Mega Man Legends 3 Prototype coming to 3DS' eShop

[Malacite]

Re: Mega Man Legends 3 Prototype coming to 3DS' eShop

But even after being spammed to all hell, Mega Man and Mega Man X are still fan-favorites even for people who don't keep up with the games any more. I'd wager there's still way more Mega Man fans than Ghouls and Ghosts fans.

Fucking right they are.

I still maintain that they could remade almost all of the old games, but in full 3D with destructible environments and it would have ROCKED!

But alas, it was not to be. My favorite series & character of all time has been run into the ground, and his creator jumped ship as well.

Words can not express how much I loathe Capcom.


EDIT: At least they stuck Zero in... but oh how I'd love to have either Volnut or X. Shit even .EXE would be really cool & different. It could have been worse though - they could have trolled us with Axel...

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Mega Man Legends 3 Prototype coming to 3DS' eShop

Mal, you channel more energy into hating companies than I could be bothered to, even for EA.

I dislike them, think they're scumbags, but sometimes they don't fuck up and publish good things withing forcing their douchebaggery into them. Good things no one buys because EA hardly does anything to market them and despite claims otherwise, gamers don't buy new IPs without a lot of hype behind them.

But at least they happen.

I see you complain about a lack of new IPs from Capcom quite a bit, but I don't see you embracing Asura's Wrath or Dragon's Dogma, either.

Welcome to being part of the problem.

[Armando]

Re: Mega Man Legends 3 Prototype coming to 3DS' eShop

I believe Jin last appeared on Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom...

Unfortunately, he didn't It's a shame, too, because he would've fit right in with all the Tatsunoko characters.

[Icemage]

Re: Mega Man Legends 3 Prototype coming to 3DS' eShop

I see you complain about a lack of new IPs from Capcom quite a bit, but I don't see you embracing Asura's Wrath or Dragon's Dogma, either.

Welcome to being part of the problem.

I think Capcom is at least "trying" with Asura's Wrath and Dragon's Dogma. Asura's Wrath's problem is that from early impressions it compares unfavorably to God of War, and from what anyone can tell, the comparison is fairly apt. Dragon's Dogma may be Capcom's most expensive venture ever, but it has an awkward name and perhaps the most generic and uninspired sword-and-sorcery art style I've ever seen in what claims to be a AAA title.

I'm willing to be convinced otherwise on both counts, but what little is available on both games doesn't exactly recommend them. As you mention, even though you dislike EA, you have to admit they do try to publish new IPs from time to time, and while they don't often put a lot of marketing muscle behind them... they at least do occasionally, and those new IPs tend to be done "relatively" right.


Icemage

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Mega Man Legends 3 Prototype coming to 3DS' eShop

Well, I did say Dragon's Dogma has stiff competition from Skyrim and Dark Souls, which are two games close to its release.

And both have serious momentum going for them, Skyrim has the history of Elder Scrolls behind it, Dark Souls the cult hype of Demon's Souls.

That aside, EA could have pushed SotD and Alice a bit harder than they did. Shadows of the Damned sold 24k. That in the face of a game that was nothing but empty hype and total shit in Duke Nukem Forever, which sold to the tune of 700k. Sometimes I just don't understand what is wrong with my fellow gamers.

Maybe Grasshopper should align with Atlus USA as a publisher from here on out because I know whatever the sales numbers are for Catherine next week, Atlus will make its money back. They don't overspend and the seldom undersell.

[Malacite]

Re: Mega Man Legends 3 Prototype coming to 3DS' eShop

I see you complain about a lack of new IPs from Capcom quite a bit, but I don't see you embracing Asura's Wrath or Dragon's Dogma, either.

Already addressed those in an earlier post.


And I don't care anymore anyway. They've gone too damn far this time. MML3 was the last straw.

[Icemage]

Re: Mega Man Legends 3 Prototype coming to 3DS' eShop

Couple of things to add here:

Former Mega Man Producer Is Sorry about That Cancellation

This week, Capcom shitcanned Mega Man Legends 3. The game was supposed to be produced by Mega Man producer Keiji Inafune, but he's not at Capcom anymore. Hrm, that might have something to do with it?

On his blog, Inafune wrote, "Today's cancellation decision is out of my control, but there's something I'd like to tell the staff: 'I'm sorry.'"

Inafune also apologized to fans for not seeing the game through to completion. He did thank the staff for all their hard work on the project.

Also, Capcom EU had some rather harsh things to say about the fanbase regarding MML3.

The Mega Man Network � Capcom Europe: “It’s a Shame the Fans Didn’t Want to Get More Involved”

Hoo-boy. This is just going to be one of those days.

