop Mezlo from looting from the temple at my own cost, and I've been taking prisoners whenever possible instead deeming myself fit to judge whether they should live or not. I'd argue I'm going above and beyond the law there, because I doubt Human and Dwarven laws extend much protections to Goblins.

I also can't recall actually having tortured anyone. The reasoning behind casting Early Judgment on high-ranking goblins is to give the soon-to-be-dead one last chance to repent, where logic and words would normally fail. There's nothing like a vision of your afterlife to scare you straight.

[Yygdrasil]

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Again. I haven't done it to you yet. I'm waiting and watching everyone. But to be clear. These decisions aren't up for discussion.

[cidbahamut]

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What's your opinion though Cid? Would you say my character is of the evil alignment?

I think at the very least he leans evil.
So far your character has:
* Killed a party member over a paltry amount of gold
* Taken perverse pleasure in firing bolts up a cat's ass
* Shown no hesitation or qualms about harvesting said cat's testicles while it was still alive

You didn't do yourself any favors on that critical failure either. A simple in-character "oh shit" or calling for Theron to come help Lili would have gone a long way, but it played out as though your character was very casual about accidentally killing another party member and not at all upset by it.

That said, I'm not sure if your character has actually crossed the threshold into the Evil spectrum, but your character is definitely toeing the line. Said lines tend to be fuzzy however, which is why the DM has to arbitrate.

Credit where credit is due: stuff like spontaneously coming up with "Dragon Riders" falls into Chaotic pretty nicely.

[Jarre]

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Just to de rail back to topic, are we playing tonight?