PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

[Malacite]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

It WOULD be pretty funny though if all of a sudden nintendo got inundated with ban notices for vulgarity/racism over something stupid like Mario & Sonic ROFL (or any game - I'd just love to see how they would handle that crap)

[Icemage]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

Yeah, but the majority of PS3 users don't have a mic either.

And Wii users do? There's what... maybe a dozen games total that support Wii Speak? 360 only has as many as it does because the console comes shipped with a (terribly cheap and vaguely usable) headset.

I get that you're joking, but seriously, Nintendo needs to get that stick out of their behind about this if they're serious about wanting to bring back all the people who have drifted away from the Wii because it has a simply awful online infrastructure.


Icemage

[Malacite]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

Yeah, but the majority of PS3 users don't have a mic either.

Plus I'm pretty sure there's a much higher concentration of those little turds on 360.

I was half-kidding anyway.

[Icemage]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

I can see it now - a bunch of high-pitched 10 year olds yelling over the mics, calling each other niggers over a game of Mario & Sonic at the Olympics.

orz

That hasn't happened over LittleBigPlanet 2, which has voice chat and is just as "kid-friendly" as you could ask for.


Icemage

[Malacite]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

I can see it now - a bunch of high-pitched 10 year olds yelling over the mics, calling each other niggers over a game of Mario & Sonic at the Olympics.

orz

[Icemage]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

I don't mind that at all and I appreciate their stance and what they want to be known for. Distinguishing oneself from the competition has gone the way of the dodo bird in recent years now that every single company are offering the same kinds of services and products and trying to represent the same kinds of demographics, marginalizing those that do not fit in those particular stereotypes.

However, that doesn't mean that they can't expand their offerings and let's face it, those same "kids" that grew up on the Wii, if Nintendo want to promote "brand loyalty", they need to offer to that demographic something that would serve them better.

Nintendo needs to look at Disney to see how you can keep the family-friendly image while still offering other types of content. Their insistence on making every single product offered fit this motif is going to hurt them as each generation grows up. Sure, Mario games are still fantastic, and there's certainly some value in nostalgia but Nintendo simply can not win back the hardcore by putting their faith in the likes of Activision and EA to bring the more mature audiences to their console. It's just not going to happen when those are multiplatform publishers, particularly when Nintendo's recent track record with 3rd party software sales is so tarnished.


Icemage

[Aeni]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

because I don't think Nintendo will ever decide to lose their "family friendly" brand image.

I don't mind that at all and I appreciate their stance and what they want to be known for. Distinguishing oneself from the competition has gone the way of the dodo bird in recent years now that every single company are offering the same kinds of services and products and trying to represent the same kinds of demographics, marginalizing those that do not fit in those particular stereotypes.

However, that doesn't mean that they can't expand their offerings and let's face it, those same "kids" that grew up on the Wii, if Nintendo want to promote "brand loyalty", they need to offer to that demographic something that would serve them better.

[Icemage]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

If Nintendo can't deliver then I fear for how well Wii U is going to fare. I mean, comparing it to XBL, PSN and Steam (I added Steam here because I'm not sure what's going to happen in the future and whether or not they'll end up partnering with Apple/Google for gaming devices in the home .. you know it's possible with pairing of Apple TV/Google TV)

Nintendo can't seem to get their act together in the online arena. They simply have no expertise at it, no idea how to manage their online service, and no clue how people are actually interacting online. I've already mentioned how their Achilles Heel is their devotion to their brand image, and I still think that's going to be their downfall in the next generation if they abandon their Blue Ocean strategy, because I don't think Nintendo will ever decide to lose their "family friendly" brand image.


Icemage

[Aeni]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

No no no... we don't want monthly subscription fees... especially not for any of Nintendo's crappy services. I understand the convenience of being able to play any Virtual Console game, but keep in mind they haven't released any good virtual console games for months. How would you like to be paying $10/month for that?

Call me naive but I did preface by saying that IF they could provide ALL (as in, what they own licenses to) of the older games and have the ability (within the Wii U) to play them that I wouldn't mind subbing to that service. And downloadable game is pretty much the future (w/ DLC and all that) so it's not much we can do to stop the trend.

If Nintendo can't deliver then I fear for how well Wii U is going to fare. I mean, comparing it to XBL, PSN and Steam (I added Steam here because I'm not sure what's going to happen in the future and whether or not they'll end up partnering with Apple/Google for gaming devices in the home .. you know it's possible with pairing of Apple TV/Google TV)

[Cheezeman3000]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

I would not mind paying $9.95 a month to download unlimited games to the Wii U via emulation (i.e., SNES, N64, etc) They could do this as a Retro Gamer service and then provide the additional "per download" pay for service for current games.

No no no... we don't want monthly subscription fees... especially not for any of Nintendo's crappy services. I understand the convenience of being able to play any Virtual Console game, but keep in mind they haven't released any good virtual console games for months. How would you like to be paying $10/month for that?

