Hotz vs SCEA

[Aeni]

Donations pour in for PS3 hacker; Sony court battle continues

As amusing as I think this is I'm not even sure if there's any repurcussions if either side "wins" this case. The PS4 is looming on the horizon and this case probably won't be settled until long after that release.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Hotz vs SCEA

Where do you even begin to get the idea that PS4 is "looming?"

Also, Geohotz and those sympathetic toward him can eat a bowl of hot dicks.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Hotz vs SCEA

Also, Geohotz and those sympathetic toward him can eat a bowl of hot dicks.

can eat a bowl of hot dicks.

bowl of hot dicks.

hot dicks.

*immature homosexuality joke goes here*

[Malacite]

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I agree with BBQ here.

Not because I'm pro-Sony (and I am in some ways) but because of the impact that little shits like this guy have on the industry.

It's a huge financial risk these days to be pumping out next gen video games. Just one bad title (see: Turok) can utterly destroy a company if they aren't prepared for it. Take Activision for example. They dumped all that money into The Saboteur, it flopped, and they had to close down the studio because of it. But Activision was able to weather it because they were already a huge company.


Other groups like RARE haven't been so fortunate.

Case in point, it doesn't matter which of the big 3 this guy and others do their dirty work against, because it only ends up hurting the consumer in the end by making it that much harder to put out new and fun product at affordable pricing.

[Armando]

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I don't get it. Dude just wants homebrew and is willing to trade with Sony for that.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I don't get it. Dude just wants homebrew and is willing to trade with Sony for that.

Its quite simple - Homebrew for one guy has caused PSN to be hacked, allowed for mass online cheating and piracy by thousands of other people - and that's just the tip of the iceberg. But those thousands of people were just "homebrewing," too, right?

You cannot pretend this guy didn't see these sorts of ramifications coming just because he was some nerd that wanted to run Linux or OtherOS on a PS3.

[Armando]

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You could just as easily argue Sony should've seen the ramifications of taking away OtherOS. Or using the same key for every console.

You could go as far as saying that any console manufacturer should've learned by now that not providing a means for running homebrew is going to lead to hacking.

[Kailea]

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Yeah some people just want homebrew on their systems. Like myself I only hacked my PsP so I could run gameboy emulation on it, I don't pirate games and I dont cheat. Though I am of the small group of people in the homebrew community. It is sad to say but Homebrew is followed very closely to piracy.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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You could just as easily argue Sony should've seen the ramifications of taking away OtherOS. Or using the same key for every console.

You could go as far as saying that any console manufacturer should've learned by now that not providing a means for running homebrew is going to lead to hacking.

There was a EULA for the hardware and PSN access, he signed it, he's subject to all the consequences violating it entails. They don't just make all that legal mumbo-jumbo to spook the sheep.

And if he just wanted to homebrew, he didn't have to share or tell anyone else about it. He told the world and showed them how knowing full and well it would be used for unsavory purposes. You cannot portray this fucker as an innocent, he asked for this attention.

Five percent of homebrewers doing neat little pointless things does not make up for the damage the other 95% of people will do with it. Only a handful of people truly homebrew - everyone else uses this sort of thing to pirate and cheat. One bad apple is one thing, but when the whole bunch is bad, the few good apples aren't worth a shit.

This guy is not one of the good apples either way.

PS3 being designed by idiots does not excuse his actions. We have tons of things designed by idiots all over the world - it doesn't mean we get the right to start stealing shit.

[Tickmeoff]

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There was a EULA for the hardware and PSN access, he signed it, he's subject to all the consequences violating it entails.

He stated multiple times that he never signed up for PSN and thus never signed into any agreement or terms of service.

All he did was enable homebrew and restore the "Other OS" functionality of the console. Some other team of people used that to accomplish piracy. You're going to blame him for the actions of others, or blame him because of what his work might lead to?

Are you gonna go around and arrest every gun salesman because the guns they sell might be used for murder? Shut down every store that sells cutlery because knives might be used for stabbing people?

I'm pretty sure you could use just about anything to commit a crime. You've got your work cut out for you.

Like myself I only hacked my PsP so I could run gameboy emulation on it, I don't pirate games

You just stated that you hacked your PSP to play pirated Gameboy games and that you do not pirate games in the same sentence. Actually, it's two sentences and a comma splice, but whatever. Don't pretend you are any different from everyone else with a CFW'd PSP. You've probably never run a legitimate homebrew application with it.

[Mezlo]

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Also, Geohotz and those sympathetic toward him can eat a bowl of hot dicks.

If this was intended to mean F them, they got what they deserved, wouldn't "cold" dicks be an even more deserving meal?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Some other team of people used that to accomplish piracy. You're going to blame him for the actions of others, or blame him because of what his work might lead to?

Do you think well of the people that dreamed up nuclear power? Wait, lets ask Japan about that. Is the legacy bringing a viable energy resource to millions of lives or Hiroshima and the possibility of WWIII? I mean, since we're being silly and using weapon analogies, lets' go right to the top.

Lots of things can be misused, it doesn't mean the creator the person who used it "for good" is fondly remembered.

Hell, half these hackers probably don't even know who Geohotz is.

[Kailea]

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You just stated that you hacked your PSP to play pirated Gameboy games and that you do not pirate games in the same sentence. Actually, it's two sentences and a comma splice, but whatever. Don't pretend you are any different from everyone else with a CFW'd PSP. You've probably never run a legitimate homebrew application with it.

oh please, you can not compare me having gameboy roms, to someone who has pirated PS3 games......

Like I said before, once they are not sold in stores (NEW) anymore and the companies do not make main revenue off them, its up for grabs.

It is a shame that Homebrew is tarnished by piracy like that, but it is.

(if you have not noticed by now I dont see emulation of the older systems as piracy)

[Malacite]

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Lots of things can be misused, it doesn't mean the creator the person who used it "for good" is fondly remembered.

Just as an aside, Einstein was ridden with guilt, haunted by the horrors of the two bombs for the rest of his life.


I don't see much of an issue emulating games that are not on the market anyway either, but like BBQ said it only takes one little douche bag to screw the pooch.

[Aeni]

Re: Hotz vs SCEA

Sony v. Hotz: mismatched serial numbers and sealed manuals

Latest episode in a very protracted legal battle. Not sure if Sony will settle or is planning to make Hotz an example for some agenda.