the best RPG, Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2 coming February 28! pre-order recommended!

[Armando]

Re: the best RPG, Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2 coming February 28! pre-order recommend

That's precisely why I said Queen's Blade was received like that this side of the globe. Proof of that is you can't even compute seeing or hearing anything past the boobs.

Alright Ray, humor me. Why is it an absolute must than Queen's Blade treat women like objects and insult my intelligence? What's so great about it that I should totally look past their cheap attempt to sell me sex? And don't say it's the voice acting.

That is one of the bad things about mainstream in industry, they only care about the best graphics and cinematic presentation to determine what is quality rpg.

This holds true of any genre. Also, Neptunia is worse because it's totally trying to cash in on weeaboos that like lusting over moeblobs. It skimps on presentation because they know these people are just playing it to ogle the characters.

[jenova_9]

Re: the best RPG, Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2 coming February 28! pre-order recommend

HN1 had its shortcomings, but it made up for it with likable characters, lots of character interaction and side events (you practically get a new cutscene after every story dungeon). An underlying mature story besides the parody of consoles and game industry details, battle system that is more fun and customizable than most turn based battle systems (including making your own summons with images!), lots of unique limit break-like special attacks per characters, overall very innovative story concept and great english VAs ( if you think the VAs are bad, you haven't heard Chaos Wars.

Nothing should be considered bad english VA unless it's down to CHAOS WARS level.)

Mk2 improves many things and since you haven't bothered to research things, I will list some of the great things here:

1. World Map has been improved. No longer menu based selection. It's kind of like Chrono Trigger, except with flight. (much better world map system than FFs after FF9, not counting MMOs of course.)
2. Many cutscenes now have 3-D models with more advanced animations and range of emotions!
3. Dungeon design receives major overhaul with more exciting enviornments, including more outdoor enviornments!
4. random battles are gone. Enemies wander map and can chase leader! Hitting it with a Symbol Attack gives the player's party the upper hand, and may sometimes even defeat the enemy.
5. more dungeon related stuff added, like Sharicite Symbols that trigger events, Save Points, Gathering Points that release ingredients for item synthesis, and more!
6. Battle System adjustments and improvements, upgrading to 4 battle party members!
When the player comes in contact with an enemy on the field or during an event, battle starts. Each character's turn is gauged by their AP, or Action Points. Normal attacks consume AP until the points run out, after which the character's turn ends.

Each character is also assigned SP, or Skill Points, for performing skills or activating HDD (Hard Drive Divinity) in the case of the CPUs or the CPU Candidates. Skills vary in range, effect, and attack power. One skill can be used per turn, after which the character's turn ends, regardless of current AP remaining. HDD requires 100 SP to activate. This is done by using the HDD ON command, and once activated, the character will regularly consume SP until it runs out, after which the character will revert.

Movement is gauged by a blue circle around the character. This marks the area within which the controlled character may move freely. Certain normal moves may shorten this circle, limiting further movement. The turn order of the battle is controlled with the Agility stat. The higher a character's Agility, the sooner their turn will come.

The command menu is used for performing various actions. The character may perform normal attacks, use skills, activate HDD (only CPUs and CPU Candidates), or end their turn. They may also switch between standby characters, escape from unscripted battles (dependent on Luck stat), or use items.

As in the first game, draining an enemy's GP, or Guard Points, forces that target into Guard Break mode. In this state, the defense stat and resistances of the target are significantly reduced until the enemy's GP completely recovers. Depletes faster when a Break attack is used .

Normal combos can be edited by inserting extra commands. These commands appear after the first normal attack. Normal combos branch off into three types: Rush, Heavy Hits, and Break. Rush attacks usually involve high hit counts. Heavy Hits usually deplete enemy HP faster. Break attacks usually deplete enemy GP faster. By executing certain commands in specific patterns and consuming a set amount of AP, a combo finisher called an EX Finish is performed. The type of EX Finish is usually related to the command used to execute it.

