PlayStation Meeting Feb. 20: See the future

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: PlayStation Meeting Feb. 20: See the future

It does baffle me that Sony thinks they would need to stream PSOne and PS2 games - and I mean Sony the games division because they would know better, this streaming nonsense executive-side chicanery from higher ups in Sony. I mean, my laptop can emulate PS2 games and Vita and 3DS get PS2 ports now.

They didn't really talk about being to transfer over PS3 digital purchases either - and that could be a real sore point for potential buyers.

[Malacite]

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I imagine we'll hear a LOT more at E3, so I can wait.

For now, they have my interest - big time.

[Firewind]

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* I don't know who managed to convince Sony to engineer 8GB GDDR5 memory, or how they managed to engineer it, but they deserve 10 raises. That is going to pay off in spades.

* Share button is awesome.

* Asking a friend for help on a hard part? That's like cheating. Do not want. Earn your own stripes, scrubs!

* I can understand PS3 compatibility not being software emulatable, but seriously PSOne? We don't need Gaikai for that. Everything on the planet can emulate PS1, and the PS4 should be able to powerlift a PS2 with ease.

* Don't give a crap about FB/Twitter/yadda/yadda integration. As long as I can turn that crap off so I don't annoy actual people, I guess it's fine.

* Vita price drop in Japan is probably a testing-the-waters thing. Not surprising they said nothing else on it until they get some sales numbers to see what the market reaction is.

* Deep Down looks like The Matrix collided with Dragon's Dogma. Pretty cool, actually.

* Surprised to see Jonathan Blow announce The Witness as an exclusive. I know he got PO'd at Microsoft after Braid, but this much?

* Everyone was expecting EA (including me). This leads me to believe that EA is going to be present in force at E3, or is being purchased by Microsoft (lol).

* Watch_Dogs coming to Wii U was sort of a mild surprise. The only question is if it will run about as terribly as Dead Rising: Chop Til You Drop on the Wii. Open world seems to be the Wii U's weakest suit given its setup, so this was a genuine surprise to me.

* Yawnkillzone.

* Diablo 3 and Destiny from Actiblizzard were as predictable as the sun rising in the morning.

* F U Square-Enix.

Does that about cover it?


Icemage

Damn you Icemage and you being in a time zone where you will be concious to watch the stream live! You pretty much beat me to what I wanted to say.

[DakAttack]

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I didn't watch the live stream. What did I miss, guys?

...

Ok, I'm all caught up. So, basically, it was an announcement of a new console with the capabilities of a low-end PC, EXCEPT THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE THE CONSOLE AND DEMOED ALL THEIR GAMES ON A HIGH-END PC. Good for you, Sony. Lies are always the best foot to put forward.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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PSN purchases will not carry over to PlayStation 4 - Destructoid

So none of your PSN gamers will cross over. Not PSOne or PS2 Classics or even PSN games.

So if I wasn't sure about buying it before, yeah, totally not buying this thing now. Sorry, but Sony can take their "future" and shove it.

Wii U had BC and full digital support day one, granted even the digital support for WiiWare and Wii VC was defaulted to Wii BC - but it was still there. Sony's not even bothering to try.

I don't think MS is going to fuck up like this. This is a real burn to the digital consumer, especially when the alternative of cloud streaming really isn't going to work out.

[Icemage]

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See, I TOLD you Sony would screw something up. They always do.

On the grand scale of things, probably not the worst thing they could have screwed up, but they'd best have a very good explanation for PS2 Classics owners. I'm still wtf over the lack of PS1 emulation though. Gaikai is simply not the answer, and emulation only has to be built once. >_>


Icemage

[Kailea]

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wow this sucks, and some of my friends wondered why I wanted physical PS2 and PSX games over the digital versions on PS3......well here is your answer ;p

[Armando]

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I wish Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft had accurate emulators on Windows/Linux/Mac (or at least just Windows) and just sold DRM'd ROMs. Porting old games to new consoles may be nice for the company's wallet, but when the console gets obsoleted you have the same fucking problem all over again.

It'll never happen, but a guy can dream.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Nah, this is the worst thing they could have screwed up. That's an investment consumers made in their network and its an investment they deserve returns on. As you said emulation only has to be built once (or in Nintendo's case, several times) and PSOne and PS2 games shouldn't really be that taxing to this kind of hardware.

Now I'm really interested to see where MS goes on this point. I didn't invest much digitally into XBLA beyond some TES expansions and Quantum Connundrum, but I can't imagine they'd just up and leave all the games they've up up on Live to the 360.

Sony better keep PS3s and Vitas in production for a loooooong time and not pull digital titles down, though. I have a feeling a lot of gamers are going to keep their relationship with Sony there and just move on to PC.

