General Discussion

[Mezlo]

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I'm guessing your confusion stems from the fact that a Full Attack allows you to do anything you can do with a regular attack. However, Focused Shot is not a regular attack; it's a different Standard Action altogether.

Yeah, let's see what Yyg decides to do, keep going or change the way we're going to handle it. If we do change it hopefully i can pick another feat, because I would never use them seperately.

Also, Fire please way in on my many shot / rapid shot comment. The way I read it, they should work together and operate the way I spelled out in my earlier post. PLease let me know if that's not the case.

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Yyg, on this cloak, the +4 AC, is that a deflection bonus or a natural AC bonus or like a magic + AC bonus? I'm guessing it's not in the category of armor AC since it's just a robe. I'm just trying to determine what category its in so i know what can stack with it.

Flaming Robe
- Crimson colored cloak, AC+4, Fire Resistance +10, 5lbs
- Once per day the wearer may speak a key phrase (Currenlty "Flame On") and invoke the power of the robe. When the incantation is spoken, 4 orbs of fire approximately 6 inches in diameter manifest from the robe's sleeves and circle slowly around the wearer at waist height. Invoking the cloak is considered a free action.
- As a standard action, the wearer can pick up and throw one of the orbs at an opponent or object at a range of 60ft. The orbs detonate on first contact with a foreign object and deal 1d6 damage to that object.
- Once thrown, the orbs travel in a straight line at a rate of 30ft/round. Their path cannot be altered by any means (including wind).

[Armando]

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Your interpretation of Manyshot + Rapid Shot is correct, although do keep in mind you need 17 DEX in addition to BAB+6.

[Mezlo]

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I have 18 dex already

[Yygdrasil]

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Since I'm in Florida, I don't have the necessery books to confirm or deny any of this. It'll all have to wait until I get home to make a judgment call.

I hope you don't think of it as a personal attack, Mezlo... but some of what Fire is talking about sounds right and Armando's assessment of the differene between Standard and Full Round actions is as well. If someone can post the descriptions of each of the Feats and abilities and actions that are being brought into question, I can attempt to rule on it some time tonight. For now though, It'll have to wait.

If it ends up being true that the abilities you've been stacking do not in fact stack... I will permit you to change one of them. Understand that a severely broken combination (that shouldn't be possible) that goes unnoticed should not be permitted to continue. It might not sound fair to you, but it's also not fair to the rest of the party who are not exploiting such a loophole (knowingly or unknowingly).

I'll decide when I have the facts.

[Armando]

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You can make an additional ranged attack.

Prerequisites: Dex 13, Point-Blank Shot.

Benefit: When making a full-attack action with a ranged weapon, you can fire one additional time this round. All of your attack rolls take a –2 penalty when using Rapid Shot.

Your anatomical insight adds deadliness to your shots.

Prerequisites: Int 13, Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot.

Benefit: As a standard action, you may make an attack with a bow or crossbow and add your Intelligence modifier on the damage roll. You must be within 30 feet of your target to deal this extra damage. Creatures immune to critical hits and sneak attacks are immune to this extra damage.

Special: Starting at 2nd level, a ranger with the archery combat style may select Focused Shot as a combat style feat.

You can fire multiple arrows at a single target.

Prerequisites: Dex 17, Point-Blank Shot, Rapid Shot, base attack bonus +6.

Benefit: When making a full-attack action with a bow, your first attack fires two arrows. If the attack hits, both arrows hit. Apply precision-based damage (such as sneak attack) and critical hit damage only once for this attack. Damage bonuses from using a composite bow with a high Strength bonus apply to each arrow, as do other damage bonuses, such as a ranger's favored enemy bonus. Damage reduction and resistances apply separately to each arrow.

Source: Pathfinder_OGC

[Mezlo]

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If it ends up being true that the abilities you've been stacking do not in fact stack... I will permit you to change one of them.

