Nintendo HD? Wii 1.5? WTF?

[Kailea]

Re: Nintendo HD? Wii 1.5? WTF?

If 3rd party devs don't want to develop for the Wii because that would require making a game that doesn't have hyperrealistic, gray-on-brown graphics, Nintendo can't do anything about it. It's funny that you say that Nintendo has forgotten the "hardcore" gamers, when in fact, it's this "hardcore" mentality that's been keeping the expensive HD game craze alive and thus keeping the devs developing solely for XBox and PS3.

When people start looking past the stupid "casual" vs "hardcore" labels and stop looking down at the Wii because it's got less graphics (as if that made for worse games), maybe devs will be inclined to make games for the less powerful console.

it all boils down to people being stupid -.-

I still get people in the "why would I want the Wii it has crappy graphics and gimmick controls" crowd in my store...and all I can do is face palm.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Nintendo HD? Wii 1.5? WTF?

Yeah, they've definitely forgotten us "hardcore" types. That's why there aren't any good first party Wii games! Oh wait...

If 3rd party devs don't want to develop for the Wii because that would require making a game that doesn't have hyperrealistic, gray-on-brown graphics, Nintendo can't do anything about it. It's funny that you say that Nintendo has forgotten the "hardcore" gamers, when in fact, it's this "hardcore" mentality that's been keeping the expensive HD game craze alive and thus keeping the devs developing solely for XBox and PS3.

Just to add, hardcore gamers are fucking morons and I say that as one who is trying to peel himself off weekly purchases because its stupid. If being hardcore means wasting $60 a week at minimum to be part of a conversation on a forum rather than enjoying myself, then fuck being a hardcore gamer.

And since that's exactly what it is - nothing but epic consumerism and nothing to do with the act of playing games - fuck it. You go consume and I'll go back and play Street Fighter IV, Pokemon and Dissidia into the ground.

When people start looking past the stupid "casual" vs "hardcore" labels and stop looking down at the Wii because it's got less graphics (as if that made for worse games), maybe devs will be inclined to make games for the less powerful console.

Developers don't want to think out of the box and most third partis don't want them to. They want a games coming out a regular pace that can be hyped up, consumed and milk the consumer for every penny its worth. This is why I have a tremendous appreciation for Valve, Atlus and Nintendo's approach - release a game when its done, give the consumer the best value and treat them like royalty rather than a peon.

Do we need any further proof than Dragon Age II that Bioware has become a casualty of the EA cycle? They had to crank out an RPG in a year and while they can spin the "benefits" of how excessively streamlined the sequel was, it lost a lot of time because it didn't get to simmer in the pot like Mass Effect did. Sorry, but you can't apply the Madden mentality to the RPG genre. Doesn't work.

But that aside, technology is porn to developers, especially in the west. IF you think the self-appointed hardcore gamers are bad, developers are worse. It blows my mind that Bethesda or Epic Games woudn't even consider making a 3DS game.

I mean, seriously, you have Elder Scrolls games in your backlog just waiting to make some extra scratch in a new market and you're going to say "no?" Oooookay Bethesda. You're not going to make 3DS games because 3DS supposedly can't run the Unreal 3 Engine? Really, Epic?

Meanwhile it seems like Capcom's kicking ass with this MT Framework Mobile thing they got going on. Oh well, I guess Capcom could license out their engine since its pretty wicked for handheld stuff.

I realize some of this loyalty is bought, though. Epic more or less is an unofficial second party for MS right now. Bethesda seems rather beholden to the PC market, I would know because they've made it a habit of treating the console owner like a second-class citizen when it comes to updates, patches - to say nothing of insulting us with shoddy, buggy incomplete shit at retail. Think it took, oh, three weeks for New Vegas's issues on PS3 to get resolved. Real smooth, that.

[DakAttack]

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Just to add, hardcore gamers are fucking morons and I say that as one who is trying to peel himself off weekly purchases because its stupid. If being hardcore means wasting $60 a week at minimum to be part of a conversation on a forum rather than enjoying myself, then fuck being a hardcore gamer.

And since that's exactly what it is - nothing but epic consumerism and nothing to do with the act of playing games - fuck it. You go consume and I'll go back and play Street Fighter IV, Pokemon and Dissidia into the ground.



Developers don't want to think out of the box and most third partis don't want them to. They want a games coming out a regular pace that can be hyped up, consumed and milk the consumer for every penny its worth. This is why I have a tremendous appreciation for Valve, Atlus and Nintendo's approach - release a game when its done, give the consumer the best value and treat them like royalty rather than a peon.

Do we need any further proof than Dragon Age II that Bioware has become a casualty of the EA cycle? They had to crank out an RPG in a year and while they can spin the "benefits" of how excessively streamlined the sequel was, it lost a lot of time because it didn't get to simmer in the pot like Mass Effect did. Sorry, but you can't apply the Madden mentality to the RPG genre. Doesn't work.