And really, wouldn't it save so much more bandwidth for everyone if they could just download these PSOne and PS2 Classics once, back them up on a PC and play them on their console or handheld instead? Video streaming a game at HD or even SD would eventually surpass the amount of data it took to download a lot of these games.

[Etra]

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So... I can't transfer my PS3 digital downloads (not just PS1, PS2, but also PS3 games?)

Bullshit.

[Firewind]

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Nah, this is the worst thing they could have screwed up. That's an investment consumers made in their network and its an investment they deserve returns on. As you said emulation only has to be built once (or in Nintendo's case, several times) and PSOne and PS2 games shouldn't really be that taxing to this kind of hardware.

See, I TOLD you Sony would screw something up. They always do.

On the grand scale of things, probably not the worst thing they could have screwed up, but they'd best have a very good explanation for PS2 Classics owners. I'm still wtf over the lack of PS1 emulation though. Gaikai is simply not the answer, and emulation only has to be built once. >_>


Icemage

From the look it it they are probably using it to really push Gaikai. It seems pretty likely that it will allow you play the PS1/2/3 games you bought from PSN on the cloud. It is also possible that they could end up releasing Software Emulation stuff anyway.

Sony and Microsoft really don't seem to be putting any value on backwards compatibility and Nintendo don't seem to care much for it either given that it's only Wii games that work on it and even then it's not the entire library that will work.

It's one of those things that might not be the biggest things they could have screwed up on in the long term as long as Sony find some way or actually making it worth it. Sure, Backwards Compatibility to PS3 games on a completely different architecture is a challenge but it is naive of them to think that people don't care about BC.

It is definitely something they're going to need to explain anyway. I'm trying to avoid a knee jerk reaction to this until we actually get an explanation. That said, dear god the fanboy rage is entertaining.

Also does this count as part of my "spectacular hardware failure" prediction?

[Icemage]

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Nah, this is the worst thing they could have screwed up. That's an investment consumers made in their network and its an investment they deserve returns on.

I don't remember a promise of the content working on anything other than a PS3. Would it have been nice? Absolutely. But I was expecting this answer if they couldn't figure out some form of hardware BC.

Realistically where it could hurt Sony is that without the PS3's vast library of software to supplement, that first year launch slate of titles on PS4 had better be truly stellar (read: not lolkillzone).

As a side note: It's going to feel downright weird seeing the PS360U versions of games like Watch_Dogs get treated like red headed step children.

Now I'm really interested to see where MS goes on this point. I didn't invest much digitally into XBLA beyond some TES expansions and Quantum Connundrum, but I can't imagine they'd just up and leave all the games they've up up on Live to the 360.

Microsoft has the exact same problem Sony has, if the rumors are true of them going x86 AMD. In fact, the rumors that have been tossed around from multiple sources indicate that Microsoft has almost the exact same processor as the PS4. While the Xbox 360 CPU is certainly less exotic architecturally than the PS3 Cell, we're still talking about entire pieces of software written in completely different instruction sets (PowerPC vs. x86), and no amount of mere software emulation will fix that without much more processing speed advantage than either the PS4 or next Xbox will have.

Sony better keep PS3s and Vitas in production for a loooooong time and not pull digital titles down, though. I have a feeling a lot of gamers are going to keep their relationship with Sony there and just move on to PC.

I've not seen Sony pull anything off their storefront. Even for items that have been removed from sale for various and sundry reasons (I have a several such on PSN), people who bought them can still access them through their Download history. Microsoft has a similar policy, by the by. They may make it impossible to find and/or purchase a particular item, but they don't remove purchases from your account if you've already managed to spend money and buy it.


Icemage

[Armando]

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Sony and Microsoft really don't seem to be putting any value on backwards compatibility and Nintendo don't seem to care much for it either given that it's only Wii games that work on it and even then it's not the entire library that will work.

Seems unfair to me to expect them to be backwards compatible 2 generations back. Also, considering that a GBA and a 3DS lets you play every single handheld Nintendo game out there, I'd say they're in pretty good shape. Plus, it's not like the PS2 had full backwards compatibility either.

[Firewind]

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Seems unfair to me to expect them to be backwards compatible 2 generations back. Also, considering that a GBA and a 3DS lets you play every single handheld Nintendo game out there, I'd say they're in pretty good shape. Plus, it's not like the PS2 had full backwards compatibility either.

If BBQ can write off the PS4 for not playing games from 4 generations ago to get across a pretty biased viewpoint, then surely I must be allowed to point out the above for the purposes of playing devil's advocate.

[Malacite]

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Apparently it's because Sony has abandoned Cell, and they "don't want to use up too many system resources with emulation" so that's why they chose the Gaikai route...


I'll be OK with it so long as Gaikai is free (unlikely...) otherwise yeah.... what the actual fuck Sony? You just couldn't resist fucking up (even if this was unintentional due to new hardware vs Cell) couldn't you?