Final Fantasy XIII-2 Rumored

[Absentia]

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It's not the investment that entitles me to disliking them or the game, it's the experience of playing the game.

Well I apologize, I took your wording as you disliked them before you tried their product. My misunderstanding.

Anyway, what makes the 360 more of a gaming console than the Wii?

[DakAttack]

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It wasn't designed as a platform for Microsoft to push their own software, moreso an all-around entertainment platform. They may own or fund a few studios here and there, and they do buy up the rights for console exclusives from time to time, but I don't see that as selling out. They also offer a section of XBLA for indie developers, and connect the user with other services, such as Netflix and Facebook(which will probably be pulled).

The DS is more of a gaming console than the Wii. I suppose why I don't think the Wii is a gaming console is a combination of the first-party developer's intentions and the support of third-party developers. Again, the Wii is more or less an open platform for Nintendo to push their software for the current generation. Once somebody develops 4D TVs, we'll see Nintendo revive Mario and build a console for him, no matter how long he's been dead.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Because it's primary function is to print money for Nintendo. They develop consoles so they can recycle their line-up of iconic characters. Why? Money. It's the same reason I don't consider most "musicians" to be artists; their entire existence and all resulting products are formulated by a group of people for the sole purpose of making money. So what if some third-party developers had a few decent games published for it, it's still not worthy of being considered a platform for gaming.

So games like...

Uncharted
Little Big Planet
Killzone
Halo
Gears of War
Fallout
Elder Scrolls
Tomb Raider

These aren't made for the sheer purpose of making money?

I could diminish the value of any of these games if I seriously wanted to and pan them as franchises that simply exist to make money and, as such, are not serious games. How would that make you feel?

The Wii had a damn good year last year, third parties included. Hell its fall and winter releases were attnetion-worthy and critically acclaimed for the most part. Your argument is invalid.

Also, just because MS has become weak as a first party doesn't mean they did it so third party games would shine. That's the biggest load of shit I've heard in a while. MS has so many great properties and they just let them go to waste or run teams like Ensemble and Rare into the ground. Why do you think Activision has Bungie now? They've hinted at like three new IPs, probably because MS would never let new IPs happen with Bungie.

And considering Nintendo thrives on exclusives and PS3 has at least 20 exclusives this year, I may as well just get a PC and download Steam instead of shelling out for a 360, its not like there's much of a loss or a difference 360 and PC. So I don't get a Halo for a year. It will come out on PC sometime.

[Malacite]

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Where either console has a weakness, the other seems to have a strength. My biggest issue with the PS3 is that the firmware is so cold and sterile. It doesn't allow multiple players to sign into their accounts simultaeneously, and it hardly supports mobile profiles. The Xbox 360 is much warmer in this respect, allowing four players to sign in simultaeneously, allowing four players to use headsets simultaeneously, etc.

Yeah this is still one of the areas Sony is really slacking on. It's gotten better, but it's still nowhere near the level of XBL.

[Ufgt]

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Fanboy rage all up in this.

*goes back to playing my n-gage.*

[Malacite]

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You say "better at making money" like it's a good thing. Who else is great at making money? EA and Activision. Both companies are devoid of integrity because they're essentialy video game factories. Nintendo is pretty close to that level of deplorability.

As of late I would have to agree. I think it started to go downhill with the DS, maybe even pokemon. Not that there hasn't been some spectacular, creative shit from them (Super Mario Galaxy for one) but something about Nintendo has just been bothering me for the longest time. I haven't really felt any love for them since they launched Game Cube. Back in the SNES and N64 days though, I loved 'em to death.

I still feel that Sony has the best exclusive stuff though. I've bought all or most of the major PS3 exclusives (Lair being one of the exceptions LOL) and I've yet to be disappointed. 360 is getting there too now, but I just really love the things Sony throws out like Heavy Rain, LBP, Valkyria, Legend of the Dragoon etc (God I wish they'd make a sequel to that game already).


Whereas by contrast, I again strangely find myself agreeing with BBQ again with regards to SE - Fucking slow it down with the Final Fantasy stuff already. I love the series to death, but lately it's as though their treating FF the way Activision treats CoD - and that is not good. XIII Versus and Agito (or Type-0 or whatever the fuck it's called now) were already planned a while ago, but now they've got all these other titles too.

Either they don't grasp the concept of over-exposure, or they're getting desperate.

[DakAttack]

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So games like...

