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  • #76
    Re: Xbox Reveal

    The shit continues;

    Report: MS, Publishers Will Take a Cut On Sales of Used Xbox One Games | Side Mission | GameTrailers

    This past week gave us the reveal of the Xbox One, as well as a number of questions surrounding the next-gen console. The biggest concern that has people fired up this week is how Microsoft will handle its used games policy. Today, MCV reports that retailers will have to give up a portion of pre-owned game sales to Microsoft and publishers.
    Retail sources tell MCV that stores will need to be compliant with Microsoft's terms and conditions and have also agreed to use Azure, Microsoft's cloud based system that will track used games. When a customer trades in a game to an approved retailer, the system will mark the game as traded in and will deactivate the game from the customer's Xbox Live account.
    It is now somewhat clear why the Xbox One requires an online connection. Earlier this week, Microsoft's Phil Harrison has said that the console must connect online every 24 hours. The company issued a Q&A stating that the Xbox One will need an internet connection but it does not always have to be connected online.
    Currently, game stores that sell used games would pocket all profits on the transaction. With used Xbox One games, however, a percentage of the sale will go towards Microsoft and the game publisher. The retailer would then take the remainder of the sale, clearly a significant cut on profits compared to how used games sales work today.
    What does this mean if you want to buy a used game? Most likely the price of buying a pre-owned title will rise with this policy. According to a source from Eurogamer, when a customer purchases a used game, the retailer will need to cover the cost of an activation fee for that pre-owned game. Microsoft hasn't finalized what the cost of the fee will be, but an unconfirmed report by Consoledeals.co.uk has said that the fee would be £35, which is roughly $50 in US dollars.
    So it seems like the price of a used game is largely determined by how much this activation fee will cost. Also, the way this system is setup could mean you may never be able to sell your games privately on your own like on Craigslist or eBay. Well, technically you probably could, but the buyer would still have to pay an activation fee to play the game, which Phil Harrison himself has said would cost as much as the game itself. Under these circumstances, it would make no sense to sell a used video game on your own.
    "While there have been many potential scenarios discussed, we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail," a Microsoft representative tells MCV. "Beyond that, we have not confirmed any specific scenarios. Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend’s house – should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile.”
    For now, we'll just have to wait and see until Microsoft releases more details concerning used games on the Xbox One. In the mean time, we want your thoughts based on the new information received today. How do you feel about having less control over selling your games? Will it actually help the industry if Microsoft and publishers take a cut on used game sales, or is there too much backlash surrounding this controversial system that it would negate any benefits on the publisher side?
    Update: Major Nelson has issued a statement regarding today's news on the trade and resell of used games.
    "The ability to trade in and resell games is important to gamers and to Xbox. Xbox One is designed to support the trade in and resale of games. Reports about our policies for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete. We will disclose more information in the near future."
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    • #77
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      • #78
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        TV TV TV TV TV SPORTS SPORTS TV TV SPORTS DOG

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        • #79
          Re: Xbox Reveal

          Originally posted by Icemage View Post
          I'm finding it very hard not to wish that the Xbox One crashes and burns at retail, the way things are going. The whole setup just smacks of arrogance on the scale of Sony circla 2005 with their derptastic launch of the PS3, only worse. They're literally trying to redefine console gaming, and in a way that is simultaneously anti-consumer and anti-gamer.

          Leaving aside the issue of whether or not Microsoft has any compelling software to show, the concept of having a console that requires a check-in once a day or it will not work is anathema to me. It's a total dealbreaker, because that means if Microsoft decides at some point to turn off the Xbox One servers, every single one of the consoles in the wild, along with every game disc will become paperweights overnight.

          Fuck that, and fuck anyone who supports such a horrid "vision" of the future of gaming.


          Icemage
          I think any gamer worth their salt has every reason to hope Xbox One crashes and burns on a completely unprecedented scale. It is bad for the medium for exactly the reason you outlined. It's not like we weren't already having huge issues with preserving old games, but then they go and drop this thing on us? Fuck anyone who purchases this console. Fuck them with a rusty wooden spoon.
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          • #80
            Re: Xbox Reveal

            Originally posted by Icemage View Post
            I'm finding it very hard not to wish that the Xbox One crashes and burns at retail, the way things are going. The whole setup just smacks of arrogance on the scale of Sony circla 2005 with their derptastic launch of the PS3, only worse.

