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[Armando]

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Hey Yyg, are these items available to us? I'm pulling them all from d20pfsrd.com's Goods and Services page.

Alchemist's Fire (20 gp). Source: Core Rulebook
Bloodblock (25 gp). Source: Adventurer's Armory
Flash Powder (50 gp). Source: Adventurer's Armory
Liquid Ice (40 gp). Source: Adventurer's Armory
Smelling Salts (25 gp). Source: Advanced Player's Guide
Smokestick (20 gp). Source: Core Rulebook
Thunderstone (30 gp). Source: Core Rulebook

Also, could you post the list of magical items we can buy from what's-her-name and the effects of Tumm Manos and the Hand of Glory on the first post?

[Yygdrasil]

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K ill look into those. Gimme a min.

[Yygdrasil]

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Let me have a little more time to look into those items. In the meantime... here are the stats for the 2 magic items you guys got this past session:

Hand of Glory
- Worn around the neck and uses up the necklace slot
- Ability to Cast "Daylight" once per day
- Ability to Cast "See Invisibility" once per day
- When a ring is placed on the finger of the Hand of Glory, the wearer of the necklace gains the benefits of that ring, ignoring the 2 ring/player rule.
- Only 1 ring may adorn the Hand of Glory at a time

Tuum Manos
- Heavy Mace, 1d8 Damage, Crit Chance @ 20, Crit Multiplier x2
- The wielder does not suffer the usual -4 penalty for attack rolls made while being grappled
- The wielder deals 1d4 damage to a foe when breaking free from a grapple

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I'll post them to the OP.

[Armando]

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No prob. I do want to clarify some things about Tuum Manos' effect and grappling while wielding a weapon. The rules are pretty clear when it comes to grappling empty-handed, but start to get ambiguous when you're not.

The wielder does not suffer the usual -4 penalty for attack rolls made while being grappled

Under what circumstances does this apply? There's a couple of situations where you might take a penalty while grappling:
* The person who starts a grapple takes a -4 on the roll if he doesn't have both hands free. The rules don't specify if this penalty applies to all following rolls to keep the grapple going.
* The creature being grappled can make a grapple roll to break free or become the grappler. I assume attempting to reverse the grapple while holding a non-Tuum Manos weapon/item would invoke the -4 penalty, but no penalty when trying to break free?
* The creature being grappled can make melee attacks with a one-handed weapon or perform combat maneuvers, but takes a -2 penalty on the attack or combat maneuver roll.

Also, didn't you mention Tuum Manos negated the -4 DEX penalty from grappling?

[Mezlo]

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I'm ready for Saturday! Oh, and Yyg, let me know about dragon disciple. I had said i wanted to do that when we first started. TM noted that I'd be a flying dragon halfling which would be awesome (this was when i was planning on being a halfling.) I then asked you what level i could go into a dragon disciple since i could fill all the prerequisites around level 5-7, i cant remember which. You said prestige classes were level 10+ so i was cool with that. I was planning on it, but if you dont want to allow it, it's ok I'll just try and figure something else out. dragon discple doesnt look overpowered at all, it just lets you put levels into something else when you're happy with the spells you already have.

[Armando]

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Hey Yyg, are these items available to us? I'm pulling them all from d20pfsrd.com's Goods and Services page.

Alchemist's Fire (20 gp). Source: Core Rulebook
Bloodblock (25 gp). Source: Adventurer's Armory
Flash Powder (50 gp). Source: Adventurer's Armory
Liquid Ice (40 gp). Source: Adventurer's Armory
Smelling Salts (25 gp). Source: Advanced Player's Guide
Smokestick (20 gp). Source: Core Rulebook
Thunderstone (30 gp). Source: Core Rulebook

Also, could you post the list of magical items we can buy from what's-her-name and the effects of Tumm Manos and the Hand of Glory on the first post?

[cidbahamut]

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Thunderstone caught my eye back when I was looking through the items the other week. Seems like a good way to alert everyone in an area that something is up, like if an assassin is sneaking in to kill someone and we find them and need backup(assuming of course that we aren't the ones sneaking in).

[Armando]

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We can use it offensively too. An empty square has AC 5 so it's pretty easy to land it, and if they fail their Fort save their initiative gets screwed and they have a chance to botch spells. They also can't use Perception to detect you by sound if you're sneaking around.

EDIT: Also, Mezlo can use Alchemist's Fire to make his Scorching Ray light them on fire for 1 turn. A caster would need to make a concentration check to cast while on fire, or attempt to put it out as a full round action.

[cidbahamut]

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A noise that's loud enough to deafen them going off is going to tip them off that someone or something is there though. I'm well aware of teh offensive uses, I'm just trying to think of more ways to use it than what's explicitly listed.

[Armando]

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Just before the rollback I was about to post that Google had cached everything in the thread up to my flowcharts post. How amusing that the forum rollback brought us back to that same point in time.

Google magic

[Yygdrasil]

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Amusing indeed. Back to what I was doing before the restore.

Sadly... like everyone else, I lost all the progress I had made.

[cidbahamut]

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Speak for yourself, I was just posting pictures of squirrels and making fun of Mezlo for his horrible taste in alcohol everything.

[Mezlo]

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I have a wide variety of tastes when it comes to alcohol, i enjoy alot of different kinds. Anyone that trys to make fun of a drink someone enjoys, unless its an appletini and yes im looking at you Yyg, is a fucktwad, and yes i'm looking at you Cid.

[cidbahamut]

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Straight tequila is awful. Tequila used to make a margarita is wonderful.

Light beer is just a waste of money that could have been spent on good beer instead.

Good beer

[Mezlo]

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Cid... If you remember... I was enjoying a stone IPA a few weeks ago. I throw arrogant bastard into the same bucket as Stone. Both are good. Sometimes I enjoy something more mellow though, like a coors light. I can drink Coors light all day (or at 8am) a good IPA is different, only after noon and only around 4 max...