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[Yygdrasil]

Re: D&D

Cid... yes you may backdate your favored class. Only this once because you didn't notice it before.

Mezlo... I had thought I made it clear that I was not allowing Dragon Disciple. I can't find where I explicitly said no... but I'm almost certain I did. In any case... I'll look into it... but I'm likely to say no... simply because I'm avoiding the use of dragons or dragon-type attribute at all.

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Yyg, what level was the hand anyways? Wouldn't he need like 10 hit die to have 50-ish HP?

He was level 5. I fudged his HP to make him more challenging. It should be obvious by now that I don't play strictly by the books.

And as for 3rd grapple checks... yeah... you answered that yourself.

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Yyg: Can I use Lunge to start a Grapple from 10 feet away?

Yes. I looked into it.

[Firewind]

Re: D&D

I am actually pretty glad that we are still a little away from a Level Up yet as choosing between Sorc and Wizard to enable Arcane Tricksters is tough.

Wizard

Pros

• Spellbook means you learn far more spells than a Sorc
• Nowhere near as restricted as a Sorc due to the above
• Arcane School Specialisations
• Pumping Int also gives me more Skill Ranks

Cons:

• Fewer Spells/Day than Sorc
• No bloodline stuff
• Have to prepare spell slots
• We already have a dedicated Wizard

Sorcerer

Pros:

• Pumping Cha benefits the party since we have no designated "face"
• More spells/day
• Don't have to prepare spell slots so it's far more difficult to be caught out
• Bloodline bonus stuff
• Sorc are more suited to nuking and damaging spells that use an attack roll can be boosted by Sneak Attack damage
• It's easier to fit into the story

Cons

• You only get 2 Spells/Level plus any Bloodline bonus spell and no more so you can't "learn" spells like wizards can
• Spell levels come later than a wizard's
• Less skill points due to Int not being pumped
• Can't learn spells from Mezlo and Mezlo can't learn spells from Lili
• Picking a spell that is bad for the campaign hurts more since you can't learn more spells

[Yygdrasil]

Re: D&D

Your concern about the difficulty of spellcasters up until now is justified... they've been easy only because I've been scaling them to the partie's level. In the future, you might want to consider alternate strategies against them.

You've also yet to see any highly difficult melee enemies. I'm building a few of each of the afformentioned types to challenge you in the future.

As for The Hand. I haven't decided yet... but considering how much yuo guys liked him as an NPC... he might make a return in the future. Keep an eye out.

[Firewind]

Re: D&D

To be fair I think a spellcaster that is properly played and not balanced to just challenge the group without putting them into real danger would give Mezlo and Armando nightmares Yyg XD

[Yygdrasil]

Re: D&D

If I build a spellcaster of equal challenge level to the party and played it with the intention of killing the party... it likely would.

The only thing is... it would have to be a Wizard trained in Destruction. 1 Fireball to the face and it's over for most of you.

[Armando]

Re: D&D

To be fair I think a spellcaster that is properly played and not balanced to just challenge the group without putting them into real danger would give Mezlo and Armando nightmares Yyg XD

Don't tell him that, I want to see what he has in store.

Also, some of the Teamwork Feats are kind of interesting. One of them lets you deal 1d6 damage per hit if you're flanking an opponent with an ally that also has the feat.

[cidbahamut]

Re: D&D

Cid... yes you may backdate your favored class. Only this once because you didn't notice it before.

Shouldn't be too much of an issue. Obviously I'm going to pick Rogue as my favored class and I'll probably pick up a couple skill points to offset a few skills I invested in for backstory purposes. I'll let you know once I've allocated stuff and updated my character sheet. If there's any discrepancies I've got notes of each level up I can give you to double-check it all.

Also: Is Shadow Dancer off limits?

Also also: I kind of want to see someone dual class Wizard and Sorcerer.

[Firewind]

Re: D&D

There's not much point in going Sorc/Wiz. There's literally no benefit from it, you just gimp your spellcasting for a couple of class features really. You can only boost the spellcasting for one of those classes at a time as they don't stack. Even using Gestalt rules, Sorc/Wizard isn't a very strong combo compared to what else you can grab.

Mixing Sorc, Wizard or Bard with Cleric or Druid however would work very nicely especially if you go Mythic Theurge and grab some levels in that.

[cidbahamut]

Re: D&D

I still think it would be amusing, even if it's not that useful.

[Armando]

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Considering the requirement for being a Sorcerer is merely to have Wizards or some magical thing in your bloodline, it's a bit funny that it's so mutually exclusive with Wizardry. You'd think a Wizard with magic in his blood would make a better Wizard.

[Yygdrasil]

Re: D&D

Shadow Dancer is ok. I encourage one of the rogues to take it actually. The things that class can do are largely tactical and minimally OP. I love seeing how players use the talents available to it.

[cidbahamut]

Re: D&D

I've been leaning towards it since well before I even joined this forum so there's a good chance I'll take some levels in it.

There's a couple things that bug me about it though:
- It requires 2 ranks in dancing, which seems a bit out of character for me.
- There's absolutely no origin lore to be found about it as far as I can tell. It's just, BAM! You now have shadow-based super powers, good for you. Everything else there's at least some minimal lore explaining where it all comes from. Maybe I'm just not searching in the right corners of the internet.

[Firewind]

Re: D&D

The tactical choices are why I'm in love with Arcane Trickster actually.

And one level in Shadowdancer alone is worth it purely due to Hide in Plain Sight. Especially if Ninja isn't allowed.

[cidbahamut]

Re: D&D

Yyg is now going to make all of our dungeons filled with brightly lit hallways.

[Armando]

Re: D&D

Hide in Plain Sight

Man, that is so fucked up.