But that aside, technology is porn to developers, especially in the west. IF you think the self-appointed hardcore gamers are bad, developers are worse. It blows my mind that Bethesda or Epic Games woudn't even consider making a 3DS game.

I mean, seriously, you have Elder Scrolls games in your backlog just waiting to make some extra scratch in a new market and you're going to say "no?" Oooookay Bethesda. You're not going to make 3DS games because 3DS supposedly can't run the Unreal 3 Engine? Really, Epic?

Meanwhile it seems like Capcom's kicking ass with this MT Framework Mobile thing they got going on. Oh well, I guess Capcom could license out their engine since its pretty wicked for handheld stuff.

I realize some of this loyalty is bought, though. Epic more or less is an unofficial second party for MS right now. Bethesda seems rather beholden to the PC market, I would know because they've made it a habit of treating the console owner like a second-class citizen when it comes to updates, patches - to say nothing of insulting us with shoddy, buggy incomplete shit at retail. Think it took, oh, three weeks for New Vegas's issues on PS3 to get resolved. Real smooth, that.

How do you still not know what the difference between developers and publishers are? Bethesda Softworks publishes games, they don't make them. In the case of FNV, that's Obsidian. Bethesda Games Studio develops the Elder Scrolls series.

While the issue with the Wii is graphics for some, for me it's that it's just a weak machine. It's processor runs at only 730MHz. Its graphics card runs at 240MHz with 24MB of RAM. That's sad. There isn't much you can do with that. Imagine playing Bad Company 2 on the Wii - you'd be shooting it out with two other AI in a fog because your draw distance is so limited, and there probably wouldn't be any destructible environs.

Not that the situation is a lot better with the other consoles, but it's better.

[Malacite]

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Yeah, they've definitely forgotten us "hardcore" types. That's why there aren't any good first party Wii games! Oh wait...

Never said there wasn't any, just that they're so abysmally rare. I mean shit just look at their line up for the next 4 months, it's *garbage* save for Zelda. The 3DS isn't looking much better with Zelda (OOT 3D) being the highlight once again...

Couple that with the lackluster 3rd party stuff and I just haven't really been blown away by the system, save for the few exceptionally awesome titles, most of which are 1st party like Mario Galaxy.

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I still get people in the "why would I want the Wii it has crappy graphics and gimmick controls" crowd in my store...and all I can do is face palm.

Maybe because it does have crappy graphics (again save for those 1st party gems that have fantastic artwork like Twilight Princess & Metroid Prime 3) and often gimmicky controls?

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While the issue with the Wii is graphics for some, for me it's that it's just a weak machine. It's processor runs at only 730MHz. Its graphics card runs at 240MHz with 24MB of RAM. That's sad. There isn't much you can do with that. Imagine playing Bad Company 2 on the Wii - you'd be shooting it out with two other AI in a fog because your draw distance is so limited, and there probably wouldn't be any destructible environs.

You ever play CoD 4 on Wii?

I have, and it looked worse than a PS2 game. Which I attribute largely to the devs, not the system (though it's probably a combination of both) again citing Metroid Prime 3 as the best looking shooter on the platform. But I mean realistically, the Wii is just a gamecube 1.5 with motion controls. The 3DS imo has far more potential for some very cool games and I'll probably pick one up after the first price drop.

[Mezlo]

Re: Nintendo HD? Wii 1.5? WTF?

"Wii remote, but a much more advanced piece of hardware that will feature a built-in HD screen."

really? I call BS on this one.

this.

[Kailea]

Re: Nintendo HD? Wii 1.5? WTF?

After the Wii though, I started to like the rumor I heard (I know though it is complete BS and would never happen)

Rumor was that Nintendo and Sony would merge... in a way. They would work together, Nintendo making the hand helds and Sony making the consoles.

[Armando]

Re: Nintendo HD? Wii 1.5? WTF?

While the issue with the Wii is graphics for some, for me it's that it's just a weak machine. It's processor runs at only 730MHz. Its graphics card runs at 240MHz with 24MB of RAM. That's sad

You realize you can't compare console specs to PC specs, right? The PS2's CPU runs at 300 MHZ, the original XBox's at 733 MHz and the GameCube's at 486 MHz - all three way the fuck under the 1.8 GHz you could expect out of a PC's CPU back then. Game console hardware doesn't have to run a game on top of an entire operating system and other processes not related in any way to the game. Previous generation consoles already had 64-bit CPUs - and of course the games were made to take advantage of that.

Imagine playing Bad Company 2 on the Wii - you'd be shooting it out with two other AI in a fog because your draw distance is so limited, and there probably wouldn't be any destructible environs.