            I believe I said as much 3 pages ago


            EDIT: Really missing the podcast now, if only for the fun of unanimously trashing the Failbox1111one! on the show
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            • #81
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              Hey I'd be open to helping out with an XBox One podcast episode.

              And I found a new relevant Pony Pic:

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              • #82
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                And just when it seemed like the fun was over, I found this - surprised IM didn't post this when he brought up the twitter thing as its from the same page;


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                Roughly 1/3 the bandwidth and system memory speed of the PS4? Fuck you MS, it was bad enough that the 360 dumbed down the multi-platform games as much as they did this generation - the 360 and PS3 were fairly close in power, with the PS3 having a bit of an edge. This is like night and day, what the hell?!
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                • #83
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                  Just watched this week's Invisible Walls... I swear if they keep that Jeremy douche bag on the show, I'm never watching it again. Dear lord what an ass-kissing twat (there are more choice words I'd use to describe him but that would probably land me a red card or 2)


                  Marcus was the *only* voice of reason in that whole episode, ugh... thank goodness for him. Anyways, the reason I bring it up is because he brought up something I wasn't aware of; Apparently MS filed for (and got) a patent for kinect that detects how many people are watching something in a room and then shut off if it goes over whatever pre-determined paramaters. So... wtf? His supposition was we might see EULA's being enforced (shutting off a movie) if too many people are in a room?
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                  • #84
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                    Originally posted by Malacite View Post
                    I believe I said as much 3 pages ago
                    I'd have just agreed with you except that you then said this.

                    Originally posted by Malacite View Post
                    I really, really want a PS4 and possibly an XB1 at some point for Halo 5, but at the rate MS is going.... eh idk. I'm not keen on giving them any more money for XBL if if they aren't going to start adding in the kind of goodies you get with PSN Plus.
                    I can't ever trust you to stick to your principles, Mal. You'd pay the Devil himself if he offered you a game you want to play, and consequences be damned. :/


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                    • #85
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                      Major Nelson insists there is no fee for installing games second-hand, despite what conflicting reports say and that clarification will come in the "near future." MS is requiring various retailers license a system that lets your game be scrubbed from your library by way of the cloud. Xbox One must be Big Brother at all times. Watching you, hearing you, updating your game library via the cloud to make sure you're not a rotten pirate. Its just so nice to know I can't be trusted and that now a platform holder is telling me that.

                      So MS really is locking out independent game stores.

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                      • #86
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                        Originally posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten View Post
                        Major Nelson insists there is no fee for installing games second-hand, despite what conflicting reports say and that clarification will come in the "near future." MS is requiring various retailers license a system that lets your game be scrubbed from your library by way of the cloud. Xbox One must be Big Brother at all times. Watching you, hearing you, updating your game library via the cloud to make sure you're not a rotten pirate. Its just so nice to know I can't be trusted and that now a platform holder is telling me that.

                        So MS really is locking out independent game stores.
                        The key here is that the wording that says "no fee to install", but that doesn't mean anything. Install doesn't mean activate. I install games all the time on PC, but none of that means I can use the software until I register/activate it.

                        I'd bet money on Microsoft hiding behind chicanery to try and (ineptly) deflect some of the negative PR. None of the other statements they've made make any sense if used games don't require some sort of activation from Microsoft, and that process only makes any sort of sense if they're making money somewhere along the line.

                        Follow the logic:

                        * The game console needs to check the licenses for games periodically (according to Phil Harrison, ~24 hours).

                        * Why does it need to check in? Because Microsoft wants to turn it into a PC-like situation, where the game installation disc doesn't do you any good if you don't have an activation code. Now you don't need the disc to play -> convenience, right?

                        * But if we don't need the disc, then the used game is effectively as worthless as a used PC game. So now we get into this whole convoluted process of Microsoft finding some way to trade in your activation license, probably through a registered third party like GameStop. Without that, the discs are just coasters without someone literally buying an additional activation from Microsoft, which would explain Phil Harrison's comment about it costing the full price of a game.

