Nintendo finally reveals the Zelda Timeline in Hyrule Historia collectors book.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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What became of Navi is a total mystery. She just took off after the Master Sword was returned.

[Icemage]

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Why even bother having a timeline for Legend of Zelda? There are so many internal inconsistencies in the story from one game to the next that no matter how you try to reconcile them, it still makes no sense.

Personally, I think they'd have been better off just leaving the question open-ended. Some questions don't need answers. Now they're going to have rabid fanboys criticizing them the moment they step away from "continuity".

Also: I'm glad Navi went away. THE most annoying character in the entire series.


Icemage

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Aonuma or Miyamoto could just pull an JJ Abrams and reboot the whole series if they wanted to. Pretty sure no one would get up in arms if they did, either. Aonuma also said they don't really worry about where a Zelda takes place in the history until they're happy with the concept of the new Zelda game and how they want it to play.

Miyamoto also made an interesting comment about collaborating with Retro Studios on a Zelda game. Additionally ts worth noting that Zelda has had collaborations with Capcom in the for three entries of the series - the Oracle games and Minish Cap. So its not like either of those partners would have trouble working inside the timelines or expanding the mythos, either.

I also think NIntendo has proven they don't give a damn what the fans think when it comes to the directions they take the series, which is actually a good thing.

[Armando]

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K, I stand corrected on the Link to the Past bit.

... or he defeats Ganon, then gets lost in the Lost Woods and becomes a Stalfos.

But this would lead to exactly the same outcome as Wind Waker; Hyrule was flooded because Link wasn't around at the time Ganon broke out again.

I know he sails off on a raft at the end of them, but the old manuals distinctly say after restoring the Triforce and saving Hyrule was when he got lost at sea on a journey to further hone his skills. Plus Nightmare manifested the forms of enemies from LTTP and LA, nothing from the Oracle game.

Link's Awakening doesn't have to make sense, it had cameos from Shy Guys, Kirby, Chain Chomps, Peach and Wart. The nightmare's incarnations are just cameos too. I wouldn't read too much into that.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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K, I stand corrected on the Link to the Past bit.But this would lead to exactly the same outcome as Wind Waker; Hyrule was flooded because Link wasn't around at the time Ganon broke out again.

That future never happened for OOT's ending, which starts the child timeline. Zelda sent Link back before the time he actually touched the Master Sword and I think the only memories he had of anything were the people he met as a child - which is the other five sages. OOTs ending shows those sages were still awakened. Twilight Princess suggests those sages decided to execute Ganondorf in a desert temple, but when the deathblow came he survived because the Triforce of Power chose him and he broke lose and ended snuffing out one of those sages. They sealed him away in the Twilight Realm as a last ditch effort to get rid of him.

[Raydeus]

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Also: I'm glad Navi went away. THE most annoying character in the entire series.

Says the horse killer... (-_- )

[Icemage]

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Says the horse killer... (-_- )

Eh? You have me confused with someone else. I have never killed a horse in Skyrim.


Icemage

[Raydeus]

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I've got 2 horses killed by someone called Ice Mage something something. Coincidence? I don't think so.


PS Navi

[Raydeus]

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Very appropriate for the current discussion.

Re-posting this on the Live action videos, for obvious reasons.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I've gotten off-track with lots of business over the holidays, but i'm back on Skyward Sword.

From where I am in the game now, which is probably the final series of quests before the final dungeon and boss, there's big a big twist that kinda ties the entire series together in an interesting way. Kinda like what MGS3 did for Metal Gear I guess you could say.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Skyward Sword Spoilers

Speaking of the Tri-Force, am I the only one who got uber excited that for once, we actually get to use the damn thing?! Naturally I also facepalmed when Link just haphazardly left it there to venture into the past, completely unguarded and of course at no point does anyone stop and say "Hey, what if we take the Tri-Force back in time and just use it again to wipe out Demise in that time period as well?"

That is, unless there's some kind of silly limitation on what is allegdly the most powerful item in all creation - matter of fact don't they explicitly state in game that it has infinite power, or something to that effect?

