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[Firewind]

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I know that I took the Jump scrolls and TM took the mirror. I assumed that Cid took the Short Sword because that is what he was using in the fight this session XD

[Armando]

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Didn't "Murphie" take the mirror? I thought we had agreed on it because he had the highest Charisma.

[Taskmage]

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You could always give the sword a mundane name like Stabby Bill.

[Yygdrasil]

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Ok... I'm going to step in here and say you guys are being true to yourselves over the past 3 sessions right now.

Who has the masterwork Short Sword? Who cares! Someone just take it already. You're vastly overthinking this.

As far as the mirror is concerned... someone take that too. You never know when you'll need a mirror. Who knows... what if I threw you up against a gorgon? All charisma aside, you'd probably want to have that mirror on one of you.

So heres what we'll do.

Cid... you have the sword until you otherwise decide to give it to someone else... and Fire... you have the mirror. Done. Mark it on your sheets.

[Armando]

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Ok... I'm going to step in here and say you guys are being true to yourselves over the past 3 sessions right now.

I'm not sure what this means. EDIT: Never mind!

Who knows... what if I threw you up against a gorgon?

Then I'll take a movement penalty and -6 on my attack roll to charge it by running backwards!

[Firewind]

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I'm sure I'll be able to pop in and out of cover to avoid gaze attacks while using my bow

[Armando]

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I'm sure I'll be able to pop in and out of cover to avoid gaze attacks while using my bow

Wouldn't you be open to a gaze attack from the mere fact that you have to aim the bow at it?

[Yygdrasil]

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I'm not sure what this means

lol. It means you're overthinking something that is otherwise very simple.

"Who has the masterwork sword?" should not reasult in 2 pages of discussion, lol. But with you guys it does XD

[Mezlo]

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what if I threw you up against a gorgon?

I would color spray its face, and then shoot it with my crossbow. Done. Next?

[Mezlo]

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lol. It means you're overthinking something that is otherwise very simple.

"Who has the masterwork sword?" should not reasult in 2 pages of discussion, lol. But with you guys it does XD

You're not understanding the discussion, plain and simple... It's not us trying to decide who has it or who to give it to... We are loving the game and we are using this thread to talk about it. We can only play every other week, by talking about the game in this thread it helps with the itch to play...

[Yygdrasil]

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Alrighty then. Let me provide you with something to talk about then.

After this weekend's fight with the Lynx and the thrashing you gave it... I've been hand-creating monsters to better challenge the party. They'll be tough... but not insurmoutable if you fight them correctly.

However... I'd like to allow our 2 rogues a little more individuality... considering the fact that you both seem to fight very similarly. All things considered... you could both be rangers in my book.

That being said... I'd like to offer you the option to become more... specialized. What this means is that I'd like you to pick an archetype version of the rogue class and build it into your character design as best you can.

The choice to do this or not is up to you. If you're perfectly satisfied with the way you are, leave him/her be... but if you'd like to be more... unique... check these out:

Pathfinder: Rogue

Acrobat

Agility and daring are both excellent rogue traits, and their confluence can create spectacular feats of acrobatics. Whether they are daring thieves, infiltrating assassins, or intrepid spies, proper training in acrobatics is a valuable boon for rogues.

Expert Acrobat (Ex): At 1st level, an acrobat does not suffer any armor check penalties on Acrobatics, Climb, Fly, Sleight of Hand, or Stealth skill checks while wearing light armor. When she is not wearing armor, she gains a +2 competency bonus on Acrobatics and Fly skill checks. This ability replaces trapfinding.

Second Chance (Ex): At 3rd level, an acrobat can reroll any Acrobatics, Climb, or Fly skill check she has just made. This reroll is made at a –5 penalty. She must take the second result, even if it is worse. An acrobat can use this ability only once on any given skill check. She can use this ability once per day at 3rd level, plus one additional time per day for every 3 levels beyond 3rd. This ability replaces trap sense.

Rogue Talents: The following rogue talents complement the acrobat archetype: expert leaper, ledge walker*, nimble climber, peerless maneuver, rogue crawl*, and stand up*.

Advanced Talents: The following advanced rogue talents complement the acrobat archetype: defensive roll*, fast getaway, fast tumble, and improved evasion*.

Burglar

Adept at infiltration, trap removal, and lock picking, burglars prey on the homes of the wealthy and forgotten tombs alike. Such riches are guarded with vicious traps and hazards, but the devious mind of the burglar allows her to find such dangers and avoid them.

