Nintendo 3DS to see $80 price drop, rewards early adopters

[Icemage]

Re: Nintendo 3DS to see $80 price drop, rewards early adopters

I was talking about the system itself, not the peripheral that was confirmed for Monster Hunter to prevent "the claw."

...lolwhat?

Believe it when I see it, really.

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But I don't buy handhelds to have every console experience replicated. If both Vita and 3DS have dual analog...

If you backpedal a little faster, you might be able to go fast enough to warp the spacetime continuum enough to get back to the point in recent history where Nintendo hasn't completely lost their marbles.


Icemage

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Nintendo 3DS to see $80 price drop, rewards early adopters

...lolwhat?




If you backpedal a little faster, you might be able to go fast enough to warp the spacetime continuum enough to get back to the point in recent history where Nintendo hasn't completely lost their marbles.


Icemage

You quote the exact part where I'm talking about this rumored "Dual analog" 3DS model and call that "backpedalng?"

Peripheral != official dual analog 3DS, its just a peripheral. If you think I didn't see it on Destructoid or Joystiq before coming over here, I humbly submit youhave a very poor idea of where you rank as an information source.

Again, I'll beleve in the dual analog version of the 3DS when it comes from Nintendo's lips. They have a big event before TGS, maybe it will happen there and you can gleefully rush over here to tell me you told me so. Or maybe they're just announcing that they have a better name than "Wii U" to use for their new console.

But chances I'll know way before you tell me.

[Icemage]

Re: Nintendo 3DS to see $80 price drop, rewards early adopters

Oh come off it, BBQ. This isn't about who knows what first, stop trying to redirect.

You know as well as I do that whether or not such a peripheral gets incorporated into a future revision, it's going to fragment the install base. If it's "just a peripheral" as you say, then developers won't bother to support it because it's not part of the core platform, and heaven knows the 3DS can't really afford any split in its user base this early in its life cycle. Given Nintendo's history of hardware revisions, though, do you really think they won't add it into the core design the same way they did with Wii Motion Plus? If they don't, then they relegate the 2nd analog stick to Wii Speak levels of support and concede all the dual analog controls to the PS Vita, which isn't a particularly good option either.

If Nintendo is trying to coax 3rd party developers to stay on the 3DS, this isn't really a good way to do it.

As for selective quotation, I'm just poking a little fun at your rampant Nintendo-can-never-do-wrong-ever fanboyism.


Icemage

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Nintendo 3DS to see $80 price drop, rewards early adopters

As for selective quotation, I'm just poking a little fun at your rampant Nintendo-can-never-do-wrong-ever fanboyism.

So you're aware, your equally rampant Sony fanboyism is just as obnoxious. Just for future reference.

Stones, glass houses, yadda yadda.

[Fliegar]

Re: Nintendo 3DS to see $80 price drop, rewards early adopters

All game / entertainment hardware and software developers suck, and are evil. That being said, I will continue to buy their crap because I am a sad, sad person without my vidja gaems.

[Icemage]

Re: Nintendo 3DS to see $80 price drop, rewards early adopters

So you're aware, your equally rampant Sony fanboyism is just as obnoxious. Just for future reference.

Stones, glass houses, yadda yadda.

Now, now, I may love my PS3 to pieces, but I'm more than happy to kick Sony in the teeth when they deserve it (see: PSN hack, mostly terrible marketing, casual me-too-ism of PlayStation Move, and everything related to PS Home... oh, and the lolPSPStop).

Besides, bagging on Sony is so 2006. Nintendo's the new whipping boy on the block, didn't you get the memo?

That said, Nintendo's Circle Pad attachment (which is now officially confirmed) is still one of the worst moves I've seen the big N make in quite some time. Maybe die-hard Nintendo fans will put up with paying $250 on launch and getting the rug yanked out from under them not once ($80 price drop), but twice (hi2u second analog nub that by all rights should have been in the original design), but there's going to be a lot of nerdrage amongst early adopters if Nintendo does end up creating a 3DS redesign in the future that incorporates that second analog.

What really puzzles me about the whole affair is how Nintendo could possibly have missed the oceans of salty PSP owner tears over the lack of a second analog when the PSPGo launched.