Whatever. Kinda cool to see how the whole mythos originated, though it was somewhat disappointing to find out that Ganon is just one of many never-ending reincarnations of Demise.

Now that I've actually finished the game I can go back and read this.

There's a rule to the Triforce - you get one wish with the completed set and one only. Just so I don't have to go into spoiler tag mode, in Wind Waker the king got to the Triforce before Ganondorf could access it and made his wish in that time. In OOT, Ganondorf got his wish because he got to the Triforce before Link and so he got to rule Hyrule.

Additionally, the Triforce doesn't just sit there forever after its used. It just as this tendency to hide itself or get broken down into pieces and divided up. After the king made his wish in WW, it just took off on its own and hid itself.

Also, regarding the Big Bad and other big bads. They're not all connected. As far as I can tell Vaati, Majora, Bellum, Malladus and Nightmare bear no connection at all.

Well, Malladus is plausible, he has some similarities, but he also got his ass kicked without the Master Sword.

[Armando]

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Finished the game last night, that was amazing.

Additionally, the Triforce doesn't just sit there forever after its used. It just as this tendency to hide itself or get broken down into pieces and divided up. After the king made his wish in WW, it just took off on its own and hid itself.

The Triforce will only split if the person making the wish doesn't embody all 3 of its elements. I think they mentioned it in OoT if I remember right. That's why it almost always splits when Ganondorf uses it.

In fact, in Skyward Sword...

Impa or Zelda, can't remember which, said she'd hide the Triforce now that their mission is over, to keep it from falling into the wrong hands.

Also, the Zelda 2 backstory revolved around the fact that the King of Hyrule could use the Triforce freely but neither his son or daughter could use the completed Triforce.

Just so I don't have to go into spoiler tag mode, in Wind Waker the king got to the Triforce before Ganondorf could access it and made his wish in that time. In OOT, Ganondorf got his wish because he got to the Triforce before Link and so he got to rule Hyrule.

I'm pretty sure two separate people can wish on the Triforce without having to reassemble it, if it stays assembled - Link uses it at the end of A Link to the Past after Ganondorf used it to rule the Sacred Realm, and the king from Zelda 2 supposedly used it freely. Ganondorf couldn't use it in Wind Waker because it split after the king's wish, which just means that king didn't bear all its qualities.

Also, regarding Twilight Princess: I remember that the sages tried to kill Ganondorf, but shouldn't the sages only be awakened in the Adult Timeline, not the Child Timeline? It's been a really long time since I last beat OoT so I don't remember fine details like that.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Also, regarding Twilight Princess: I remember that the sages tried to kill Ganondorf, but shouldn't the sages only be awakened in the Adult Timeline, not the Child Timeline? It's been a really long time since I last beat OoT so I don't remember fine details like that.

The end events of OOT show the Sages awakened in the Child Timeline, which is what leads to Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess. Keep in mind that Link returned to the past knowing things he otherwise wouldn't. Even if his memories were that of his childhood, it was enough to know who the sages were because he met each one as a child, too.

EDIT:

I actually went back and played through the ending of OOT on my 3DS. I overlooked that Malon from Lonlon Ranch was grown up, as was Princess Ruto.

That makes that part of the ending the Adult Timeline, leading to Wind Waker.

After that little celebration, there's the scene with Link back in the Temple of Time after having returned the Master Sword. He appears quite aware that he's a child again, so he quite likely did retain all knowledge of his adventure and knew to inform Zelda and the Sages of Ganandorf's plot.

So my general idea still holds, just a small oversight on that ending.

[Kailea]

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Zelda makes my head hurt..........

My mind was innocent and I loved all the Zelda games..... but now, it is dark, and sinister, and scary.......

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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By themselves, Zelda games are the closest thing to a wholesome Disney flick that video games can get.

Placed together, its fantasy dystopia with alternate realities, one more depressing than the other two.

I'd still argue that Majora's mask is the darkest the series ever got, though. Twilight Princess didn't even venture as close to the surreal as MM and LTTP did. Skyward Sword's darkest moments pertain more to just raw badassery on the evil side of things than anything Link experiences in his own mind.