Elder Scrolls SKYRIM

[Mezlo]

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Ray, what shouts do you use to kill dragons and how many shouts does it take? I want the full battle plan. also, what - shout time equipment do you have?

[Raydeus]

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I reduced shout cooldown from the console, so it only takes a few seconds to recharge depending on the shout.

It takes more than 10 shouts depending on the Dragon. So I just hotkey shouts so I can swap pressing a number and use Spellbreaker+Healing hands to keep myself alive. But what shouts I used depend on the Dragon and my mood. XD

Only thing I miss are finishing animations, but maybe a mod will solve that eventually. Either way I've had some nice conversations with Dragons, that's for sure.

[Nandito]

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So in other words, you cheated.

Cheater.

[Raydeus]

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PS > There's a mod out there that gives Dragons access to all shouts and makes them tougher I think. Might try that eventually since it makes no sense I can use more Thu'um than a Dragon.

Also, it doesn't make sense that regular NPCs can take a dragon out at higher levels. Why would you need a Dovahkiin then?

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So in other words, you cheated.

Cheater.

Oh, I did. And I loved it.

Just like it doesn't make sense for Dragons to be so weak and limited with the Thu'um it doesn't make sense I can't speak... faster.

[cidbahamut]

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I think there's an amulet of Talos that speeds up shout recast if you want to go legit, but all Ray's done is speed up the process. It's really not that hard to survive a dragon attack by running the hell away and healing until your shout timer is up.

[Nandito]

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I think there's an amulet of Talos that speeds up shout recast if you want to go legit, but all Ray's done is speed up the process. It's really not that hard to survive a dragon attack by running the hell away and healing until your shout timer is up.

Yep-yep, along with the Blessing of Talos; I think the total ends up being a 45% cool down.

Still wondering if there's a way to get that shout recast on an enchant.

[Raydeus]

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At first I tried using normal cooldown as an experiment, but the dragon got away because I took too long. I also had plenty of time to regain any health lost just running around and healing, so it wasn't very fun.

Then after some trial and error I kinda struck a good balance between being able to stand my ground against dragons while shouting and having to take cover to heal or to avoid taking breath attacks to the face.

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And I just had something odd but nice happen. I was having a debate with a Dragon when out of nowhere a giant and a mammoth joined the party*, and pretty much at the same time we turned on them and took one of the mobs each. Then proceeded to pwn them. And then... then the dragon just stood up there without attacking, and I didn't attack either. After that the dragon just took off and flew away fairly slowly.

So...I think I just made a new friend. XD

Gotta love Skyrim.


*Well, I think we kinda sort of crashed their camp and started setting things on fire, but never mind that. <_<

[Raydeus]

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I was looking at some pics just now and found this:

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Kinda related.

[Raydeus]

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Today in Skyrim:

I got myself caught and imprisoned to try that Wanted thing Steam mentions. And in the process of sneaking around to escape I had the brilliant idea of using LAAS to see if there were any guards nearby. So of course a guard heard my shout and came looking for me, and since I was in a little room at the time he found me pretty fast.

Guard: I'm need to ask you to stop. That... shouting... is making people nervous.
Me: <_<; >_>; Uh, sorry. It wont happen again...
Guard: "Good, glad we straightened that out.

...wait a minute, you are a prisoner!!!"

And then tried to attack me, but I have Shadow Warrior.


Gotta love this game. XD

[cidbahamut]

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Today in Skyrim:

^ New name for this thread? I think so.

I gave up on my dumb Nord with the war hammer. I think it was finally joining the civil war quest line that did it this time. Without even getting very far in I as a player just ended up rather disgusted with how it was playing out. My intention was to role-play this character as some sort of true blue Nord that would be very sympathetic to Ulfric's cause, but

Civil War spoilers

after invading Whiterun...I just felt dirty. I liked Balgruuf and seeing him driven out of his city made me feel like such an asshole. The worst part is I suspect the result will be exactly the same if I join the Legion since they've set Balgruuf up as mostly neutral and the two feuding families that are blatant proxies for the Empire and the Stormcloaks.

So the Civil war just left a bad taste in my mouth. On to the next character.

This time I'm aiming to have a more generic adventuring type from Cyrodil. Moderate amounts of swordplay, but a heavy emphasis on Conjuration magic. It's working out so far, but without all the perks in armor and weapons and blocking the melee combat is pretty rough. Or maybe it's because I keep gravitating towards light armor instead of heavy and have yet to take off my stylish Imperial Light Armor. Nah...

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Its a civil war, both sides are dirty to some degree.