7. The Chirper serves as the main communication system in each landmass. This allows the player to view what the NPCs in that landmass are talking about. NPCs with chat bubbles highlighted in purple indicate events, leading to interesting conversations that add more to the story and characters and world!

8. Lily Rank affects relationships with Nepgear, allowing certain items to be synthesized, and can also affect endings. it can also cause certain events to occur.

9. Nepgear HDD costume customization. (which is actually useful for those that like the option to upload their own preferred colors and patterns.)

10. Landmasses have gone through total redesign. Like mentioned in #1, but it's another example how much more thought and creativity was put into HN Mk2's world than just recycling the same world design.

11. leader change is back and Mk2 has more party members that join in the story than before! HN1 is was mostly about Neptune, Compa, and IF in the adventure, but now Mk2 has new AND returning character as party members! Including Nepgear, Uni, RAM, ROM, Gust, NISA, and 5pb (increase from 3 main characters to 7 main party characters) ! Plus the original CPUs can be recruited (Neptune, Noire, Vert and Blanc), which boosts the potential party amount to 11 party members with their own unique signature moves and personalities and importance in the story!!!!!

12. This interview gives better idea of the Shares system and how it affects characters/story!
Idea Factory Answers Your Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2 Questions | Siliconera

13. new enemy designs, while other RPGs recycle the exact same monsters, HN Mk2 brings more NEW bestiary designs than just classic enemy designs! Also multiple brand new villains are designed instead of just 1 or 2 antagonists.

14. Many new NPCs add more to the story, lore and character interaction! This includes the 4 Oracles, Histoire, Kei, Mina, and Chika.

Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2

15. Attributes that actually have more value! Agility increases can boost how soon the next turn comes up, Luck can increase the chances of escaping a non-scripted battle, TEC can increase attack accuracy, etc.! The official website SYSTEM section goes in-depth with how Item Synthesis works!

16. MANY BATTLE SKILLS. Many RPGs these days are one trick ponies when it comes to battles, but HN Mk2 allows you to personalize your own style of fighting with more abilities and options! The combo system is like a evolutionary version of Chrono Cross or Xenogears, Different buttons actually have different unique functions! example: Triangle = Rush (high hit counts), Square = Heavy Hits, X = Break. Each character has their own UNIQUE commands! Party abilities uniqueness is rare these days.

17. as 16 hinted, you will be doing A LOT more than just hitting X in battles. ^_^ Skills can even have strategic range values!

17. Revised Status Ailments system! classic and new status effects have been added.

18. Switch system adds more party possibilities, while the party cap is 4, each battle member can have a partner to TAG TEAM with, which technically allows 8 party members to participate in battles, 4 at a time, mew!

So you see, mew! This is much much more than a visual novel, and rivals the best RPGs out there, especially modern RPGs that lack the golden age of RPG qualities!

[Armando]

Re: the best RPG, Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2 coming February 28! pre-order recommend

Mk2 improves many things and since you haven't bothered to research things, I will list some of the great things here:

1. World Map has been improved. No longer menu based selection. It's kind of like Chrono Trigger, except with flight. (much better world map system than FFs after FF9, not counting MMOs of course.)
2. Many cutscenes now have 3-D models with more advanced animations and range of emotions!
3. Dungeon design receives major overhaul with more exciting enviornments, including more outdoor enviornments!
4. random battles are gone. Enemies wander map and can chase leader! Hitting it with a Symbol Attack gives the player's party the upper hand, and may sometimes even defeat the enemy.
5. more dungeon related stuff added, like Sharicite Symbols that trigger events, Save Points, Gathering Points that release ingredients for item synthesis, and more!
6. Battle System adjustments and improvements, upgrading to 4 battle party members!
When the player comes in contact with an enemy on the field or during an event, battle starts. Each character's turn is gauged by their AP, or Action Points. Normal attacks consume AP until the points run out, after which the character's turn ends.

So basically nothing that hasn't been done in the past 15 years. Reminds me of when Domino's was advertising that their pizzas no longer taste like ketchup and cardboard, and that they're now using real cheese.