Uncharted
Little Big Planet
Killzone
Halo
Gears of War
Fallout New Vegas
Elder Scrolls
Tomb Raider

These aren't made for the sheer purpose of making money?

I've been waiting for you! I italicized the ones made only to make money, and added New Vegas.

And considering Nintendo thrives on exclusives and PS3 has at least 20 exclusives this year, I may as well just get a PC and download Steam instead of shelling out for a 360, its not like there's much of a loss or a difference 360 and PC. So I don't get a Halo for a year. It will come out on PC sometime.

Sure, we might as well only have PCs, but a lot of people don't like that route. With and since Halo 2, it's been about the money. I think it was originally about the art, and became a mixed bag over time, eventually settling on money as the only reason it exists. Any evolutions in game-play are spurred by whatever's currently selling games the fastest.

[Absentia]

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It wasn't designed as a platform for Microsoft to push their own software, moreso an all-around entertainment platform. They may own or fund a few studios here and there, and they do buy up the rights for console exclusives from time to time, but I don't see that as selling out. They also offer a section of XBLA for indie developers, and connect the user with other services, such as Netflix and Facebook(which will probably be pulled).

The DS is more of a gaming console than the Wii. I suppose why I don't think the Wii is a gaming console is a combination of the first-party developer's intentions and the support of third-party developers. Again, the Wii is more or less an open platform for Nintendo to push their software for the current generation. Once somebody develops 4D TVs, we'll see Nintendo revive Mario and build a console for him, no matter how long he's been dead.

The Wii has Netflix as well. The Wii also offers up the opportunity to purchase and play a variety of games from past consoles (including non-Nintendo consoles) which I thoroughly enjoy. There's a pretty nice selection there. Also, as other consoles, it has backwards compatibility so I can play my Gamecube games. Oh and hey, they through in some Gamecube controller ports and memory card ports. Yes, with the PS3 I can make memory card slots within the system, but I still have to buy an accessory to plug in my PS2 memory cards to access old data.


Also, I'm not sure why you used Facebook as an example for why something is a gaming console when you tried to compare the Wii (a non-gaming console in your eyes) to Facebook.

[DakAttack]

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The Wii has Netflix as well. The Wii also offers up the opportunity to purchase and play a variety of games from past consoles (including non-Nintendo consoles) which I thoroughly enjoy. There's a pretty nice selection there. Also, as other consoles, it has backwards compatibility so I can play my Gamecube games. Oh and hey, they through in some Gamecube controller ports and memory card ports. Yes, with the PS3 I can make memory card slots within the system, but I still have to buy an accessory to plug in my PS2 memory cards to access old data.


Also, I'm not sure why you used Facebook as an example for why something is a gaming console when you tried to compare the Wii (a non-gaming console in your eyes) to Facebook.

Offering selections of old games for purchase can either be a way to make more money or just a niceity; it could go either way. Not offering said games could be seen as a way to force players to purchase new, expensive games, rather than the cheap, old ones.

And I'm pretty sure Facebook access will eventually be pulled from Xbox Live and PSN. The only other way I can see this going down is if some partnership were formed, where the opportunity to make money is mutual, rather than simply on Facebook's side.

[Cheezeman3000]

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So, explain to my why, again, the Wii is not a gaming console when all you can really do on it is play games? I'd understand if you said the PS3 was not primarily a gaming console because it also has Blu ray and other media features. I'd also kinda understand if you said XBox because it, well, plays DVD movies and... stuff. But the Wii? The most non-gaming it gets is with its Netflix streaming and limited web browsing. May I also remind you that it plays most of the classic games from the original NES to the N64.

All these things considered, if the Wii is not a game console, translation: a platform on which you can play games, then what is it, exactly?

[DakAttack]

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So, explain to my why, again, the Wii is not a gaming console when all you can really do on it is play games? I'd understand if you said the PS3 was not primarily a gaming console because it also has Blu ray and other media features. I'd also kinda understand if you said XBox because it, well, plays DVD movies and... stuff. But the Wii? The most non-gaming it gets is with its Netflix streaming and limited web browsing. May I also remind you that it plays most of the classic games from the original NES to the N64.

All these things considered, if the Wii is not a game console, translation: a platform on which you can play games, then what is it, exactly?