Checking out the blog post of GeekSpeak Radio host and MMN alumni Bryan “DarkMoogle” Carr, who has been following this whole turn of events, I saw that Capcom Europe had been responding to some fans about the Mega Man Legends 3 cancellation on their Twitter. And since people were already beginning to talk about it in comments here, I figured we might as well post it.

After all, people said they wanted more than just apologetic notes, to see actual reasons, right? Well, hold on to your blue helmets, because as Carr puts it, “now the blame is shifted to the fans, huh?”

Things began (more or less) with a tweet from @dk_lance, who echoed a not-uncommon sentiment:

@CapcomEuro I’m sad to know Legends 3 was cancelled for 3DS. Someone making decisions at Capcom’s R&D HQ should get fired…

@CapcomEuro responded:

@dk_lance unfortunately so few fans took part in the creation of the game. It was felt the project was not worthwhile. :-(

Some time after that, @kdawg3000 asked:

@CapcomEuro What would it take to get the executives to reconsider their decision?

@CapcomEuro Please give us a response. Fans are rallying as we speak, writing, petitioning, the works. At least release the demo to (cont)

@CapcomEuro (cont) To see how it fares. It’s pretty much done, from what I hear, so what do you have to lose?

And @CapcomEuro responded:

@kdawg3000 We weren't asking people to do much but response to dev rooms was cool at best

…followed by:

@kdawg3000 it's a shame the fans didn't want to get more involved :-( if we saw there was an audience for MML3 people might change minds

And there you have it.

Apparently, according to Capcom EU, the fans were at fault for why MML3 got canceled.

Yeah.


Icemage

[Armando]

Re: Mega Man Legends 3 Prototype coming to 3DS' eShop

It's debatable how official a tweet from Capcom Europe is, but regardless, Capcom can go die in a fire.

Edited for relevance:

[DanteWolfWood]

Re: Mega Man Legends 3 Prototype coming to 3DS' eShop

It's debatable how official a tweet from Capcom Europe is, but regardless, Capcom can go die in a fire.

Edited for relevance:

O.o....

Two words...Fuck capcom.

I dont think I've ever seen a company INTENTIONALLY troll a fan base. They can rot for all I care.

[Malacite]

Re: Mega Man Legends 3 Prototype coming to 3DS' eShop

http://i.imgur.com/pasxW.jpg



What the fuck Capcom... what the fuck...

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Mega Man Legends 3 Prototype coming to 3DS' eShop

Mal, there's a fine line between fan outrage and people just making shit up because they're spiteful and angry.

What you posted was people making shit up and confirmed false by people on the floor at SDCC, by both the press and Capcom themselves.

Really, why would they turn away a Mega Man cosplayer?

[Malacite]

Re: Mega Man Legends 3 Prototype coming to 3DS' eShop

Ah ok. It was posted in the Joystiq comments, so wasn't 100% sure on the validity.

Still wouldn't put it past them though.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Mega Man Legends 3 Prototype coming to 3DS' eShop

Ah ok. It was posted in the Joystiq comments, so wasn't 100% sure on the validity.

Still wouldn't put it past them though.

While they may be on the bad side of fans right now, Capcom's American branch and Seth Killan doesn't strike me as the type of people to engage in hostility toward fans when they're some of the most forthcoming people working on the American side of a Japanese company.

Apparently Capcom's European branch have that quality. Plus its not like its their decision on the American or European side of things - those complaints need to be taken to Capcom's Japaon branch.

Its understandable to be frustrated, but you have to take that frustration to the right people and go about it the right way.

Operation Rainfall - and time will tell if that was a success - went about this the right way. They targeted Nintendo of American and were extremely polite in voicing their concerns about NOA's decision not to (at least on appearances) not have any plans to publish The Last Story, Pandora's Tower or Xenoblade.

Yet we have evidence that suggest they are. American voice actors listing "Monado" (Xenoblade for the US) on their resumes and a trademarking of The Last Story. I think this is why there's a little less angst on that front.

The Capcom fanbase - though I doubt the SDCC crowd is applicable here - is taking a hostile, cowardly approach and being douchebags from the safety of the internet.

Just think about how elegant and meaningful Operation Rainfall's approach was. Its easy to copy and paste a body of text and email it, its easy to complain on the internet, but to physically write the letter and send it by traditional means holds a special meaning - it says you actually care.

That aside, I think Mr. Ono might understand this best within Capcom. Last year he asked people to hold up a dollar bill if they wanted a new Darkstalkers game to show his bosses there is a demand. Whole audience held up a dollar.