I think for the Wii U to have a successful online store they need to...
A. Make the shop a huge part of the main interface. Advertise the shit out of new downloadable games on the Wii U home screen and have the shop not be a separate app, but instead a part of the main OS.
B. Make "Nintendo ID's" that link to all systems you own (will have to do a 3DS update) and allow you to download all games linked to that ID.

Really. That's it. I don't think it would be too difficult to get this set up, considering every single company these days that deals with digital downloads follows the "purchases linked to ID" model.

[Aeni]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

What I really wish is that Nintendo seriously think about their online service and make sure it is a worthwhile service to pay for. I would not mind paying $9.95 a month to download unlimited games to the Wii U via emulation (i.e., SNES, N64, etc) They could do this as a Retro Gamer service and then provide the additional "per download" pay for service for current games. This could be something that can enhance the total Wii U system instead of just being a one-off novelty.

[Kailea]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

I think this is a coin flip, at least until we hear something more concrete from Nintendo.

On the one hand, you've got the Wii, where it's literally impossible to move purchase licenses from one machine to another without sending hardware back to Nintendo. So if you buy a Black Wii to replace a White one - even one that still works - you can't get your Virtual Console purchases moved over without sending BOTH units back to Nintendo (and getting charged a "repair" fee, which currently runs somewhere on the order of ~$80).

yeap happened to me, I had about 200$ worth of VC/WW stuff on my original white Wii, and it met....an...acident -.-

open window + 4 stories + wii + ground = something that does not even look like a Wii anymore. (and no I did not throw it out the window, we where cleaning, and his TV is next to the Window, and the Wii was next to the TV...I bumped it -.-)

I was mad and so I tossed it out and when I returned from my trip, I got me another one at work, called Nintendo and they would not do it since I did not have the old Wii anymore (even though I could verify and they could as well all my VC/WW stuff -.-)

So I lost it all, but they sent me a free copy of StarFox 64 3D as a "jester of kindness" and to be honest, the rep used this phrase so much, that it started to get annoying.

It is cool that they gave me something for the trouble, and I wont lie, I am enjoying the hell out of the game, but it still sucks ;p


I am going to rebuy at least my Wiiware stuff, but I better be able to transfer it to my Wii U -.-

[Icemage]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

Damn that sucks! I had heard it would upscale as well, must've been the same incorrect source. I'm hoping we can transfer saves from our memory cards to it like we could with the PS2-PS3... however I'm not expecting it.

Possible, but....

Speaking of, I'm really hoping our Wii Virtual Console library and saves are transferrable. If not, I'm going to be fairly pissed. They really need to get a unified online system together.

I think this is a coin flip, at least until we hear something more concrete from Nintendo.

On the one hand, you've got the Wii, where it's literally impossible to move purchase licenses from one machine to another without sending hardware back to Nintendo. So if you buy a Black Wii to replace a White one - even one that still works - you can't get your Virtual Console purchases moved over without sending BOTH units back to Nintendo (and getting charged a "repair" fee, which currently runs somewhere on the order of ~$80).

On the other hand, you've got the DSi Transfer Tool for the 3DS, which lets you move your purchases from a DSi to a 3DS, which does work.

In theory, Nintendo could probably launch a "Wii U Transfer Channel" app on the Wii so that Wii U owners can sync up and transfer their purchases from their Wii to the Wii U.

All that said, I still think they really need a unified login per user, and for some reason completely outside of my perception, they don't want to do it. Even the 3DS doesn't have a unified login, which is just bananas.

With the upcoming Vita, for example, I know that out of the box it will be able to play hundreds of PSN titles, including classics like FFIX. With the upcoming Wii U, I have no idea what the hell it's gonna be able to play, nor do I have any faith in Nintendo to make it convenient by any sense of the word to transfer what we purchased on the Wii.

Ugh.

It's a little too early to be ultra-skeptical. The technology "should" be possible to do these things. Whether Nintendo actually puts out the effort to do so remains to be seen.


Icemage

[Malacite]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

Mal, are you smoking something, or are you too young to actually remember the consoles you're talking about and just spouting nonsense to try and sound knowledgeable?

Eh I was only like 10 or 11 I think when N64 came out, but I don't remember NES games ever being that high.

My SEGA CD system on the other hand, holy shit that thing was expensive when we got it...

[Cheezeman3000]

Re: PS4 to Launch in 2013, Xbox 720 to launch in 2014

Click on my link (that's why "no it won't" is underlined).


Icemage

Damn that sucks! I had heard it would upscale as well, must've been the same incorrect source. I'm hoping we can transfer saves from our memory cards to it like we could with the PS2-PS3... however I'm not expecting it.

Speaking of, I'm really hoping our Wii Virtual Console library and saves are transferrable. If not, I'm going to be fairly pissed. They really need to get a unified online system together. With the upcoming Vita, for example, I know that out of the box it will be able to play hundreds of PSN titles, including classics like FFIX. With the upcoming Wii U, I have no idea what the hell it's gonna be able to play, nor do I have any faith in Nintendo to make it convenient by any sense of the word to transfer what we purchased on the Wii.

Ugh.