Icemage

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Nintendo 3DS to see $80 price drop, rewards early adopters

Besides, bagging on Sony is so 2006. Nintendo's the new whipping boy on the block, didn't you get the memo?

As I recall, bagging on Nintendo is "so" 2001. Ever since the PS3, Sony's made more fumbles and recoveries than a professional football team. Pretty sure Kevin Butler's the biggest thing keeping them from being the current "whipping boy."

If the last E3 was any indication, it's actually Microsoft's turn on the block now.

[Absentia]

Re: Nintendo 3DS to see $80 price drop, rewards early adopters

Just like the Motion Plus before it, now we have the Right Analog Plus. Now it's like having a real controller in your hand, BUT WITH 2 ANALOGS AND A SCREEN. MW3 for 3DS will be the best version now, hands down.

[Icemage]

Re: Nintendo 3DS to see $80 price drop, rewards early adopters

As I recall, bagging on Nintendo is "so" 2001. Ever since the PS3, Sony's made more fumbles and recoveries than a professional football team. Pretty sure Kevin Butler's the biggest thing keeping them from being the current "whipping boy."

If the last E3 was any indication, it's actually Microsoft's turn on the block now.

Doubtful. Microsoft's Kinect-a-thon E3 presentation at least had actual games that dedicated gamers care about, even if they did have some loltastic motion/voice control bolted on.

Nintendo's Wii U presentation left most of the public unimpressed and concerned about the hardware pricing for the controller. The 3DS segment was pretty questionable too - yes, it's good to have games for the 3DS in development if you're Nintendo, but they'd have been much better off showing that 3rd parties would be developing games alongside them.

That's not to say that Sony's E3 presser was anything to write home about; the PS Vita $249 surprise was more or less cancelled out by "AT&T".

The only place Microsoft really deserves to take a beating over is their mindblowing lack of any success in Japan, where even the PS2 is outselling the Xbox 360 week in and week out these days.


Icemage

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Nintendo 3DS to see $80 price drop, rewards early adopters

Doubtful. Microsoft's Kinect-a-thon E3 presentation at least had actual games that dedicated gamers care about, even if they did have some loltastic motion/voice control bolted on.

Nintendo's Wii U presentation left most of the public unimpressed and concerned about the hardware pricing for the controller. The 3DS segment was pretty questionable too - yes, it's good to have games for the 3DS in development if you're Nintendo, but they'd have been much better off showing that 3rd parties would be developing games alongside them.

That's not to say that Sony's E3 presser was anything to write home about; the PS Vita $249 surprise was more or less cancelled out by "AT&T".

The only place Microsoft really deserves to take a beating over is their mindblowing lack of any success in Japan, where even the PS2 is outselling the Xbox 360 week in and week out these days.


Icemage

You're still proving your mad-on for Nintendo here.

Sony's press conference was all about their first party games and the third party stuff got relegated to a small trailer. That and they dedicated a lot of time to peddling their take on 3D and motion control (community interest was at an absolute zero there). Worse, when they mentioned 3G functions would be brought to Vita via AT&T, the audience laughed and it was audible even though the direct stream from Sony on that one.

The most important part of the Sony conference was having Tretton out there owning up to the outage in a big way. I was hoping for a lot more out the Vita presentation and the Ruin stuff was nice, but they failed to make MGS Collection a highlight and they totally could have with Kojima's blessing. I feel like transfarring is a great idea all HD collections should be considering as a future feature, but Sony again wants to highlight their own stuff.

Nintendo's conference was also first-party centric, but many third party games were highlighted in development. The problem, of course, is that they weren't shown for Wii U and what footage we got was from other platforms (...). 3DS has 50 third party games to be shown on the TGS floor next week, so that's somewhat of a recovery. I think Vita has less than 15 to show, but that's sort of to be expected right now.

The disappointment of Nintendo's conference was not making a good show of current Wii support. I don't know what Nintendo of America is thinking right now. I expect NOJ to do what they do, but for Reggie to go out on stange and say their intention is to please everyone with Wii U when they've released nothing but DS and 3DS games this year is rather pitiful.