So you see, mew! This is much much more than a visual novel, and rivals the best RPGs out there, especially modern RPGs that lack the golden age of RPG qualities!

Nope. Don't see how it's better than Super Mario RPG.

[Icemage]

Re: the best RPG, Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2 coming February 28! pre-order recommend

I laughed really hard at the presence of Neptunia Mk 2 being mentioned in the same breath as Super Mario RPG.

P.S. FFXIII-2 is a better RPG than HDN Mk 2. Bring it.


Icemage

[jenova_9]

Re: the best RPG, Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2 coming February 28! pre-order recommend

Mew! certain aspects of RPG still work and still accepted today, mew! And still much better formula than bad rpgs like XIII-2 is taking the genre!

I laughed really hard at the presence of Neptunia Mk 2 being mentioned in the same breath as Super Mario RPG.

P.S. FFXIII-2 is a better RPG than HDN Mk 2. Bring it.


Icemage

That is not true, mew! XIII-2 has horrible story, less significant characters, the worst ending, even more unexplained things, even Kingdom Hearts makes more sense, boring battle system, monsters that lack of the charisma of Pokemon and also lack the significance of actual people as party members, more characters wasted, previous heroes have less involvement, nothing fun and collecting everything is not worth it! All you get is a bigger trolling scene, mew! Also the gameplay is one trick pony and battles get redundant faster than turn based RPGs with more battle abilities and options.

No true battle uniqueness between the only two party characters other than different weapons/super move, with Roles being shared.

Also some of the worst dialogue and writing in history, mew! Hyperdimension Neptunia's dialogue and writing is more intelligent and a masterpiece compared to FFXIII-2,

and even FFXIII is a far better story and rpg than FFXIII-2 despite being extra linear, it actually had more characters worth caring about and moments that are more memorable and battles that had more flavor to them with more significant party members, summons, etc.

FFXIII-2 looks like it was made by an alliance between Uwe Boll and Motomu Toriyama. It's the most hollow Final Fantasy of all time. Not to mention they are selling the Coliseum content and parts of the story separately.

So there, mew.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: the best RPG, Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2 coming February 28! pre-order recommend

I find it amusing J9 takes issue with preorder DLC when NISA is utterly shameless about DLC in ways that are even beneath Capcom and EA.

[jenova_9]

Re: the best RPG, Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2 coming February 28! pre-order recommend

I find it amusing J9 takes issue with preorder DLC when NISA is utterly shameless about DLC in ways that are even beneath Capcom and EA.

oh mew now that is massive exaggeration mew! Funny you would bash NISA DLC, but you forgive Square Enix naughty XIII-2 DLC milking plans! At least Neptunia has a complete and cheerful story on disk instead of separately as DLC/books.

Also any extra DLC (like quests, costumes, etc.) are not as extreme as what Square Enix is doing with XIII-2, or what Capcom has been doing with fighting games, mew!

[Raydeus]

Re: the best RPG, Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2 coming February 28! pre-order recommend

Alright Ray, humor me. Why is it an absolute must than Queen's Blade treat women like objects and insult my intelligence? What's so great about it that I should totally look past their cheap attempt to sell me sex? And don't say it's the voice acting.

Your mind is already set in stone. Why do you even bother?

That is very wrong, mew. The PS3 capabilities does not dictate the artistic presentation of a story and its cutscenes. People that only consider more advanced cutscenes as are just graphics fanatics dependant on state of the art eye candy.
But that isn't what gaming is really about, mew.

That is one of the bad things about mainstream in industry, they only care about the best graphics and cinematic presentation to determine what is quality rpg. That's why garbage like FFXIII-2 sells despite the poor writing and bad design choices because they have the most advanced eye candy to distract people from its story, character and gameplay flaws. Big budget rpgs like FFXIII and XIII-2 have even more shallow gameplay, story full of holes and unfun character interaction, and less significant characters than a lot of rpgs out there. Not to mention the most depressing finale in a Final Fantasy sequel.