This sounds fair and I don't take it as an attack, no worries. The only thing that bothered me is that I might be stuck with a feat that I'd never use that up until now we all thought was kosher. As long as I can change it, I'm cool with it. And waiting until you get back is fine enjoy your FL time, I wasnt expecting anything until next week anyways with the holidays upon us. And I'm sure Fire is right in regards to Rapid Shot and Focus Shot not stacking after reading Armandos post, it makes sense. Fire is not right however in regards to needing a +7 BAB in order to use Rapid Shot to get 2 shots, and he's not right in thinking you don't need the Weapon Focus feat in either bow or shortbow to unlock Arcane Archerer.

[Armando]

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@Yyg: If you do agree that they don't stack, would this retcon Lily's death and negative level? Mezlo couldn't have killed her outright if you take away the damage bonus from Focused Shot. I'm not sure if that'd still put her in negative HP, but it certainly wouldn't have been instant death; I would've had a chance to cast Stabilize.

[Mezlo]

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and Yyg, don;t forget to address this when you get back in town.

Yyg, on this cloak, the +4 AC, is that a deflection bonus or a natural AC bonus or like a magic + AC bonus? I'm guessing it's not in the category of armor AC since it's just a robe. I'm just trying to determine what category its in so i know what can stack with it. would leather armor stack with it?

Flaming Robe
- Crimson colored cloak, AC+4, Fire Resistance +10, 5lbs
- Once per day the wearer may speak a key phrase (Currenlty "Flame On") and invoke the power of the robe. When the incantation is spoken, 4 orbs of fire approximately 6 inches in diameter manifest from the robe's sleeves and circle slowly around the wearer at waist height. Invoking the cloak is considered a free action.
- As a standard action, the wearer can pick up and throw one of the orbs at an opponent or object at a range of 60ft. The orbs detonate on first contact with a foreign object and deal 1d6 damage to that object.
- Once thrown, the orbs travel in a straight line at a rate of 30ft/round. Their path cannot be altered by any means (including wind).

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Oh, and an answer to this Yyg.

We aren't restricted to "Core Rules only" for Pathfinder when selecting feats correct? We can use the "Advanced Player's Guide" guidelines?

I'm looking at putting some levels into ranger, but i want a combat feat in the Advanced Players Guide because I already have all the feats that are given in just the Core Rules...

I'd like a combat feat as ranger thats listed under Adavanced Players guide, just need ot know if i can select one of those feats.

•If Core Rules only: archery or two-weapon combat.
•If Advanced Player's Guide allowed: crossbow, mounted combat, natural weapon, two-handed weapon, and weapon and shield).

*edit* i have all the feats I want that are offered from the Core Rules. I think we are using the Advanced set of rules, but I'm just checking.

[Armando]

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We aren't restricted to "Core Rules only" for Pathfinder when selecting feats correct? We can use the "Advanced Player's Guide" guidelines?

I believe Yyg said yes to non-Core rules. I'm pretty sure almost everyone here has feats, items, or spells that aren't in the core rules. I'm also sure he's said yes to Prestige Classes that weren't in the Core Rules.

[Mezlo]

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I thought so too but wanted to verify. I'm going to put levels into ranger and once my ranger hits second level, combat skills through the Natural Weapon path would allow me to select Weapon Focus and I'd focus on Longbow so I could unlock Arcane Archerer, I just want it verified that's ok to do.

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Also, a 4th level Ranger gets Hunter's Bond which gives him an animal companion. Will that animal companion level with me as I level, or only level when I chose to put a level into Ranger? Logic seems it would level as I level regardless of what class i chose to put a level into. Is that correct?

[Armando]

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Also, a 4th level Ranger gets Hunter's Bond which gives him an animal companion. Will that animal companion level with me as I level, or only level when I chose to put a level into Ranger? Logic seems it would level as I level regardless of what class i chose to put a level into. Is that correct?

The companion's level is based on your Druid class level. For the purposes of this ability, Rangers count as a Druid -3 levels (so at Level 4 you get the equivalent of a Lv.1 Druid pet.)

