Dissidia 2 at TGS next week?

[Firewind]

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I think it was the fact that she was a bit of a tomboy, swore like a sailor and flashed a room or Tarus and Mithra.

Also, Lilisette was waaaay more lolicon and even written like she was a flash-in-the pan JP teen idol.

Also, why would you pick FFXI Gilgamesh over any the one that crosses over into other FF games? Battle at the Big Bridge is his jam. Maybe FFXI Gilgamesh will be an alt skin, but old school Gilgamesh wins the popular vote, I'd hope.

The characters were picked on pure popularity alone.

Wasn't Lilisette supposed to be a jab at teen idols? She was older than Prishe too and wasn't a complete and utter bitch to the entire cast. More importantly she was well developed and fleshed out while Prishe just hijacked the CoP story and had it focus on her and only her for the rest of it. To be honest you could take her out of the CoP story and nothing would change plot-wise in the long run. She just seems to be there for no reason and you really have to stretch your willing suspension of disbelief to see her slotted into the story.

Gilgamesh was already a summon in Dissidia 1 and I was picking FFXI characters that would be more interesting to play than a character that is like a 14 year old girl's self insertion fic's character whose gripe at the story was that she wasn't in it. Still FFV Gilgamesh will be awesome and I won't complain about hearing more Battle of the Big Bridge since it's one of my all time favourite FF songs.

The "Jerk Sue" entry on TV Tropes can sum up why I can't stand Prishe better than I can (mostly because I have about 15 minutes before I have to leave for college and I contributed to the entry anyway)

Prishe from Final Fantasy XI: Chains of Promathia is a particularly scary case of a fully-grown Final Fantasy fanfic style Mary Sue (regardless what that means to you, she fits) in a (vaguely) canonical game. Indeed, she could be put on most of the other pages, but she gets the prize for being so incredibly over-the-top in her "spunkiness". There isn't a single moment where she isn't either calling somebody out (usually over something trivial) or just generally complaining (often over how it sucks to be her). Yet, for all her abrasiveness, there is not one person who challenges her to her face. Indeed, characters feel derailed when dealing with her; even a Proud Warrior Race Guy falls in place around this small girl. There's even a character that exists for no reason but to hammer in to the audience that yes, she's very special underneath her twenty layers of bitchiness.

The closest things to backlash she gets are her town referring to her as "the Abhorrent One" - in reference not to her personality, but to how she's just too powerful and special to bear (right) - and her status as a "social outsider," which is promptly contradicted when her role as head of the patrol guards is revealed. As for what is meant by "fanfic style" - she manages the neat trick of making the story feel like a generic fanfic rewrite of a regular Final Fantasy game by a 14-year-old rebellious girl whose biggest gripe with the original story was that she wasn't in it. From the moment Prishe enters the scene to the end, the plot's comprehensibility and general continuity gets shot to hell because things get unnaturally focused on her. It feels like no real effort was given to make her anything close to important in the plot because it would have been too much effort: her importance is an Informed Ability.

To indemnify her further, she indulges in Common Mary Sue Traits. She's an Elvaan girl who stopped ageing after a chance encounter with a Cosmic Keystone (the same one that apparently gave her near-godly superpowers), and she has some great destiny that (ostensibly) ties into the fate of the known universe. In spite of (ostensibly) being treated like a social outcast, she has the best outfit of anybody you meet in Tavnazia.

Prishe is still semi-popular, but almost exclusively for her character modelâ—Š. Comments about how Prishe is "hot" (and legal - despite having the body of a young kid, she's well over the age of consent) are common. Comments about Prishe being a well-developed, believable character are extremely rare. Even people who like her for her characterization won't try to argue against her being a Mary Sue.

EDIT: I will admit that there are worse chaarcters though. Particularly in Blizzard games. Sylvanas Windrunner (Undead Leader), Varian Wrynn (Human Leader and Alliance Leader) and Garrosh Hellscream (Orc leader and Current Horde Leader). Especially Sylvanas who is depicted as perfect due to being an undead elf yet she seems more interested in becoming the next Lich King (or at least taking over leadership of The Scourge) and murdering all her allies, including the Blood Elves (who have only just begun to trust her) and nobody seems willing to call her out on it, nor does anyone under her try to stop her, instead they insist on how perfect she is.

Garrosh isn't too bad despite having a number of Mary Sue traits, he's screwed up peace treaties between the Alliance and Horde and didn't get called out on it due to Thrall (the former leader) having endless patience with him, but in Cataclysm he's having to deal with the political shitstorm of having alienated pretty much the entire horde.

Varian's probably the best example, since he's a shining white knight archetype who is perfect in every way yet he's a complete and utter dick to everyone around him.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I think you're spending a bit too much time on TV Tropes now (and in anime, at that). I'd rather deal in Final Fantasy tropes given this is Dissidia.

When i think about the existing cast of Dissidia, the themes they touch upon and how everyone interacts, Prishe is a solid fit. She was also originally slated for the first game, but Nomura wanted to go with Shantotto when the roster was being finalized.

I can actually see Shantotto, Zidane, Prishe or possibly Terra traveling together in this game, because they'd get teamed against ideal opposites in Kefka and Kuja.

We have a mad jester who thinks everyone is beneath him and wants to destroy everything.
We have a tarutaru who believes everyone his beneath her and loves to destroy things.
We have a boy that knows his live has an expiration date, so he wants to destroy everything. He doesn't want to die.
We have a girl that can't die, and values herself so little she'll use her immortality protect others. She wants to die

Kefka kinda likes Kuja's attitude, since the other baddies are just obsessed with "the void" or ruling everyone, if everything can't be destroyed then what good is all this power he has? At least, that's Kefka on the surface, he also lives his life to prove the same point The Joker does - that everyone can fall, everything ends and everyone dies. But otherwise, he doesn't even see Kuja as on his level. For one, he's not as much of a schemer and on the hand he's already even. Nothing here to break.