Careful Disarm (Ex): At 4th level, whenever a burglar attempts to disarm a trap using Disable Device, she does not spring the trap unless she fails by 10 or more. If she does set off a trap she was attempting to disarm, she adds double her trap sense bonus to avoid the trap. This ability replaces uncanny dodge.

Distraction (Ex): At 8th level, whenever a burglar is detected while using Stealth, she can immediately attempt a Bluff skill check opposed by the Sense Motive skill of the creature that spotted her. If this check succeeds, the target assumes that the noise was something innocent and disregards the detection. This only functions if the creature cannot see the rogue. This ability can only be used once during a given Stealth attempt. If the same creature detects the rogue's presence again, the ability has no effect. This ability replaces improved uncanny dodge.

Rogue Talents: The following rogue talents complement the burglar archetype: fast picks, fast stealth*, nimble climber, quick disable*, and trap spotter*.

Advanced Talents: The following advanced rogue talents complement the burglar archetype: knock-out blow, skill mastery*, and thoughtful reexamining.

Cutpurse

Everyone who lives in the city understands that a wealthy man stays wealthy by guarding his purse while wandering the streets and markets. Cutpurses are often trained by guilds to collect the guild's tax from local businesses on a daily basis, whether through intimidation or pickpocketing. Some find themselves taking up the mantle of adventurer, and their talents are generally appreciated in this role, but the cutpurse is still the first person her companions look to when an item goes missing.

Measure the Mark (Ex): When a cutpurse makes a Sleight of Hand check to take something from a creature, the target makes its Perception check before the rogue makes her Sleight of Hand check, and the rogue knows the Perception check result. She can decide whether or not to make the check based on the results of the target's Perception check. If the rogue elects not to make the check, she can make a Bluff check, opposed by the target's Sense Motive, to prevent the target from noticing the attempt. This ability replaces trapfinding.

Stab and Grab (Ex): At 3rd level, as a full-round action, a cutpurse can make an attack and also make a Sleight of Hand check to steal something from the target of the attack. If the attack deals sneak attack damage, the rogue can use Sleight of Hand to take an item from the creature during combat; otherwise this ability can only be used in a surprise round before the target has acted. If the attack is successful, the target takes a –5 penalty on the Perception check to notice the theft. This ability replaces trap sense.

Rogue Talents: The following rogue talents complement the cutpurse archetype: combat swipe, fast fingers, fast getaway, hard to fool, minor magic*, slow reactions*, and surprise attack*.

Advanced Talents: The following advanced rogue talents complement the cutpurse archetype: crippling strike*, fast tumble, and skill mastery*.

Investigator

Not all rogues work against the law. Investigators use their skills to serve the law, often in the employ of nobles or in the pursuit of noble causes. In some cities cabals of investigators work for rulers or bureaucracies, but often an investigator is a free agent who pursues whatever mysteries come across her path. Of course, not all investigators serve the law. Crime lords and guildmasters often have squads of investigators serving their own nefarious purposes.

Follow Up (Ex): An investigator can roll twice on any Diplomacy check made to gather information, and receives the information for both results. This takes the same amount of time as one check. If the lesser of the two checks reveals false information, the rogue is aware of it. False information is not revealed in this way if the people she questioned do not know it to be false. This ability replaces trapfinding.

Rogue Talents: The following rogue talents complement the investigator archetype: coax information, fast picks, follow clues, hard to fool, and minor magic*.

Advanced Talents: The following advanced rogue talents complement the investigator archetype: hunter's surprise, slippery mind*, and thought reexamining.

Poisoner

Some consider poisoning an evil act. The poisoner knows poison is just a tool toward an end, and is no different than any other weapon. Some poisoners see themselves as great equalizers, as they are able to craft weapons that the weakest of creatures can wield to devastating effect, but most have no lofty delusions about their work.

Poison Use (Ex): At 1st level, a poisoner is trained in the use of poison and cannot accidentally poison herself when applying poison to a blade. This ability replaces trapfinding.

Master Poisoner (Ex): At 3rd level, a poisoner can use Craft (alchemy) to change the type of a poison. This requires 1 hour of work with an alchemist's lab and a Craft (alchemy) skill check with a DC equal to the poison's DC. If successful, the poison's type changes to contact, ingested, inhaled, or injury. If the check fails, the poison is ruined. The poisoner also receives a bonus on Craft (alchemy) skill checks when working with poison equal to 1/2 her rogue level. This ability replaces trap sense.

