General Discussion

[Mezlo]

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A Prestige question for Yyg.

You made it so we couldn't take a prestige class until we hit level 10 per Yygs rules. Arcane archer says a prerequisite is +6 BAB but doesn't mention the level 10 requirement. Do I just need to be level 10 and I can take arcane archerer, or do i need to get my BAB to +6. If I need to get it to +6, is it a BAB of +6 once I hit level 10?

For instance, once i get Wizard to level 8 I'll have a +4 BAB. I could take a level in Ranger for my 9th level giving me a BAB of +5, and then once I hit my 10th level, taking a level in Arcane Archerer would put me at +6 BAB. Is that the way I'd need to go or could I get to Arcane Archerer taking all 9 levels in Wizard and then my 10th level would be in AA?

[Armando]

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From what I recall about previous Prestige Class discussions, you still need to meet any prerequisites. The level 10 thing is a house rule Yyg has; you're not allowed to switch even if you meet the prereqs early.

[Firewind]

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Yeah, it's a bit annoying really since I will qualify for Arcane Trickster when the Level Up happens but I'll be unable to take it until 10th level. Lv6-9 are going to be painful given I'll neither a good Rogue or Wizard and it will still take a few levels of AT to really make the build start shining. Oh well once I'm at like 13-14th level I should be awesome.

[Yygdrasil]

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You need to meet the prerequisites before taking the prestige class. Find a way to make your BAB +6, reach level 10 and then at "level 11" you can become a level 1 Arcane Archer. How you get to that +6 is up to you, but it needs to be your BASE attack bonus. Gear or spells that boost your Attack bonus to +6 or above don't count. The base is what matters for the prestige.

As for why I decided to house rule prestige at level 10+ onry: I took into consideration that most of you had never played D&D before... and that being the case, I wanted you to learn the fundamentals and really get used to the base classes before you started to dive into the more complex classes. That's why I limited you to the base classes and the base prestige classes. Once you get used to those, I have no problem allowing Advanced, Custom and Homebrew classes/prestige classes to be used. The base choices are fool-proof and kinda hard to fuck up. Once you dip into the fancy ones with really specific play styles, that's when you find yourself having a tough time in any encounter that is outside of your class design.

For instance, I allowed a new player to pick the class "Swashbuckler"... because he really wanted to play one. The class basically required that he be on a boat... which the campaign didn't really call for them to be on all that often. On dry land he was a sub-par fighter. On the ocean he was a god.

[Firewind]

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I can work with it, and my Arcane Trickster isn't really a combat specialist build anyway. While you can abuse the Sneak Attack rules with spells that require an attack roll (like Ranged Attack or Touch Attack spells) to keep up on damage (but to be fair spells that need an attack roll are kind of bad compared to ones that don't and I need to have 10 levels in Arcane Trickster to Sneak Attack with spells that don't require an attack roll so it does balance out), a single class Wizard will be better with magic and a single class Rogue will be better with actually martial combat.

It's more for being awesome out of combat given the amount of tricks I will have for things like scouting, infiltration and to help out with skill checks and the like. It's actually why I actually really like being between combats or in Roleplay situations because that is when my build shines.

I don't mind being utility/damage support in combat though, my character can still bring some nice tricks to the fight that nobody else can anyway. I'll let the others take putting out huge damage rolls, I'm happy with being "Indy with spells".

[Mezlo]

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We aren't restricted to "Core Rules only" for Pathfinder when selecting feats correct? We can use the "Advanced Player's Guide" guidelines?

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I'm looking at putting some levels into ranger, but i want a combat feat in the Advanced PLayers Guide because I already haev all the feats that are given in just the Core Rules...

At 2nd level, a ranger must select one combat style to pursue. The choices depend on if the Advanced Player's Guide is being used.

•If Core Rules only: archery or two-weapon combat.
•If Advanced Player's Guide allowed: crossbow, mounted combat, natural weapon, two-handed weapon, and weapon and shield).

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*edit* i have all the feats I want that are offered from the Core Rules. I think we are using the Advanced set of rules, but I'm just checking.

[Yygdrasil]

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Access to anything outside of the core rulebook needs to be cleared and OKd with me first. There just happen to be some things in there that are broken as hell that I'd like to avoid.

Check with me before using anything outside the core rules.

[Mezlo]

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At 2nd level ranger i get a combat feat. The only one that I'd want, since i have all the others, is weapon focus, and I'd want to focus on Long bow since I'll be using long bow as Arcane Archerer. Is this ok?

[Firewind]

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You might want to stick with a Heavy Crossbow since you already spent some feats to marry yourself to the weapon. You only need the longbow/shortbow proficiency to unlock the class.

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I'm also wondering why you took Focused Shot too. You can't stack it with Rapid Shot or a Full Attack since Focused Shot requires a standard action and a Rapid Shot or Full Attack requires a Full Round Action.

So you can only get the damage bonus or the extra shot, not both. Plus going by the Pathfinder rules, I'm not 100% sure if you can even use Rapid Shot until you have more than one attack due to having a BaB of 7 or more:

If you get more than one attack per round because your base attack bonus is high enough (see Base Attack Bonus in Classes), because you fight with two weapons or a double weapon, or for some special reason, you must use a full-round action to get your additional attacks. You do not need to specify the targets of your attacks ahead of time. You can see how the earlier attacks turn out before assigning the later ones.

Source: https://sites.google.com/site/pathfi...OC-Full-Attack

I'm not 100% sure if you can actually take that action to get two shots if your BaB only gives you one attack, unless Yyg ruled that it is possible at some point.

[Mezlo]

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Rapid shot has nothing to do with your BAB, the prerequisites are Dex 13, and Point Blank Shot.

