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    In doing a lot of questing, you'll find that both sides of the conflict are willing to get their hands extremely dirty, as the civil war story does seep into other storylines on occasion. For example, General Tullius and Ulfric Stormcloak have an interest in the rather corrupt city of Markarth, which the Silver-Blood family has great influence over and will pretty much imprison anyone and throw them in the prison mines if they ask to many questions.

    If you've encountered the Forsworn, there's a bit of a story there and the initial quest is triggered in Markarth after you walk in.

    The civil war is ultimately a flavor event and just pick whoever you sympathize the most with, because honestly both sides are incredibly dirty. Do you want to support a weakened Empire that is now the puppet of a Elven supremacist regime or the strongly nationalistic and racially distrustful (at least to elves, though Khajit and Argonian don't get it much better) Stormclocks? Even with those facts aside, there are the ideals other NPCs hold - from the simple desire to protect your home and way of life, to living in unified empire.

    The Stormcloaks aren't exactly inherently racist, its more to the end that a group of real racists came in one day and started telling them how to live and act. The Aldimiri Dominion hates all non-elven races and that pretty much includes all elves that aren't High Elves, too. By the same token, the Empire wasn't exactly given a choice about abolishing Talos worship or have any say in what the Thalmor Justicars of the Dominion do. They don't really like the Dominion, but they did lose the war to them.

    As Dovahkin, they'll both want you on their side, even if they hate your race otherwise.

    People seem to decide based on who they perceive as the most racist, but the world is never really that black and white. The Stormcloaks want pure unadulterated freedom, which comes with a lot of risk and the Empire just wants to restore order at the expense of any real recognizable freedom it once held as they did under the Septims line of Emperors.

    If they do expansions that go back into Cyrodil and Morrowind, I think you'll find which side you chose in Skyrim really doesn't matter as there are other problems and conflicts taking place across the land under different motives.

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      Yeah, that is basically it. I suspect the party lines are drawn based on who you first decided to follow after the attack on Helgen. I followed Hadvar. And so a lot of the early dialogue was from an Imperial sympathizer point of view. Meanwhile, you're being attacked by Stormcloaks, largely portrayed as little more than thuggish bandits. Then you are off to Whiterun, a hold that is largely prosperous because of their (admittedly loose) allegiance to the Empire. Maybe they thought, by setting you up to be executed by the Empire in the beginning, you'd be more inclined to join the Stormcloaks. But honestly, when you're first thrusted into the game, you're apparently just somebody trying to sneak across the border and really have no idea what's going on in Skyrim.

      Anybody want to tell me what happens if you follow that other guy who is not Hadvar?
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        Its just the opposing side of the same scenario, in which the Imperials - including the woman who shouted you to the chopping block - attack youl Both NPCs you follow out have family and friends in Riverwood that help you get started, talk about you going to Whiterun and such. If you come across Stormcloaks on the road or sympathizers and they speak of going to Winterhold to join Ulfric, the Miscellaneous quest is just dropped into you log like the Imperial side was. The guys you followed out of Helgen will also be contacts within the civil war story.

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          The Dragonborn can't really win, huh. Just finished the Civil War quests. In my continuity, some history books will remember the Dragonborn of this era as the Nord that sold Skyrim out to the elves.
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          • Re: Elder Scrolls SKYRIM

            Originally posted by Ketaru View Post
            The Dragonborn can't really win, huh.
            Yes they can. Grey Beard approach, remain neutral and just be awesome because you're the goddamn Dovahkiin.
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              Eh, there's always the expansions. Dovahkin's story isn't over.

              I got to meet my past self, the Hero of Kvatch. He was busy doing the fishstick.

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                So what is it that affects how certain NPCs react to your playstyle? Is it primarily your actions or the particular perks you've selected? Or is it just what you have equipped at the moment?

                I've often have guards making comments to me like "Destruction magic's fine. Just don't go burning down any buildings" or "Don't think you can barter with me like those shopkeepers." I'm suspecting the second one is related to having Speech perks. Then there's "Think you can enchant my sword? Dull thing can barely cut butter." Is that because I have Enchanting perks or because I walk around town wearing fully enchanted armor?
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                  Originally posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten View Post
                  I got to meet my past self, the Hero of Kvatch. He was busy doing the fishstick.
                  When I encountered that, my mind immediately went to this: Sacks-Minnelli Disease | You Look Nice Today

                  I really want to believe someone at Bethesda listens to that podcast and it's the same fishstick.
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                    Originally posted by cidbahamut View Post
                    When I encountered that, my mind immediately went to this: Sacks-Minnelli Disease | You Look Nice Today

                    I really want to believe someone at Bethesda listens to that podcast and it's the same fishstick.
                    I looked it up the other day. seems like its a reference to a Bethesda forum ritual. The forum veterans would hand out fishsticks to newcomers.

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                      That is significantly less awesome.
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                      • Re: Elder Scrolls SKYRIM

                        Today in Skyrim:
                        Bah, 4K short of being able to buy property in Solitude.
                        Up to the point in the main story where I have to delve into a dwarven ruin. My least favorite kind. Because now I have to deal with the repulsive Falmer again.
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                          Takes some time to get used to the Falmer, but considering their background there's just no winning with them. <_<;
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                          • Re: Elder Scrolls SKYRIM

                            Originally posted by Ketaru View Post
                            Up to the point in the main story where I have to delve into a dwarven ruin. My least favorite kind. Because now I have to deal with the repulsive Falmer again.
                            If it's the ruin I think it is...
                            Fair Warning
                            ... also... Falmer are really really susceptible to stealth.
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                              Yeah, Falmer aren't hard to deal with.

                              They already can't see that well, so if you use arrows or Throw Voice to draw their attention elsewhere - they're very keen of hearing - you'll be able to get the drop on them pretty easily.

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                                Falmer are blind so as long as you don't make too much noise you can stealth your way through. <_<;

                                But either way they are very depressing to look at. orz



                                PS > Have you read the books about the Falmer? It's just saaaaaaad.
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