And that troubles me because Nintendo has be able to juggle two platforms for years.

Maybe the problem is that, right now, they are juggling four platforms. The DS is more or less phased out after early next year, it seems. I mean, I have three or four DS games I still want to buy, but everything else is 3DS and I see nothing after February 2012 for DS. What does Wii have next year after really just having The Conduit 2, Kirby and Zelda this year?

At present my DS is looking at Solatorobo, Aliens infestation, Kirby Mass Attack and SMT: Devil Survivor 2. 3DS will be devouring my wallet in November and December of this year.

If they're holding back for anything on Wii, it damn well better be Xenoblade, Earth Seeker, Pandora's Tower and The Last Story, because they don't have much else. I'm losing my patience, though, and may end up importing every EU version of those instead while Reggie praises himself for publishing... whatever it is he's doing.

Nintendo, aside here's the problem with MS's conference - it got me to buy a PS3.

Really, watching them use Kinect with Mass Effect 3 and showing off a Fable themed rail-shooter was all it took. I'm not ragging on rail-shooters, either, its just when Fable can't meet the basic expectations of an RPG, I don't see how they'll hit the mark on rail shooters. I'll be over here on my Wii playing the best of them, such as Sin and Punishment 2, if I want that. Get Treasure to make a game like that.

Beyond that, MS has just failed as a first party. Always with the Fable and Halo and nothing else. People rag on Nintendo for banking on their old IPs, but to be fair, Nintendo has like dozens of them with dedicated fans for each. MS seems more bent on working with third parties to prevent Sony from getting exclusives than they are concerned with making new IPs.

I don't know why all they have to do is show a new Halo or Fable and they can still skate by on no other IPs at all. Sony and Nintendo have them out the wazoo and that can't be denied.

But to be fair, at least Kinect is known to have games. I still get customers for Kinect and Wiimotes, butliterally nobody buys Playstation Move. I'd love it if DX:HR or any number of PS3 games supported Move, but devs cannot be bothered to implement, so my joy for FPS with motion control seems to be relegated to the Wii as I have zero interest in Killzone, SOCOM or Resistance.

I'm not being hard to please, either, I'm just more of a Bioshock/Deus Ex/Metroid Prime kind of person than I am someone that plays the shell of a single player game. I like my single player adventures to be the main course, not the appetizer. Halo isn't a shell of a single-player experience, its an equal to the multiplayer - I tend to think that's why people have so much love for it.


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Now, if you look over all that. You don't see a hard-on for Nintendo there so much as some would assume of me. My difference from most people is that I'm a gaming enthusiast more than a self-labeled "hardcore" gamer, which is nothing but a cynic trying to justify how much money he spends. I only really have a problem when corporate bullshit gets in the way of me and my games, which is why I have a problem with EA, Activision, Ubi Soft and a few others. They have put the boardroom and profit margins ahead of the games and the audience and it annoys me to no end how willing the hardcores are willing to take it the ass from those guys but freak the fuck out at anything Nintendo does.

Like peripherals or large controllers with screens that allow you to play away from the TV. These are not strange ideas, yet they act like they are.

So they accept the piece-mealing of game content, but act like its a real drag when hardware does unusual things or gets additions. Yet no one complains when PS3s start losing USB ports or other features each redesign (which have TOTALLY been effective at stopping piracy ) while Nintendo is fucking nuts for making a Monster Hunter peripheral to prevent "the claw."

[Icemage]

Re: Nintendo 3DS to see $80 price drop, rewards early adopters

You're still proving your mad-on for Nintendo here.

I make no bones about my overall disappointment with Nintendo, but frankly, they've given me plenty of reasons to be disappointed with them. It doesn't make me mad enough to stop buying games for their platforms when I want to, but I honestly can not imagine how anyone who owns a 3DS or a Wii has been getting by the past six months or so without something else to fill in the gaps.

Nintendo's conference was also first-party centric, but many third party games were highlighted in development. The problem, of course, is that they weren't shown for Wii U and what footage we got was from other platforms (...). 3DS has 50 third party games to be shown on the TGS floor next week, so that's somewhat of a recovery. I think Vita has less than 15 to show, but that's sort of to be expected right now.