Rogue Talents: The following rogue talents complement the poisoner archetype: distracting attack, lasting poison, surprise attack*, swift poison, and weapon training*.

Advanced Talents: The following advanced rogue talents complement the poisoner archetype: deadly cocktail, hunter's surprise, and opportunist*.

Rake

The rake is a rogue who is open about her skills and talents, often to the point of being boastful. Usually she has the protection of an important figure who finds her services useful, but sometimes her bravado is enough to keep enemies away. She is often used as a face for the group for diplomacy, gathering information, negotiations, or to gain the most lucrative contracts and quests from local authorities.

Bravado's Blade (Ex): When a rake hits an opponent and deals sneak attack damage, she can forgo 1d6 points of that damage and make a free Intimidate check to demoralize the foe. For every additional 1d6 points of sneak attack damage she forgoes, she receives a +5 circumstance bonus on this check. This ability replaces trapfinding.

Rake's Smile (Ex): At 3rd level, a rake gains a +1 morale bonus on Bluff and Diplomacy checks. This bonus increases by +1 for every 3 levels beyond 3rd. This ability replaces trap sense.

Rogue Talents: The following rogue talents complement the rake archetype: befuddling strike, charmer, honeyed words, and surprise attack*.

Advanced Talents: The following advanced rogue talents complement the rake archetype: another day, redirect attack, and skill mastery*.

Scout

Not all rogues live in the city. Scouts frequently roam the wilderness, often banding together as bandits, but sometimes serving as guides, as trailblazers, or as companions to a ranger or barbarian warrior. More comfortable with sneaking and hiding outdoors, the scout is still effective in the city and the dungeon.

Scout's Charge (Ex): At 4th level, whenever a scout makes a charge, her attack deals sneak attack damage as if the target were flat-footed. Foes with uncanny dodge are immune to this ability. This ability replaces uncanny dodge.

Skirmisher (Ex): At 8th level, whenever a scout moves more than 10 feet in a round and makes an attack action, the attack deals sneak attack damage as if the target was flat-footed. If the scout makes more than one attack this turn, this ability only applies to the first attack. Foes with uncanny dodge are immune to this ability. This ability replaces improved uncanny dodge.

Rogue Talents: The following rogue talents complement the scout archetype: assault leader, camouflage, cunning trigger, survivalist, and trap spotter*.

Advanced Talents: The following advanced rogue talents complement the scout archetype: hunter's surprise, skill mastery*, and stealthy sniper.

Sniper

Some say that the sniper is the worst kind of assassin: a killer who waits silently in the shadows and then strikes from a distance without remorse. Snipers, of course, understand that such protestations about “cowardice” and “honor” regarding their profession are in fact merely the bleatings of sheep fearing the slaughter and pay them no heed. Most snipers take pride in their formidable abilities, which allow them to take life quickly, quietly, and efficiently, then disappear into their surroundings without a trace.

Accuracy (Ex): At 1st level, a sniper halves all range increment penalties when making ranged attacks with a bow or crossbow. This ability replaces trapfinding.

Deadly Range (Ex): At 3rd level, a sniper increases the range at which she can apply her sneak attack damage by 10 feet. This range increases by 10 feet for every 3 levels after 3rd. This ability replaces trap sense.

Rogue Talents: The following rogue talents complement the sniper archetype: camouflage, snap shot, sniper's eye, and weapon training*.

Advanced Talents: The following advanced rogue talents complement the sniper archetype: defensive roll*, master of disguise, and stealthy sniper.

Spy

The best spies are like chameleons, but not only can they change their appearances to fit the situation, they can also change their personalities, allegiances, and even loves if that's what it takes to achieve their clandestine goals. Spies are the ultimate manipulators, and even those who commission their services sometimes find that they've merely served the spies' own interests.

Skilled Liar (Ex): Whenever a spy uses Bluff to attempt to deceive someone, she gains a bonus on the opposed roll equal to 1/2 her rogue level (minimum +1). This bonus does not apply to feint attempts or attempts to pass secret messages. This ability replaces trapfinding.

Poison Use (Ex): A 3rd level, a spy is trained in the use of poison and cannot accidentally poison herself when applying poison to a blade. This ability replaces trap sense.

Rogue Talents: The following rogue talents complement the spy archetype: canny observer, guileful polyglot, honeyed words, major magic*, minor magic*, and quick disguise.