Apparently that wasn't good enough.

So this year he asked everyone to hold up a $10 so the could get a picture of the audience holding up tens.

I admire his persistence on this and I think that's a great way of trolling his own company to get what he wants. If nothing else, its a very elegant display of force on his part and the fans.

[Armando]

Re: Mega Man Legends 3 Prototype coming to 3DS' eShop

The Capcom fanbase - though I doubt the SDCC crowd is applicable here - is taking a hostile, cowardly approach and being douchebags from the safety of the internet.

Just think about how elegant and meaningful Operation Rainfall's approach was. Its easy to copy and paste a body of text and email it, its easy to complain on the internet, but to physically write the letter and send it by traditional means holds a special meaning - it says you actually care.

You have to understand that the context is completely different. You can't compare Xenoblade to MML3. Xenoblade is a new game, and at least it did get released in Japan, which means that you can import it and still enjoy it to a certain extent, thanks to the magic of translators and game scripts. Eventually someone could possibly patch the ISO like they did with Birth by Sleep. People have been waiting for MML3 for over a decade, and Capcom went back on its word of releasing the demo. They claimed that was going to be the deciding factor; there wouldn't have been nearly as much of an uproar if the demo got released and Capcom announced there hadn't been enough support. And the Mega Man Legends 3 situation seems to be part of a bigger picture - no more Mega Man at all. Add to that the poor timing of Ultimate MvC3's announcement and the poor choice of new characters, and the situation for both games is no longer comparable.

Also, there ARE fans that have kept a level head and are trying precisely what you mentioned - sending snail mail postcards.
Rockman Corner: 'Legends Never Die' Campaign Kicks Off
There's also a Facebook account dedicated to showing how many people want MML3 back, but I don't have the link to that handy.

Either way, I've given up all hope. I'm sure this is all we're gonna get.



EDIT: I'm not saying that flaming is going to get the fans anywhere, by the way. I'm just saying that their reaction to the situation was to be expected.

[DanteWolfWood]

Re: Mega Man Legends 3 Prototype coming to 3DS' eShop

While they may be on the bad side of fans right now, Capcom's American branch and Seth Killan doesn't strike me as the type of people to engage in hostility toward fans when they're some of the most forthcoming people working on the American side of a Japanese company.

Apparently Capcom's European branch have that quality. Plus its not like its their decision on the American or European side of things - those complaints need to be taken to Capcom's Japaon branch.

Its understandable to be frustrated, but you have to take that frustration to the right people and go about it the right way.

Operation Rainfall - and time will tell if that was a success - went about this the right way. They targeted Nintendo of American and were extremely polite in voicing their concerns about NOA's decision not to (at least on appearances) not have any plans to publish The Last Story, Pandora's Tower or Xenoblade.

Yet we have evidence that suggest they are. American voice actors listing "Monado" (Xenoblade for the US) on their resumes and a trademarking of The Last Story. I think this is why there's a little less angst on that front.

The Capcom fanbase - though I doubt the SDCC crowd is applicable here - is taking a hostile, cowardly approach and being douchebags from the safety of the internet.

Just think about how elegant and meaningful Operation Rainfall's approach was. Its easy to copy and paste a body of text and email it, its easy to complain on the internet, but to physically write the letter and send it by traditional means holds a special meaning - it says you actually care.

That aside, I think Mr. Ono might understand this best within Capcom. Last year he asked people to hold up a dollar bill if they wanted a new Darkstalkers game to show his bosses there is a demand. Whole audience held up a dollar.

Apparently that wasn't good enough.

So this year he asked everyone to hold up a $10 so the could get a picture of the audience holding up tens.

I admire his persistence on this and I think that's a great way of trolling his own company to get what he wants. If nothing else, its a very elegant display of force on his part and the fans.

I see what youre saying OMG, but I think this situation is alittle different. Fans of MML have been doing "Operation Rainfall" for MML3 for TEN YEARS. then its finally announced. The fact being that we are finally seeing a conclusion to a great cult hit plus the fact we've waited this long, made so many people excited about it. Then Capcom poops on that dream by cancelling it.

My point is, why even make an announcement about it, get everyone's hopes up, and then just say "NAH, we changed our mind, didn't meet this "Criteria" we were looking for". How about keep your word, release the prototype and see how it sells and judge from there? Is that so hard?

Plus, let Xenoblade, The last story, and pandora's tower ports to the US get cancelled a week before release here in US, and Nintendo just say "EHH, yall didnt seem that interested so were backing out".

All Hell would break loose.