Eh? Nintendo barely even shows up at the Tokyo Game Show every year, what makes you think they're going to have anything significant to show there? If you were talking about their 3DS conference that will be happening next week, that's a different story, but get your facts straight.

It'll be interesting to see what games they'll have that aren't simply in trailer format. Considering how many games are still waaaay down the line on the 3DS release calendar, I find it dubious that many of those games will be playable by next week in any reasonable form.

Maybe the problem is that, right now, they are juggling four platforms. The DS is more or less phased out after early next year, it seems. I mean, I have three or four DS games I still want to buy, but everything else is 3DS and I see nothing after February 2012 for DS. What does Wii have next year after really just having The Conduit 2, Kirby and Zelda this year?

Is the problem that they're juggling four platforms, or is the problem that they rushed the release of the 3DS (and to a certain extent the Wii U as well)? It seems to me that the real problem Nintendo has right now is that the 3DS just didn't get enough time in the incubator. Not putting in a 2nd analog control is a facepalm-worthy oversight. The launch lineup just isn't there, and they would honestly have been much better off with a holiday 2011 release with a stronger release slate.

The Wii U's future is a lot more uncertain, but when you've got Nintendo marketing guys like Reggie Fils-Aime who can't even answer basic questions like "How many of these newfangled controllers can we use with the Wii U?", it seems clear that the hardware isn't anywhere close to finalized enough. If Nintendo doesn't know the answer to that, it means they haven't fixed whatever technical problems are stopping them from commenting about it, and if they don't have the answer, you can bet 3rd party developers certainly don't have the answer either. In terms of development time for titles on an HD platform, that's not good for a development team. That doesn't mean the Wii U release slate will be automatically be terrible, but if Nintendo launches the Wii U next year like they seem to be indicating and the hardware itself doesn't shake down and finalize until six months from now, you can bet the launch lineup for the Wii U will play like a gallery of movie tie-ins.

Now, if you look over all that. You don't see a hard-on for Nintendo there so much as some would assume of me. My difference from most people is that I'm a gaming enthusiast more than a self-labeled "hardcore" gamer, which is nothing but a cynic trying to justify how much money he spends. I only really have a problem when corporate bullshit gets in the way of me and my games, which is why I have a problem with EA, Activision, Ubi Soft and a few others. They have put the boardroom and profit margins ahead of the games and the audience and it annoys me to no end how willing the hardcores are willing to take it the ass from those guys but freak the fuck out at anything Nintendo does.

The figure that disappoints me most about this generation of gamers is 25 million copies of CoD: Black Ops sold. That's just depressing in so many ways.

Like peripherals or large controllers with screens that allow you to play away from the TV. These are not strange ideas, yet they act like they are.

So they accept the piece-mealing of game content, but act like its a real drag when hardware does unusual things or gets additions. Yet no one complains when PS3s start losing USB ports or other features each redesign (which have TOTALLY been effective at stopping piracy ) while Nintendo is fucking nuts for making a Monster Hunter peripheral to prevent "the claw."

Um. My problem with adding a new control scheme isn't the fact that it's new. It's not like there aren't a bazillion games out there that support dual analogs already, so developers should at least know the ropes behind how they work. The reason the Wii got away with the Wiimote control schemel was because the control scheme came standard with the system. Every Wii has a Wiimote, so every developer can develop around that concept (for better or worse), and you can be assured that every game on the Wii is designed with this in mind.

What the 2nd analog for the 3DS is trying to do is the same thing that Microsoft Kinect is doing; adding a whole additional control scheme that developers have to either choose to support in addition to the basic control scheme. They absolutely have to support the basic 3DS control scheme with only one analog circle or risk losing a whole chunk of the install base as an audience, and risk losing customers out if their software doesn't support it properly.

I actually think the tablet idea of being able to play the Wii U without a TV is pretty neat; I just don't think it's a very compelling reason to own a game console (in much the same vein as the 3D effect on the 3DS). It's cool, but you don't "need" it, and it pales in importance to inertial-based features like Achievements/Trophies, Friends Lists that don't require using credit-card-sized-codes, support for downloadable games that aren't miniscule in size (when you've got great projects like Super Meat Boy which end up not getting published on Wii because Nintendo can't be hassled to relax their game size constraints, there is a problem).