The primary intention behind development of the PS3 and the Xbox 360 was for entertainment. Of course Sony and Microsoft make money, all businesses must unless they want to go under. On the other hand, the primary intention behind developing the Wii was creating another platform for Nintendo to push the next iterations of their insanely old, yet iconic IPs. Yes, Nintendo develops games from their IPs, but not because they want to develop games, but because they want to make money. With DS sales through the roof, I think they have enough of it.

The Wii is as much a gaming platform as a laptop is.

[Absentia]

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The primary intention behind development of the PS3 and the Xbox 360 was for entertainment. Of course Sony and Microsoft make money, all businesses must unless they want to go under. On the other hand, the primary intention behind developing the Wii was creating another platform for Nintendo to push the next interations of their insanely old, yet iconic IPs. Yes, Nintendo develops games from their IPs, but not because they want to develop games, but because they want to make money. With DS sales through the roof, I think they have enough of it.

The Wii is as much a gaming platform as a laptop is.

I don't understand. How does the way you THINK they want to make money make the Wii any less of a gaming console? It is built to be a gaming console. I'm pretty sure the moment a Wii is turned on that person isn't thinking "oh hey I better check muh twitterz n emailz n facespace". I get this feeling that a game is inserted or a game is selected and FUN IS ABOUT TO BE HAD MY MAN. MAJOR FUCKING FUN. *high five DKC Returns*

[Malacite]

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Sure, we might as well only have PCs, but a lot of people don't like that route. With and since Halo 2, it's been about the money. I think it was originally about the art, and became a mixed bag over time, eventually settling on money as the only reason it exists. Any evolutions in game-play are spurred by whatever's currently selling games the fastest.

This is true of a lot of developers, but not all of them. Blizzard is a pretty good example of this. Yeah yeah WoW is a money whore etc etc, but the fact remains that with all their games they still care about their products. They don't release them until they're ready, always shooting down speculation from reporters. And they also fucking listen to their fanbase unlike another certain Japanese company has done up until very recently.

Then you have guys like Hideo Kojima, who are in it for the product, not the money. MGS4 is a testament to that, and it's why I love devs like Kojima san. I could name a bunch of others but I think I've made my point.


The thing about the Wii, and why I don't see it as a true gaming platform is because that's not what Nintendo is even really going for with it. It's more of toy, I find, but for the family and non-gamers. It's a lure, essentially, to get people who'd otherwise
be uninterested in Nintendo's products. The Wii has had a couple of really innovative, breath taking titles (though Twilight Princess is technically a Cube game that was ported) but again ultimately, it's not really a platform for experiencing top quality gaming. It's just there for fun, and to get people together and I have to credit Nintendo for this from the business perspective - They really grabbed hold of a winning money-maker. But I maintain that the 360 and especially the PS3 are where it's at for hardcore, immersive stuff like Heavy Rain and Mass Effect etc. The only reason Nintendo still keeps up the odd traditional title we're used to is because they don't want to lose their old install base, but honestly it's getting to the point where they probably could cut us out and it wouldn't make that big a dent in their pockets.

Also I propose a change of the threat title, either to the current subject or at least FF13-2 "Confirmed" since we know it's real now.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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In my mind, if you can disregard Wii as a gaming platform, then its just as easy to disregard 360 and PS3.

Face it, you guys just want to play the "what's wrong with Nintendo" bullshit even in the face of them pounding Sony and MS for the fifth year in a row. That's some serious denial you have going on there.

If there's something I can say about about Wii, Facebook and even iPhone gamers is they are not as close to being as fucking stupid as hardcore gamers are. They just like what they like and that's OK. You twits with you cocks in your PS3s and 360s go and spend hundreds of dollars a month at $60 a game just so you can chest thump about what "real" games are on forums?

Really, who are the idiots here - us or them?

I'm going to say its us because we spend more time on meaningless bullshit than they do. Its just a distraction for them. The guy just playing Farmville isn't signing his paychecks away to Best Buy and GameStop, either.

Do you seriously want to argue that our way of gaming is somehow superior to theirs? Because we're the stupid ones happy to be fleeced on a near-weekly basis. Its not them.

They're not sitting there looking at their hardware with disdain because a game didn't come out for it this week. They don't see that as a problem. They're like we were back in the 80s and 90s - happy to play what they have.

Its sort of why I like the Wii - there's not a fucking million games looming over the horizon that I'll be stupid enough to buy, but never finish. So I finish what I have. I actually finish games on the Wii. Its beautiful. I have no real Wii "backlog" to worry about, I just have the next game I want to finish.

[Raydeus]

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Ugh, New Vegas...