If you wanted to run the same graphics, sure. If you actually had polygon counts and textures more in line with other good-looking Wii titles, you wouldn't have the draw distance problem.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Nintendo HD? Wii 1.5? WTF?

How do you still not know what the difference between developers and publishers are? Bethesda Softworks publishes games, they don't make them. In the case of FNV, that's Obsidian. Bethesda Games Studio develops the Elder Scrolls series.

Who sets the deadlines, publishers or developers?

Don't bother, its publishers.

I lay the blame SQUARELY at Bethesda Softwork's feet. I just shorthand it to Bethesda and it happens to also be the name the feature on the fucking box. Still doesn't mean the developers aren't slightly culpable for shitty testing, Obsidian has become a household name for shitty testing.

But I didn't see Obsidian say "This shitheap is ready to go," I saw Bethesda publish and and release it. No developer wants to release a buggy game if they can't help it, even if they are Obsidian, but then Sega didn't seem to be a great publisher for them either - have you played Alpha Protocol? Now Obsidian is doing Dungeon Siege III for Square-Enix... I'm going to at least bet that turns out a little better than AP or FNV because SE sure let Eidos Montreal take their sweet time with Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Oh, I'm sorry, do you feel dumb now? Seems I quite honestly do know the difference between a developer and a publisher. Epic games is only a developer located in my state, so's Red Storm Interactive for that matter. One answers to MS Game Studios right now for Gears of War, the latter to Ubi Soft as they publish the Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six games for them. Hey, Tom Clancy founded RSI here, he kinda wanted to check up on his stuff.

[DakAttack]

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Who sets the deadlines, publishers or developers?

Don't bother, its publishers.

I lay the blame SQUARELY at Bethesda Softwork's feet. I just shorthand it to Bethesda and it happens to also be the name the feature on the fucking box. Still doesn't mean the developers aren't slightly culpable for shitty testing, Obsidian has become a household name for shitty testing.

But I didn't see Obsidian say "This shitheap is ready to go," I saw Bethesda publish and and release it. No developer wants to release a buggy game if they can't help it, even if they are Obsidian, but then Sega didn't seem to be a great publisher for them either - have you played Alpha Protocol? Now Obsidian is doing Dungeon Siege III for Square-Enix... I'm going to at least bet that turns out a little better than AP or FNV because SE sure let Eidos Montreal take their sweet time with Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Oh, I'm sorry, do you feel dumb now? Seems I quite honestly do know the difference between a developer and a publisher. Epic games is only a developer located in my state, so's Red Storm Interactive for that matter. One answers to MS Game Studios right now for Gears of War, the latter to Ubi Soft as they publish the Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six games for them. Hey, Tom Clancy founded RSI here, he kinda wanted to check up on his stuff.

Why would I feel dumb when you're still making yourself out to be the idiot? Both the publisher and developers enter into agreements that dictate a goal release date and milestones to track progress, among other things. For developers to receive funding from publishers they're contractually obligated to get the game to market. Exactly when can be pushed back or moved up depending on different factors.

You didn't see Obsidian say anything because they didn't say anything. Of course Bethesda Softworks published it. Obsidian didn't test FNV, check the credits. Bethesda Softworks did. No matter how many hours a QA department can put into a game over the course of a year, that's typically blown out of the water within the first week's worth of player hours after it goes retail. The players will run across things that QA didn't find, or run into issues that are so completely random they'll never see them again. I've played FNV front and back, and, regardless of what you're regurgitating, the game is fine.

[Malacite]

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I've played FNV front and back, and, regardless of what you're regurgitating, the game is fine.

You're the only one O.o;

I've heard a loooooooooooot of shit with regards to FNV from yet even more people.

[DakAttack]

Re: Nintendo HD? Wii 1.5? WTF?

You're the only one O.o;

I've heard a loooooooooooot of shit with regards to FNV from yet even more people.

Have you played it?

[Firewind]

Re: Nintendo HD? Wii 1.5? WTF?

Pretty much how I feel after reading looking at the posts in this thread:

[Malacite]

Re: Nintendo HD? Wii 1.5? WTF?

Have you played it?

No, but I've heard enough from people who have both in and outside of the business. I had more than my fill with Fallout 3 anyway.

Besides, that's the nature of glitches anyway - not everyone will experience them the same way if at all.

[DakAttack]

Re: Nintendo HD? Wii 1.5? WTF?

No, but I've heard enough from people who have both in and outside of the business. I had more than my fill with Fallout 3 anyway.

Besides, that's the nature of glitches anyway - not everyone will experience them the same way if at all.

Well how do you feel about ponies?

[Malacite]

Re: Nintendo HD? Wii 1.5? WTF?

Indifferent.