Icemage

[Kailea]

Re: Nintendo 3DS to see $80 price drop, rewards early adopters

what happened to the good old days of games.... *sniff* *looks at a SNES controller with a tear in his eye*

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Nintendo 3DS to see $80 price drop, rewards early adopters

3DS conference ended a couple hours ago.

Monster Hunter 3G with the analog cradle was known, but what's really news its 3DS seems to have Monster Hunter 4 as an exclusive. No release date for MH4, but they had a trailer and it looked pretty nice. 3G will be out in Japan in early December.

So yeah, Monster Hunter 4. That pretty much seals Japan's loyalty, but there were other games.

SE has some game (either by the Final Fantasy: 4 Heroes of Light team or something related to that game) called Bravely Default: Flying Fairy. The art looked a little too sexed-up to be anything related to 4 Heroes of Light, so I'm guessing something got lost in Magic-Box's translation.

New Fire Emblem from Nintendo

New Mario Tennis

Kid Icarus delayed til winter 2012 (I think I'll live).

Sega annoucned a rhythm game, Project Mirai

Bamco announces a Gundom game, color me shocked.

The new Bamco Ace Combat game got re-subtitled "Cross Rumble"

Tecmo-Koei's Omega Force and Bamco's crossover game is also headed to 3DS.

and that's all Magic-Box had. Dunno if there was more than that. I missed the live stream

Miyamoto also mentioned that Zelda Skyward Sword has over 50 hours of stuff to do, which sounds like quite a lot for a Zelda game. I'm just hoping the main story doesn't wear out its welcome like Twilight Princess' did.

[Icemage]

Re: Nintendo 3DS to see $80 price drop, rewards early adopters

I didn't see any mention of MH4 exclusivity, only that it would be on 3DS. Good announcement, but I'd wait for Sony's press conference tomorrow (?) at the Tokyo Game Show before putting MH4 into the exclusive bucket. Actually, I'd bet money that Capcom (being Capcom) will probably put some new iteration of Monster Hunter on Wii U, PS3 and Vita as well. My only real "if" on that front is whether the PS3 and Vita versions will support cross-platform / transfarring (if Sony were really smart they'd push for this). For that matter, I would be surprised if Nintendo doesn't do the same for 3DS / Wii U.

I expect Kid Icarus got pushed back to integrate dual analog support.

Happy to see Nintendo hasn't forgotten about Fire Emblem.

Square-Enix continues their trend of completely nonsensical and barely pronounceable names. I mean seriously, where did they get "Bravely Default: Flying Fairy" from? Taking a bunch of pages from the dictionary, tossing them into a blender, and seeing which four pages fly out first?

EDIT: Oh, and regarding the "50 games" bit above, Kotaku Japan produced a list of all the games shown at the 3DS conference today. Final tally: 28 games. Very respectable showing from Nintendo.
http://kotaku.com/5839604/what-games...ndo-show-today

EDIT 2: This is the first time I've ever seen a game trailer that only had 1/3 of the time actually apply to the actual game. Silly Square-Enix!
http://www.square-enix.co.jp/bdff/


Icemage

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Nintendo 3DS to see $80 price drop, rewards early adopters

The 50 games number was the TGS floor, no one really knew what to expect from the Nintendo conference itself in terms of games shown off til it happened.

I wouldn't underestimate the how this could change things for 3DS as for as Monster Hunter goes.

Think about it. 3DS is going to have Monster Hunter, Pokemon and some degree of functionality with Dragon Quest X for Wii and Wii U. Imagine people playing Monster Hunter or Pokemon while getting spotpass tags for Dragon Quest (be that treasure map trades or something more).

Monster Hunter was PSP's "Pokemon" as it were. The rug that held the room together. None of the imitators it spawned on PSP even managed to make a dent in its popularity. People will be all over MHT 3Gthis come December. silly analog nub peripheral or not. Well, in Japan, they will.

Knowing Capcom it will come to America whenever they damn well feel like it. Though they do seem to have some priority on Nintendo handheld releases (Megaman notwithstanding).