Advanced Talents: The following advanced rogue talents complement the spy archetype: crippling strike*, master of disguise, and stealthy sniper.

Swashbuckler

A paragon of mobile swordplay, the swashbuckler is a rogue who focuses almost exclusively on honing her skill at arms and perfecting daring acrobatic moves and elaborate flourishes that border on performance.

Martial Training (Ex): At 1st level, the swashbuckler may select one martial weapon to add to her list of weapon proficiencies. In addition, she may take the combat trick rogue talent up to two times. This ability replaces trapfinding.

Daring (Ex): At 3rd level, a swashbuckler gains a +1 morale bonus on Acrobatics checks and saving throws against fear. This bonus increases by +1 for every 3 levels beyond 3rd. This ability replaces trap sense.

Rogue Talents: The following rogue talents complement the swashbuckler archetype: offensive defense, positioning attack, powerful sneak, and weapon training*.

Advanced Talents: The following advanced rogue talents complement the swashbuckler archetype: crippling strike*, entanglement of blades, and redirect attack.

Thug

Some criminals steal with finesse, their victims only discovering the crime when the rogue is long gone and the coin already spent. A thug, on the other hand, cares nothing for finesse. Through both threat and violence, the thug gets what she wants by the promise of force, and has no problem making good on that promise as needed.

Frightening (Ex): Whenever a thug successfully uses Intimidate to demoralize a creature, the duration of the shaken condition is increased by 1 round. In addition, if the target is shaken for 4 or more rounds, the thug can instead decide to make the target frightened for 1 round. This ability replaces trapfinding.

Brutal Beating (Ex): At 3rd level, whenever a thug deals sneak attack damage, she can choose to forgo 1d6 points of sneak attack damage to make the target sickened for a number of rounds equal to 1/2 her rogue level. This ability does not stack with itself—only the most recent duration applies. This ability replaces trap sense.

Rogue Talents: The following rogue talents complement the thug archetype: offensive defense, powerful sneak, strong impression, and weapon training*.

Advanced Talents: The following advanced rogue talents complement the thug archetype: crippling strike*, deadly sneak, and knock-out blow.

Trapsmith

Some rogues are not content with just disabling traps—they love to build them, finding a captivating beauty in the turning of gears and the slither of ropes over pulleys. The trapsmith may have started out putting together traps in order to better understand how to disable them, but for most, it's long since gone beyond that—they now relish the challenge of creating the perfect combat machine.

Careful Disarm (Ex): At 4th level, whenever a trapsmith attempts to disarm a trap using Disable Device, she does not spring the trap unless she fails by 10 or more. If she does set off a trap she was attempting to disarm, she adds double her trap sense bonus to avoid the trap. This ability replaces uncanny dodge.

Trap Master (Ex): At 8th level, whenever a trapsmith disarms a trap using Disable Device, she can bypass it even if her check did not exceed the DC by 10 or more. If it is a magic trap that allows specific creatures to pass it without danger, she can modify which creatures it allows to pass, adding her allies and restricting enemies if she desires. This ability replaces improved uncanny dodge.

Rogue Talents: The following rogue talents complement the trapsmith archetype: befuddling strike, cunning trigger, quick disable*, and quick trapsmith.

Advanced Talents: The following advanced rogue talents complement the trapsmith archetype: another day, frugal trapsmith, and skill mastery*.

Choose wisely and let me know.

[Armando]

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We're all getting plot-based job changes? Fuck yeah! /givingYygAHeadache

[Yygdrasil]

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We all

By this, you must mean... the rogues.

[cidbahamut]

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However... I'd like to allow our 2 rogues a little more individuality... considering the fact that you both seem to fight very similarly. All things considered... you could both be rangers in my book.

Hey, hey. I only bought that bow because everyone was bugging me to and I didn't want to get caught in another ranged fight where I was gonna end up sitting on my hands(unless there was another bridge to set on fire or something equally useful).

That being said... I'd like to offer you the option to become more... specialized. What this means is that I'd like you to pick an archetype version of the rogue class and build it into your character design as best you can.

The choice to do this or not is up to you. If you're perfectly satisfied with the way you are, leave him/her be... but if you'd like to be more... unique... check these out:

I'll have to look over these more later, but my gut reaction is "nope, fine as is".

[cidbahamut]

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We're all getting plot-based job changes? Fuck yeah! /givingYygAHeadache

Clearly we're all going to see Bahamut.

Dibs on Ninja throwing skills.