"Prerequisites: Dex 13, Point-Blank Shot.

Benefit: When making a full-attack action with a ranged weapon, you can fire one additional time this round. All of your attack rolls take a –2 penalty when using Rapid Shot."

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For focused shot, I was reading that by taking an action with a ranged attack (ie attacking with my bow) I get to add my INT modifier to it. Are you saying that's not the case and it is a whole seperate attack? I thought a standard action allows me to attack and then move my distance allowed, where if I take a full round action, I can only take my 5 foot step, but I can do everything allowed in my standard actions. (Rapid shot firing 2 arrows with the -2 penalty and apply my int mod since I've taken Focused shot and no movement allowed.) I have to say I'd be concerned if this is the way we've been interpretting it and playing it now for a numebr of sessions...

"As a standard action, you may make an attack with a bow or crossbow and add your Intelligence modifier on the damage roll. You must be within 30 feet of your target to deal this extra damage. Creatures immune to critical hits and sneak attacks are immune to this extra damage."

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You might want to stick with a Heavy Crossbow since you already spent some feats to marry yourself to the weapon.

And no. Since I'm going to be taking levels in Arcane Archerer and I can only use bows with that class, I need to allocate some feats to bow. The only feat I spent on crossbow that won't crossover to bow is rapid reload.

[Firewind]

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I don't think anyone realised until now about Focused Shot. As for Rapid Shot, the rules make it sound like you need two attacks to benefit from it but it's up to Yyg as to how to interpret that I suppose.

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Anyway since you have Rapid Reload I really think you should stick to using Crossbows. They are compatible with Arcane Archer abilities, it is just you need the proficiencies in Longbow or Shortbow to unlock Arcane Archer.

[Mezlo]

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As for Rapid Shot, the rules make it sound like you need two attacks to benefit from it but it's up to Yyg as to how to interpret that I suppose.

Again, no need for interpretation it's spelled out very easily I don't understand why you are having trouble understanding it... Please read the feat description I'm posting below and note BAB is not mentioned AT ALL or is already having the ability to attack twice. I'm not sure where you are getting that from.

"Prerequisites: Dex 13, Point-Blank Shot.

Benefit: When making a full-attack action with a ranged weapon, you can fire one additional time this round. All of your attack rolls take a –2 penalty when using Rapid Shot."

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I don't think anyone realised until now about Focused Shot.

If Yyg does in fact change the way we are handling this feat, and I hope he doesn't since it has been fine until now, I'd like to select another feat. Changing the way feats are applied after they've been used in multiple sessions is shitty. If we are handling and interpretting feats a certain way and we've played with them for multiple sessions and now we are changing them is unfair. If it does change, I'd like to select another feat since that's not the way the feat has been interpreted and used by Yyg or I for multiple sessions now...

[Firewind]

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Well one of the concerns it raises is that that is the feat combination that actually produced enough damage to kill me. I'm not demanding any retroactive changes or anything, it's far too late for anything like that and I like rolling with whatever results come out of what insane ideas the tabletop has in RPGs, but if it is the case that those feats don't stack, I'm a little peeved that nobody (myself included) noticed it earlier.

[Mezlo]

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Anyway since you have Rapid Reload I really think you should stick to using Crossbows. They are compatible with Arcane Archer abilities, it is just you need the proficiencies in Longbow or Shortbow to unlock Arcane Archer.

Again, I dont think you are actually READING the descriptions of the feats and job prerequisites. Please do so. You are coming here and voicing opinions, which is good, but you're opinions aren't actualy rules and aren't fact. You've played D&D alot and I think you are trying to just rely on your memory instead of acutally reading the descriptions. Again, see below. I need a weapon focus in long bow or short bow. So i need to spend a feat on that anyways in order to unlock Arcane Archerer. I asked Yyg if i could stick with crossbow and he said no, and I'm cool with that. I'd like to get the feat of many shot with long bow anyways, which does stack with rapid shot. Go ahead and check now so we can discuss it now instead of waiting until after I've selected it and used it for 3 sessions and then you tell Yyg and I we are interpreting it incorrectly. Many shot requires rapid shot as a prerequisite and when the 1st arrow flies, 2 arrows are actually unleashed. I role 1 attack role for both arrows to hit, and then I roll 1 attack roll for the 3rd arrow. So i should have 3 arrows flying in one full attack round with 2 attack rolls. I just need to get a BAB of +6 before i can utilize many shot.

"Requirements
To qualify to become an arcane archer, a character must fulfill all the following criteria.

Base Attack Bonus: +6.

Feats: Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Weapon Focus (longbow or shortbow)."

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I like rolling with whatever results come out of what insane ideas the tabletop has in RPGs.

It sure doesnt sound like it. It sounds like you are trying to pick apart something that has been working fine for the past 3-4 sessions or whatever.

[Armando]

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I thought a standard action allows me to attack and then move my distance allowed, where if I take a full round action, I can only take my 5 foot step, but I can do everything allowed in my standard actions.

A Full Round Action isn't something you can "take" any more than you can "take" a Standard Action or a Move Action. They're categories; you take particular instances of those categories.

Focused Shot is a Standard Action. A full attack (which Rapid Shot enhances) is a Full Around Action. Standard Actions and Full Round Actions are mutually exclusive; you either use one or the other. Otherwise, I'd able to Withdraw (FRA) and still attack (SA) or Full Defense (FRA) and attack (SA).

EDIT: I'm guessing your confusion stems from the fact that a Full Attack allows you to do anything you can do with a regular attack. However, Focused Shot is not a regular attack; it's a different Standard Action altogether.