Xbox Reveal

[Etra]

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Sacking individuals isn't a solution, it's scapegoating.

No. It's curing the disease.

[cidbahamut]

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I've said it before and I'll keep saying it until you people take the hint: fucking things up on that scale is a team effort.

[Etra]

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I've said it before and I'll keep saying it until you people take the hint: fucking things up on that scale is a team effort.

Yes. Directed by individuals that you do not question. If this was a company with an American work culture, I'd agree. After working in a Japanese office for translation, I know first-hand you do not question the authority. There may be leeway with it in the realm of gaming, but I can't imagine even a small fraction of the staff telling Tanaka he's wrong. You do what you're told or get the fuck out.

[cidbahamut]

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As a consumer, I don't accept that as an excuse. I hold the entire team responsible.

If that really is the case then the entire company deserves to go down in flames with nary a tear shed at its passing.

[Malacite]

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YES!!!! I love how he threw Dishonored in there, omg total bait and switch...


But yeah, very rarely have I tried a demo and gone "Yeah, I wanna buy this" at least not recently - honestly, the last time that happend was with Valkyria Chronicles. Barely 3 minutes and I was like "Yeah, I'm pre-ordering this right away."

Kingdom of Amalur almost did it for me, as it was honestly a pretty decent demo in terms of length and quality, but in the end I passed on it.


Actually, Walking Dead had me sold as well - but I HATE episodic content, so I waited until the full release and sure enough, after episode 5 came out, 2~5 went on sale at 1/2 price and that's when I snagged 'em all.

[Icemage]

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I think Sony's got the right idea with Full Game Trials on PlayStation+. You get an entire hour of no-restrictions gameplay, no strings attached. I think that's also going to be part of their new PlayGo initiative, where you can basically partially download a game or partially install a game and start playing before it's even down downloading or installing (The Last of Us on PS3 is the first game that will have this feature, interestingly enough). This requires little to no extra effort or cost on the part of the developers, which saves money and resources for the full game, and because it's the full game code, there's no risk of a bait and switch since you're playing release code.


Icemage

[Malacite]

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As a consumer, I don't accept that as an excuse. I hold the entire team responsible.

If that really is the case then the entire company deserves to go down in flames with nary a tear shed at its passing.

Doesn't mean Etra's not right, which he absolutely is. The workplace is not a democracy in any sense in Japan, which also explains why FFXI dragged its feet for so many years - it literally was Tanaka's way or the highway. He wasn't going to take any shit from his own people, so why listen to the players?

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I think Sony's got the right idea with Full Game Trials on PlayStation+. You get an entire hour of no-restrictions gameplay, no strings attached. I think that's also going to be part of their new PlayGo initiative, where you can basically partially download a game or partially install a game and start playing before it's even down downloading or installing (The Last of Us on PS3 is the first game that will have this feature, interestingly enough). This requires little to no extra effort or cost on the part of the developers, which saves money and resources for the full game, and because it's the full game code, there's no risk of a bait and switch since you're playing release code.


Icemage

Aww so that feature is only for PSN Plus? Well, since in all likelihood (barring some miracle walking back of the DRM and Kinnect) I won't be getting an Xbox One, I can put that money I would have wasted on Live towards PSN Plus

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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YES!!!! I love how he threw Dishonored in there, omg total bait and switch...

Your inability to grasp context never ceases to amaze me.

[Icemage]

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Aww so that feature is only for PSN Plus? Well, since in all likelihood (barring some miracle walking back of the DRM and Kinnect) I won't be getting an Xbox One, I can put that money I would have wasted on Live towards PSN Plus

I'm sure PlayGo is going to be for all users, since Sony wants the PS4 experience to be as hassle-free as possible. Besides, that's not really the reason to subscribe to PS+... free* games!

(* free in that you get infinite rentals on selected titles as long as your subscription is active)

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Also, looks like Xbox One got an exclusive announced today:

Fantasia: Music Evolved, made by Harmonix (creators of Guitar Hero and Rock Band)

...yeah. I love Harmonix, but I don't think anyone really wanted a cross between Dance Central and Wii Music.

Speaking of exclusives, Microsoft said they have 15 exclusives, with 8 new IPs among them, coming to Xbox One in its first year.

Here's a quick guess at what's known:

Known:

Exclusive to Xbox (New IP):
Quantum Break from Remedy
Fantasia: Music Evolved from Harmonix
Ryse from Crytek

Exclusive to Xbox (Sequel):
Forza 5 from Turn 10

I'll add Crimson Dragon to the New IPs list since an X360 demo was accidentally released briefly in Japan last year and the game was never heard from again.

That begs the question of what the other games on Microsoft's "launch year" window of exclusives are. It's a fair assumption to bet that Halo and Gears will appear there in some form in the sequels list.

Has anyone else seen anything that would qualify?


Icemage

[Malacite]

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I'm gonna have to agree with uh, I think it was Final Bosman over at GT who said it, that we'll be lucky if even half of those IPs come out the 1st year - 15 is quite a lot especially if 8 of them are new.


Speaking of new IPs, Remember Me is getting crapped on rather hard, which is shame - There Capcom goes trying a new IP for once and it just doesn't do that well. Yet another case of an interesting concept plagued with problems on implementation (one of the worst being the constant resetting of not only progress but MENU SETTINGS if you die, wtf Capcom...)

[Taskmage]

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Fantasia: Music Evolved, made by Harmonix (creators of Guitar Hero and Rock Band)
Fantasia: Music Evolved Announcement Trailer - YouTube

...yeah. I love Harmonix, but I don't think anyone really wanted a cross between Dance Central and Wii Music.

I have no interest in this, but I would expect it to sell like gangbusters based solely on the names involved and the apparent similarity to other known products. No doubt that's exactly what the executives involved had in mind.

[Malacite]

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Relevant (sorta) in relation to all the DRM crap, and why I continue to love Blizzard in spite of their missteps;

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Has anyone else seen anything that would qualify?


Icemage

Dragon Age III Inquisition was spotted on Amazon UK for Xbox One, but promptly taken down soon after. No idea if that's an exclusive, but its EA and Bioware and they looooved the online pass/online check thing to pieces. I'm pretty much done with Bioware now, I'll just play whatever Obsidian is up to next on PC or if they team with Bethesda again for another Fallout.

[Etra]

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I hold the entire team responsible.

"fucking things up on that scale is a team effort," reads to me as, "The coders were doing what they were told."

"I hold the entire team responsible," reads to me as, "It's everyone's fault for working on the game as a team with hierarchical restrictions."

Either way, you take the lead position, you take responsibility for the fuck ups. That's how it is in adult world. No finger pointing at the peons. As the boss, you should be able to find weak points and correct it for the good of the project and company. As Square-Enix did by letting some people go.

[Malacite]

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"fucking things up on that scale is a team effort," reads to me as, "The coders were doing what they were told."

"I hold the entire team responsible," reads to me as, "It's everyone's fault for working on the game as a team with hierarchical restrictions."

Either way, you take the lead position, you take responsibility for the fuck ups. That's how it is in adult world. No finger pointing at the peons. As the boss, you should be able to find weak points and correct it for the good of the project and company. As Square-Enix did by letting some people go.

Unless you're Walmart or the Supreme Court.