NEPTUNE V (Victory) the next ultimate RPG!! Getting better and better!!

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: NEPTUNE V (Victory) the next ultimate RPG!! Getting better and better!!

Action RPG tends to suffice.

See, when Zelda came out its aspirations were to be a little more accessible than ye olde MUDs or vector dungeon RPG that happened prior. Miyamoto wanted a character and actions he could see for a more hands-on feeling rather than the disconnected feeling of typing in a bunch of words to get a result.

Which is more fun - seeing a crack in a wall and laying a bomb down next to it or seeing the crack in the wall of a vector dungeon, typing "bomb" and imagining the explosion?

This is why RPG purists refuse to acknowledge Zelda as an RPG - it employs action and fun in the place of drudgery and boredom.

Not that I can't get into ye olde vector dungeons, as I do have a love for Etrian Odyssey and other throwbacks, but they wear that drudgery with pride and self-depreciating humor rather than use it to snob on more modern designs from on high (unless its really, really funny to).

[cidbahamut]

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This is why RPG purists refuse to acknowledge Zelda as an RPG - it employs action and fun in the place of drudgery and boredom.

Yes, because we all know that drudgery and boredom are the defining characteristics of an RPG.

[Armando]

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He's talking about RPG purists. Old RPGs tend to be pretty fucking bad.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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You'd be amazed how many people would love RPGs to live in the stone age rather than be the adaptable framework we have today. Were those people to have their way, we'd still be up to our ears in graph paper, dice and pewter figurines rather than have games like Deus Ex, Mass Effect, Persona, Zelda, Metroid, Xenoblade, Final Fantasy VI and Skyrim.

There are people that seriously maintain that Arena, Daggerfall and Morrowind are better than Oblivion and Skyrim. They'd rather spend hours dissecting spells and senselessly grinding out the hours required to create such spells than be able to learn or have the ability to create enchanted items in a more fun and practical way.

The fact that I can create a flame-enchanted bow sooner in Skyrim than Morrowind is apparently a travesty of game design. Oh no, I must spend hours raising my destruction magic skill for the priviledge of this. Then endure the frustration of finding a grand soul gem, then the frustration of trapping a grand soul in a grand soul gem and not a common or petty soul within.

Because that's totally more fun and intellectually stimulating.

[cidbahamut]

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None of the metroid games I have played are what I would classify as an RPG. When did that change?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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None of the metroid games I have played are what I would classify as an RPG. When did that change?

It falls under the "gateway" Zelda does, though it certainly is more shoot oriented action RPG, but then, so is Mass Effect and people call that an RPG because choices.

Let's see, I explore vast dungeons in Metroid.
I discover new passages by way of tools.
I collect HP upgrades, missile tank expansions and newer, better weapons to defeat bigger, badder enemies.

Gee, RPGs aren't like that at all, ever.

Is it any wonder Batman now has EXP and uses his utility belt like Samus would?

The RPG is pretty much in every kind of game design these days in some way, shape or form.

[cidbahamut]

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It falls under the "gateway" Zelda does, though it certainly is more shoot oriented action RPG, but then, so is Mass Effect and people call that an RPG because choices.

Let's see, I explore vast dungeons in Metroid.
I discover new passages by way of tools.
I collect HP upgrades, missile tank expansions and newer, better weapons to defeat bigger, badder enemies.

So is Megaman X an RPG now too?

[Kailea]

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Dont you get it, everything is a RPG now ;p

[cidbahamut]

Re: NEPTUNE V (Victory) the next ultimate RPG!! Getting better and better!!

Dont you get it, everything is a RPG now ;p

[Armando]

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I think this guy put it best: Penny Arcade - Extra Credits – Western & Japanese RPGs (part 1)

You gotta look at the reason you play X or Y, rather than get caught up in semantics. I don't play Zelda for the same reason I play Chrono Trigger and neither do most people so lumping them into the same category is probably not appropriate.

[Firewind]

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You'd be amazed how many people would love RPGs to live in the stone age rather than be the adaptable framework we have today. Were those people to have their way, we'd still be up to our ears in graph paper, dice and pewter figurines rather than have games like Deus Ex, Mass Effect, Persona, Zelda, Metroid, Xenoblade, Final Fantasy VI and Skyrim.