With Skyrim, you have an empire not only in complete turmoil within each nation, but a supremacist group imposing on the last and proudest nation in Tamriel. The wars in Morrowind have scattered the dark elves from their homeland by the Argonians, Hammerfell has a resistance group waging war on the Aldimeri dominion, Vvardenfall is just gone and Cyrodil is a shadow of its former self, letting the Dominion imposes its rules on religion and social standing. Now you have the Aldimeri Dominion imposing itself on Skyrim and all these dragons tearing up shit.

If you look at it from the perspective of your rank-and-file Stormcloak, they just want to protect their home and way of life, which is very easy to sympathize with. Ulfric certainly isn't doing a lot to bring the various races together, but at the same time he's not turning them all away. Its really the city of Windhelm that is paranoid to the point of outright racism. Morrowind was worse, though, as the Dark Elves and Imperials alike regularly enslaved Kahjit and Argonians, so you could argue they got what they deserved. There were Imperials that were not above such cruelty to other races in Oblivion, either, One imperial duchess had a torture chamber for Argonians.

The Count of Skingrad was also a bit of dodgy character. He wanted to best for his people, but if they knew he was a vampire they'd hunt him down without mercy so he has a number of ... countermeasures in place to make sure anyone that suspects or is open to squealing is disposed of.

Part of the appeal is that is not a nice world to be in.

[Raydeus]

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Yeah, the Civil war is in dire need for more options.

There are way too many ways things could play differently. And since New Vegas already had tons of options like that I think Bethesda could've taken some faction gameplay advice from the Obsidian.

What if...

-You could turn on Ulfric's men when they tried to remove Balgruuf?
-Or take power for yourself and kick both the Stormcloaks and the Empire, marry Elisif and become High King.
-Or just challenge Ulfric to a duel and just Shout him to death Dovahkiin style and take over the rebelion. Then do things your way.

Etc. etc.

Or simply be able to destroy the Thieves Guild. Probably the lack of storyline options (specially when compared to New Vegas) is the weakest part of Skyrim. But expansions and mods will probably change that.

Options to expand Skyrim are limitless really, like having some kind of High King gameplay. Where you could have a sort of city admin sim and you managed Skyrim with taxes, production, research, etc. to make your empire better and more prosper. With rebellions and others taking place and you having to decide how to use your resources Total War style.

Things like that. XD

I've tried both stories but I've yet to pick a side on my "official" save file. For now I'm just having fun traveling around Skyrim and bumping into quests, random events and Dovah debates.

And I have to say, not using Fast Travel has been the best decision I've ever made. Bethesda did an awesome work with Skyrim itself, even if the people living there lacks some depth.

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Part of the appeal is that is not a nice world to be in.

Agreed, but it's more about the lack of options thing regarding the storyline. I mean I like that all sides in the conflict are pretty gray, but not being able to make some different decisions along the way detracts from the experience.

[cidbahamut]

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My character in my main save file is smart enough not to pick a side. He sees the evils in both and takes a more Grey Beard style approach to the whole thing. It's put him at odds with the Blades, but they're pretty clueless honestly.

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Agreed, but it's more about the lack of options thing regarding the storyline. I mean I like that all sides in the conflict are pretty gray, but not being able to make some different decisions along the way detracts from the experience.

Exactly, the factions are varying shades of grey, but the decisions you can make are all black and white.

[Raydeus]

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Remember Saadia's quest? I liked the way it could play out since you could doublecross any of them whenever you wanted.

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Blades

PS > Yeah, there's no chance in hell I'd ever kill Paarthurnax

Is that really a spoiler? <_<;

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Well here's the thing - you could have all those wild faction-y choices, but by the time the game went gold the DLC was probably only starting to take shape in terms of story and concept.

There's a lot of shit going on in Tamriel right now. For one, the Argonians of gotten their revenge upon the dark elves and imperials of Morrowind, but I don't think they bothered to improve things for their former fellow slaves, the Kahjit. Hammerfell is in a sort of turmoil similar to Skyrim, just based off the quest that involved Saadia, who's apparently an toady for the Dominion and the Thalmor. Not much is said about Elsewyer, other than trade opportunities make other areas ripe for exploration. And Cyrodil is a shadow of its former self and somewhat the basis for why the Nords despise the Imperials and Elves so much.

Its not just that they want to worship Talos, but that the Thalmor come in and treat everyone like dirt.

Now you have the dragon situation somehwhat resolved, but who stands to benefit from all this instability across Tamriel, as well as random dragons fucking shit up everywhere?

Maybe these guys.

We have two roads in the game - one leading to Cyrodil and the other to Morrowind. Were the Akaviri to strike, they'd probably go with the weakend Morrowind first, move to Cyrodil and then up to Skyrim. I'm not quite as sure about Elsewyer and Hammerfell as those environments are probably less friendly to the invaders. There's clearly no reason to go to VVardenfall.

Its speculation, but those roads are also likely there for a reason.