                        * Assuming they have some way of allowing users to revoke their own licenses for the purpose of resale, I'm sure that Microsoft is charging some sort of fee to the retailer who is acting as middle-man. Trade that game in for credit, and maybe Microsoft charges $30 to GameStop, who gives you maybe $15 in credit while charging $55 for the used game with associated activation code.

                        So in this hypothetical-but-likely situation, users aren't technically being charged a fee for installing a used game, but Microsoft is still charging a fee, and the end users still have to pay for it indirectly, likely in the form of lower trade value. Also, GameStop's used game profitability on Xbox One software in this scenario becomes miniscule after considering labor and stocking costs.


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                        • #87
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                          I realize all that, I was just posting the bullshit. Major Nelson is the last guy I'd go to as a credible source since he's their personal media mouthpiece.

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                          • #88
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                            Originally posted by Icemage View Post
                            I'd have just agreed with you except that you then said this.



                            I can't ever trust you to stick to your principles, Mal. You'd pay the Devil himself if he offered you a game you want to play, and consequences be damned. :/


                            Icemage

                            Nah. I was willing to tolerate some of it, but really at this point not even Halo's keeping me on board. I do have principals, tyvm

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                            Originally posted by Icemage View Post
                            The key here is that the wording that says "no fee to install", but that doesn't mean anything. Install doesn't mean activate. I install games all the time on PC, but none of that means I can use the software until I register/activate it.

                            I'd bet money on Microsoft hiding behind chicanery to try and (ineptly) deflect some of the negative PR. None of the other statements they've made make any sense if used games don't require some sort of activation from Microsoft, and that process only makes any sort of sense if they're making money somewhere along the line.

                            Follow the logic:

                            * The game console needs to check the licenses for games periodically (according to Phil Harrison, ~24 hours).

                            * Why does it need to check in? Because Microsoft wants to turn it into a PC-like situation, where the game installation disc doesn't do you any good if you don't have an activation code. Now you don't need the disc to play -> convenience, right?

                            * But if we don't need the disc, then the used game is effectively as worthless as a used PC game. So now we get into this whole convoluted process of Microsoft finding some way to trade in your activation license, probably through a registered third party like GameStop. Without that, the discs are just coasters without someone literally buying an additional activation from Microsoft, which would explain Phil Harrison's comment about it costing the full price of a game.

                            * Assuming they have some way of allowing users to revoke their own licenses for the purpose of resale, I'm sure that Microsoft is charging some sort of fee to the retailer who is acting as middle-man. Trade that game in for credit, and maybe Microsoft charges $30 to GameStop, who gives you maybe $15 in credit while charging $55 for the used game with associated activation code.

                            So in this hypothetical-but-likely situation, users aren't technically being charged a fee for installing a used game, but Microsoft is still charging a fee, and the end users still have to pay for it indirectly, likely in the form of lower trade value. Also, GameStop's used game profitability on Xbox One software in this scenario becomes miniscule after considering labor and stocking costs.


                            Icemage

                            Of course, just like in Politics, it's all about spin and buzzwords - remember who their target demographic is with all this crap.


                            EDIT: You know, I've got a 1-year of XBL Gold voucher that I bought a while back (it was on sale for $40 which was a really good deal, basically only paying for 8/12 months) and now I can't help but wonder 2 things;

                            1) Will it still be good with Xbox One?

                            2) Wonder if I can sell it, since it's in all likelihood jut going to rot there as I've never been more disgusted with Microsoft, ever.
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                            • #89
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                              Originally posted by Malacite View Post
                              Nah. I was willing to tolerate some of it, but really at this point not even Halo's keeping me on board. I do have principals, tyvm
                              I'm going to bookmark this post and throw it in your face when you get around to admitting you bought an Xbox One because of Excuse #2812451.


                              Icemage

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                              • #90
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                                Originally posted by Malacite View Post
                                Nah. I was willing to tolerate some of it, but really at this point not even Halo's keeping me on board. I do have principals, tyvm
                                I think the fact that you'd be willing to tolerate any of it says it all.

                                Prove us wrong Mal, be part of the solution instead of part of the problem this time around.
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