There are people that seriously maintain that Arena, Daggerfall and Morrowind are better than Oblivion and Skyrim. They'd rather spend hours dissecting spells and senselessly grinding out the hours required to create such spells than be able to learn or have the ability to create enchanted items in a more fun and practical way.

The fact that I can create a flame-enchanted bow sooner in Skyrim than Morrowind is apparently a travesty of game design. Oh no, I must spend hours raising my destruction magic skill for the priviledge of this. Then endure the frustration of finding a grand soul gem, then the frustration of trapping a grand soul in a grand soul gem and not a common or petty soul within.

Because that's totally more fun and intellectually stimulating.

It's the same if you're a roleplayer. You'd be amazed as to how much elitism is there too:

• You have the people who refuse to do any sort of play by post game so everyone has to either be there or together in an IRC room. If one person can't make it then it's a session down the drain.
• You have people who refuse to do any sort of roleplaying in an MMO because it ruins immersion and would rather sit there on a MUD trying to roleplay
• You have the people in play by post games who insist that you must write X paragraphs per post even though in some situations it's impossible to pad out a response.
• You have people who refuse to play anything other than 3.5 Edition D&D (horribly broken spellcasters), or even worse, the people who will refuse to play anything other than AD&D (Basically the Baldur's gate system where combat rolls are stupidly overcomplicated and often result in you having to track dozens of modifiers in your head only to miss anyway. Probably because you forgot a modifier.) and act as though their preferred system is the epitome of roleplaying no matter how much you point out that it's just a combat system and not actually how you roleplay or the gospel you should RP by. (At my college the system was GURPS. I personally can't stand GURPS so you can guess how often I got laughed at for suggesting they at least try any other game. I was just using D&D as an example)
• You have people who go into a fit if your character design isn't 100% according to their own interpretation on the setting's lore even if everyone else thinks your character is fine.
• You have the people who will only play evil characters and whine if there are any good or *gasp* it's D&D and someone rolled a PALADIN
• Then you have the inevitable ERPers who just can't take that shit to private channels (One pair of ERPers on my old SWTOR server somehow got a fucking RANCOR involved).
• People who think they're being badass by pulling out a gun and pointing it at your character's head then whining when everyone else pulls out their weapons because you know, actions have consequences. (This DID happen the other day on SWTOR and caused about a full week of drama because that guy would not stop whining about how his character is a badass and would never have backed down and only did because the other players forced him to act "out of character" and stand down).

[jenova_9]

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The storytelling is shit and that's why it's low quality. You can back up a lack of graphics with great storytelling and good art direction, but Neptunia has neither.

Neptunia 1 has decent storytelling, and Neptunia mk2 has great storytelling.

It's miffed that you would underrated Neptunia's storytelling but you don't underrate something with more simplistic storytelling like Chrono Trigger, which has a interesting story, but it's characters and situations are not expressed as deeply as Neptunia Mk2, mew.


And Neptunia mk2 story not only has parodies and stuff but it also has philosophies that also relate to this world, mew!

ya Neptunia 1 didn't deliver its story as great as mk2 but it still has quality storytelling and moments that even mk2 doesn't include, mew.

[cidbahamut]

Re: NEPTUNE V (Victory) the next ultimate RPG!! Getting better and better!!

Neptunia 1 has decent storytelling, and Neptunia mk2 has great storytelling.

It's miffed that you would underrated Neptunia's storytelling but you don't underrate something with more simplistic storytelling like Chrono Trigger, which has a interesting story, but it's characters and situations are not expressed as deeply as Neptunia Mk2, mew.

Fuck off you cunt.

You do not speak that way about Chrono Trigger.

[Absentia]

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"My opinion is fact and yours is wrong." Is the vibe I'm getting here from people. I dunno, it's more enjoyable than Malacite's hate rants and BBQ's Atlus masturbation.

[Armando]

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Fuck off you cunt.

You do not speak that way about Chrono Trigger.

Keep it civil.