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    So with the cloak giving me a +4 deflection bonus AC, my AC is 18. 10 + 4 dex bonus + 4 defleciton bonus from the cloak.

    Armor Class
    Your Armor Class (AC) represents how hard it is for opponents to land a solid, damaging blow on you. It's the attack roll result that an opponent needs to achieve to hit you.

    Your AC is equal to the following:

    10 + armor bonus + shield bonus + Dexterity modifier + other modifiers

    Note that armor limits your Dexterity bonus, so if you're wearing armor, you might not be able to apply your whole Dexterity bonus to your AC (see Table: Armor and Shields).

    Sometimes you can't use your Dexterity bonus (if you have one). If you can't react to a blow, you can't use your Dexterity bonus to AC. If you don't have a Dexterity bonus, your AC does not change.

    Other Modifiers
    Many other factors modify your AC.

    Enhancement Bonuses
    Enhancement bonuses apply to your armor to increase the armor bonus it provides.

    Deflection Bonus
    Magical deflection effects ward off attacks and improve your AC.

    Natural Armor
    If your race has a tough hide, scales, or thick skin you receive a bonus to your AC.

    Dodge Bonuses
    Dodge bonuses represent actively avoiding blows. Any situation that denies you your Dexterity bonus also denies you dodge bonuses. (Wearing armor, however, does not limit these bonuses the way it limits a Dexterity bonus to AC.) Unlike most sorts of bonuses, dodge bonuses stack with each other.

    Size Modifier
    You receive a bonus or penalty to your AC based on your size. See Table: Size Modifiers.

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    Originally posted by Yygdrasil View Post
    but as is the case with Gravity bow... had I known how big an impact it would play in combat and how much you would abuse it, I likely would never have allowed it to begin with.
    I abuse it? How is utilizing an allowed spell correctly abusing it?

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    If you replace abuse with utilize in your statement, I think that would be more accurate...

    "but as is the case with Gravity bow... had I known how big an impact it would play in combat and how much you would UTILIZE it, I likely would never have allowed it to begin with."
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    • Re: General Discussion

      You're listing the definition of AC... why? I explained to you how the deflection bonus will work already.

      Your AC is 18 vs projectiles and 16 vs melee.


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      • Re: General Discussion

        Originally posted by Yygdrasil View Post
        You're listing the definition of AC... why? I explained to you how the deflection bonus will work already.

        Your AC is 18 vs projectiles and 16 vs melee.
        lol, I just got Yyg'ed... I listed the definition because this is the first time you mentioned the +4 only applying to projectile weapons. The first time since i got the cloak. lol... if it was a deflection bonus, it would still apply to the whole AC, not just projectile weapons per Pathfinder rules. You're the DM though.
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          Originally posted by Yygdrasil View Post
          Additionally, as a retroactive effect of this change, I'll be striking Firewind's death from the record.
          I don't accept this as canon. It was an interesting part of the campaign that I'm always going to remember despite any attempts to retcon it out of the timeline.


          Also gonna agree with Mezlo here. As written on the Pathfinder wiki, deflection bonus doesn't appear to be specific to ranged attacks, it's just another category for things that add to armor class. You could get the same effect by just making the robe +whatever and then give it an additional bonus vs ranged attacks specifically.
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          • Re: General Discussion

            Yeah, I think what Yyg wants to say is:
            +1 AC
            +3 Deflection Bonus against projectiles

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            • Re: General Discussion

              Originally posted by cidbahamut View Post
              Also gonna agree with Mezlo here.
              Holy shit!

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              Originally posted by Armando View Post
              Yeah, I think what Yyg wants to say is:
              +1 AC
              +3 Deflection Bonus against projectiles
              And this is 100% different than how the cloak was described. It was +4 AC, which if its a deflection modifier, it would get applied to my AC making my AC 18. It's odd... I feel like I'm now trying to defend and justify something that was described clearly during the session, was added into the forum under Campaign Details clearly, and has been used for 4 sessions or so now. Why are we all of a sudden changing it now? This is the first time the description of "AC bonus to projectiles" has EVER been mentioned. It would be one thing if it was something that was given to me. But I bought it based upon the stats you gave, and now it's no where near the cloak it was...
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              • Re: General Discussion

                Yeah Cid and Mezlo are right, deflection is just another bonus to AC.

                HOWEVER

                Items can be specified as giving a Deflection Bonus against projectiles only or it can give a flat bonus to AC. There are Magic Items out there that do give a deflection Bonus to projectiles only.

                Actually AC stacking rules are why I've not worn armour since I got Mage Armour. Wearing Leather gives me +2 AC, wearing clothes and having Mage Armour up means I get +4 to AC from armour (which I can just recast if I get KO'd since it lasts for 1hour/Caster Level). Should serve me well until I get the Arcane Armour Training feat and +2 Leather Armour or better. Then it will probably better to use that and save the first level spell slot for some utility spell like Gravity Bow or Vanish.
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                • Re: General Discussion

                  Then I am wrong. Keep your 4ac. You still can't wear armor on top of the cloak.


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                    Originally posted by Yygdrasil View Post
                    Then I am wrong. Keep your 4ac. You still can't wear armor on top of the cloak.
                    Sounds good!

                    Also, I cant wait for next session...
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                    • Re: General Discussion

                      Yeah next time Yyg you will want to specify if a Deflection Bonus is going to apply to Projectiles only or if it is a flat bonus to AC. Anything else leads to confusion as to what bonuses are applying where.

                      (And yes Mezlo he can rule that it doesn't stack with your regular armour, if any even if it is a Deflection Bonus and not an Armour Bonus, especially if it would break the game)
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                      • Re: General Discussion

                        I never meant it as a deflection bonus. It was originally just a raw 4ac. I'm limited to my cell phone at the moment. I just misread my own description.


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                        • Re: General Discussion

                          Originally posted by Firewind View Post
                          (And yes Mezlo he can rule that it doesn't stack with your regular armour, if any even if it is a Deflection Bonus and not an Armour Bonus, especially if it would break the game)
                          And that's why I didn't retort and replied with a mere "Sounds good!"
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                            Originally posted by Mezlo View Post
                            And that's why I didn't retort and replied with a mere "Sounds good!"
                            Yeah I only intended it as as friendly dig and nothing else really.

                            Also as for the death, it was an interesting part of the story. If you want to rule out the death mechanically Yyg we could just assume I got a Restoration as some point. It has the same mechanical affect and the story isn't effected. Plus I think Mezlo likes being Evil .
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                              Originally posted by Firewind View Post
                              Plus I think Mezlo likes being Evil .
                              Hence the new sig.

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                              • Re: General Discussion

                                To be fair given that I rolled another 2 for HP I'm probably going to end up dead again anyway regardless of what you do .
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