It's not that extreme nyaa! Eye candy doesn't make a good game, but the way I see it subpar graphics can break one.

My point is, look at something like this:

And tell me the IF/CH couldn't have done something waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than they did, more than 3 years after a game like Valkyria. I like visual novels as much as any other aniotaku wannabe, but they are for the PSP or the PS2. Heck, even Black Rock Shooter had better dialog cutscenes... on the PSP. orz

It was a wasted opportunity. Neptune may be enjoyable, but it could've been epic with the proper development.



PS > And my dislike for everything SE has made (except for Crisis Core and maybe Type-0) after X-2 should be more than enough proof I don't just care about graphics.
PPS > XI doesn't count.

[jenova_9]

Re: the best RPG, Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2 coming February 28! pre-order recommend

But the graphics and presentation fit, mew!

Even now, people would for example greatly buy and play a 8-bit Megaman 11, if there was one and the gameplay holds up, mew.

but ya, I understand Neptunia can become even better, maybe with a MMLegends format, or KH format, but still keep the characters, lore and humor intact.

[Armando]

Re: the best RPG, Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2 coming February 28! pre-order recommend

Your mind is already set in stone. Why do you even bother?

If you weren't planning on defending that point, why did you bring it up? You already knew most people don't take it seriously even before you posted.

but ya, I understand Neptunia can become even better, maybe with a MMLegends format, or KH format, but still keep the characters, lore and humor intact.

Make up your mind. You claim Neptunia's battle system is so much "deeper and complex" than KH's, so why in the world you want a KH style Neptunia game?

[Raydeus]

Re: the best RPG, Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2 coming February 28! pre-order recommend

There is a shapeshifing bunny girl named Melona that shoots acidic milk from her breasts.

Your argument is invalid.

Let's just be thankful she decided to take the shape of a girl. Because, had she decided to be a dude... <_<;

/shudder


PS > In Japanese she is voiced by Kugimiya Rie, the seiyuu for Shana and Haruka from Ryu ga Gotoku among many others.

[jenova_9]

Re: the best RPG, Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2 coming February 28! pre-order recommend

You claim Neptunia's battle system is so much "deeper and complex" than KH's, so why in the world you want a KH style Neptunia game?

Because there are positive flavors between both types of gameplay! KH2 is known for jumping and stylish action rpg flavor, and that would be exciting for a HN Mk3 to explore, just as they have explored traditional random encounter turn battles, and more advanced turned based battle systems, mew! They could give quality action rpg style a try!

Even though KH2 combat style is more simplistic, it's undeniably flashier (which is one of the reasons its gameplay sold millions). But one thing to point out with a KH flaw that a Mk3 should not adopt, is the strict leader nature of KH, of course like FFXII, Secret of Mana, and other RPGs, there should still be leader switch option to provide more diversity and playable choices! as well as maintaining wide party selection and party customization! Just include good lock-on and and right stick camera control, and the camera won't be an issue, mew!

Also I think a good action rpg style could make Neptunia more appealing to the rpg masses!

[jenova_9]

Re: the best RPG, Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2 coming February 28! pre-order recommend

mew! someone shared a guide to get best cutscene! =^^=

For True cutscene
- Recruit all goddesses, requires at least 50% share in the main city
- Main city share must be at least 80% for that landmass
- Have all party members at least at Lily Rank 4
- Each landmass must have at least 15% of the world share
- World share for CFW must be under 40%
- All of the above must be done before the end of chapter 5

[jenova_9]

Re: the best RPG, Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2 coming February 28! pre-order recommend

"I-I didn't make this for you or anything. I just happened to have some left over, and I need to give it to SOMEBODY! J-just take it, okay?"

http://www.compileheart.com/neptune/blog/image9.jpg

Sooooo kawaiiiiii! =^^=

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: the best RPG, Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2 coming February 28! pre-order recommend

A holiday created by marketers to make you feel bad for being single is depressing enough, let's not associate this terrible game with it, too.