The second option is to form a close bond with an animal companion. A ranger who selects an animal companion can choose from the list on this page. This animal is a loyal companion that accompanies the ranger on his adventures as appropriate for its kind. A ranger's animal companion shares his favored enemy and favored terrain bonuses.

This ability functions like the druid animal companion ability (which is part of the Nature Bond class feature), except that the ranger's effective druid level is equal to his ranger level –3.

[Mezlo]

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I read that, but didn't follow it. I got it now.

[Firewind]

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1) Nothing was meant as an attack on anyone, nor was it the intent of bringing up this issue.

2) The only reason why I pointed out that those feats might not stack is I wanted attention brought to it before it became a problem later. I'm not after any sort of retcon, it is just something I noticed when going over everyone's sheets.

3) As much as I love screwing with the DM, getting a reputation as a dishonest player is something I do not want as it's bad for the entire group.

[Mezlo]

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I'm going to be swapping focus shot with spell focus evocation i think. I've planned out my character now through level 20, and me likey...

[Yygdrasil]

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Ok. Now that I've had time to review th feats, have determined that they in fact do not stack with one another. It's really pretty obvious now that I'm actually taking the time to look at it... and it answers a lot of questions as to why you were dealing as much damage as you were every time you fired a bolt.

That being the case, I'll allow you to pick one of them and drop it for another feat.

Additionally, as a retroactive effect of this change, I'll be striking Firewind's death from the record. This will eliminate the negative level your character suffers as a penalty. Adjust your sheet accordingly. Welcome back.

Mezlo:
Yyg, on this cloak, the +4 AC, is that a deflection bonus or a natural AC bonus or like a magic + AC bonus? I'm guessing it's not in the category of armor AC since it's just a robe. I'm just trying to determine what category its in so i know what can stack with it. would leather armor stack with it?

The +4 to your AC is written incorrectly in the description. It specifically applies to deflection bonus, not to raw AC. As a deflection bonus, the +4 is added to your AC to ward off Missile Attacks against you in the form of Bullets, Arrows, Bolts or Projectiles. The Raw AC bonus on the robe is +1. Theraw +1 bonus does not stack with the +4 deflection bonus.

Additionally, the robe will not stack with Leather Armor, as you must choose to wear one or the other. Robes are classified as a type of armor and as such, can be worn in place of armor, not on top of.

Mezlo:
We aren't restricted to "Core Rules only" for Pathfinder when selecting feats correct? We can use the "Advanced Player's Guide" guidelines?

I'm looking at putting some levels into ranger, but i want a combat feat in the Advanced Players Guide because I already have all the feats that are given in just the Core Rules...

The use of any rule, be it Feats, Skills, Spells or otherwise... need to be cleared through me first before you may select them. Some of the Advanced choices of various categories are largely overpowered and should not be available as options to a group as causal as ours. If there is something in the Advanced guide that you would like to use, just let me know and I'll look into it. The vast majority of them should be ok... but as is the case with Gravity bow... had I known how big an impact it would play in combat and how much you would abuse it, I likely would never have allowed it to begin with. That being said, I'm not going to take it away from you now.

Armando:
I believe Yyg said yes to non-Core rules. I'm pretty sure almost everyone here has feats, items, or spells that aren't in the core rules. I'm also sure he's said yes to Prestige Classes that weren't in the Core Rules.

Yes and No. You each have Feats and choices from outside the core rules, but they have all been cleared through me individually. Prestige Classes are also permitted outside the core rules, but again... only if cleared through me first. I'm going to be very strict when it comes to your choices, however. Be forewarned that your chances of getting a Prestige from outside the core rules passed me are slim. Make a case for it and I'll listen.

Armando:
The companion's level is based on your Druid class level. For the purposes of this ability, Rangers count as a Druid -3 levels (so at Level 4 you get the equivalent of a Lv.1 Druid pet.)

This is correct.

Mezlo:
I'm going to be swapping focus shot with spell focus evocation i think. I've planned out my character now through level 20, and me likey...

Thats perfectly fine. Make the change.