This is why he wants Terra so badly. She's potentially more powerful than anyone, yet left unspoiled, so innocent and beautiful. If he could ruin her mind or at least control it then he's accomplished what he wants again and is ready to fall once more.

Prishe is totally opposite Kuja, wheras Zidane is kind of an annoying blob of hope and sunshine (like Sora, if a bit more streetwise), Prishe wants the things Kuja does not. She wants to die, but only because she sees so little value in herself. Since she can't die, she'll live her life to protect those that hate and fear her. And with Terra being one who's scared of her power and also scared of hurting others, she stands to gain something from what appears to be selflessness in Prishe (even if its really just a deathwish).

Its all speculation, but so much of the original Dissidia story ran on familiar storyline themes and conclusions that I'd say half of this is likely to happen. They managed to keep some surprises obscured early on in announcements, like Tidus and Cloud going to the side of Chaos, though I can seen story-based reasons for that in the other games as well, to say nothing of the original Dissidia.

When you do a crossover, you wants some match-ups based on thematic similarity or at least an ideal dichotmy.

The problem with Final Fantasy villains is that they all want one of three things: To rule, to destroy or to cast all into oblivion.

If we wanted a villain that was slightly different from that from FFXI and an ideal opposite to Prishe (not Promathia, really, because he wants to die, too), then Nag'molada would be it. He doesn't want to destroy all, rule all or cast the world into oblivion, but he doesn't really care about the consequences to others if he can go from being Kuluu to Zilart again. Its a Kuja level of selfishness, but totally different in how he expresses it.

[Firewind]

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I actually contribute to that site so it's a force of habit to quote them a lot, particularly pages that I have contributed to.

I can see where you're coming from though that doesn't mean I have to like the character . Though your story speculation is interesting, then again I love Zidane so I will listen to any crazy story with him in it. I guess I'm just frustrated that no other FFXI characters ever seem to get a look-in when it comes to it. As much as I dislike them as characters, Shantotto and Prishe are the closest things to the faces of the game I guess.

Still! Kain and Tifa confirmed which is awesome. I actually really liked the Dynamic that Tifa and Aeris had in FFVII. The tomboyish martial artist was actually shy and quiet while the girly white mage was actually very energetic and quite aggressive.

I'd love to see Yuna or Rikku (or really any FFX character since I love all of them) playable too. Yuna would make more sense since it would mean that Seymour can be in and we will have more magic users represented to boot.

EDIT: Didn't realise Yuna was confirmed. Awesome!

[Gobo]

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I'm really wondering if there will be any more characters. Both Prishe's and Gilgamesh's artwork as well as lots of characters 3rd form costumes were found in the demo, but there have been no reports of unannounced characters. Then again, Aerith as an assist character isn't in the demo but is coded for the final game.

EDIT: I was wrong, Aerith's artwork is in the demo XD

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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The red-skirt Tifa wasn't in there, either, that's a pre-order bonus for the JP release.

As much as I dislike them as characters, Shantotto and Prishe are the closest things to the faces of the game I guess.

There are characters that you can pull for in FFXI and then there the characters that shock and entertain. Aldo, Trion, Gilamesh - they're only interesting. There's still a bit of mystery to them, but because they never really go that far with such characters, they come off rather one-note. I guess you could say Aldo got his bit of closure.

When a character like Shantotto, Prishe or Zeid show up, you know somethings going to go down and it will be funny or badass or both. Ajido-Marojido is also one of those characters. I suppose Naja Salaheem and Nanaa Migho are also kinda there, too. But if there was an Elvaan high on the radar, I'd say Prishe was it.

If there was a hume that was nearly as entertaining as any of those characters, I'd have to go with SCH chick that eavesdrops on everyone. Or Maat, the ultimate in all-arounders.

[Firewind]

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And speaking of TV Tropes, a friend showed me this earlier:

[Malacite]

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I've never understood the fanbases' fixation with Prishe besides being a bunch of loli-loving perverts, but she at least became interesting at the end. She looks a bit older in Dissidia, so that's cool. I would've preferred Tenzen, but this'll do.

How can you not love her? She's so fiesty/spunky & full of life

Not everyone is a lolicon pervert, though I'm not gonna deny their interest in her >_> (Plus I mean she's technically like, in her 30's or something - just give her a good 3~5 years now that she's mortal again :3)

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The problem with Final Fantasy villains is that they all want one of three things: To rule, to destroy or to cast all into oblivion.

Well, you could argue that Vain was the only one to differ from this path in a sense - He wanted to rule, but for a purpose. I still hate his character for basically abandoning his principals at the very end, becoming that which he sought to destroy and thus a giant (literally and metaphorically) hypocrite. He'd still make an interesting Dissidia character though, much more so than Vaan *pukes* (Would it have killed them to go with Lady Ashe instead?)

To be honest you could take her out of the CoP story and nothing would change plot-wise in the long run. She just seems to be there for no reason and you really have to stretch your willing suspension of disbelief to see her slotted into the story.

It's been some time since I finished CoP but I'm fairly certain Prishe was a lot more integral to the over all plot than that - Especially her Abyssea version.

[jenova_9]

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website update, mew

DISSIDIA 012 FINAL FANTASY | SQUARE ENIX

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Just looked at the character page:

Gabranth gets a spot on the character page, but there's no "card" on that page for Shantotto.

Why do I get a bad feeling from that? She's not exactly a secret character.

Also, when is SE going to stop making webpages that are so load-heavy?

[jenova_9]

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players playing demo at home.

[Gobo]

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Just looked at the character page:

Gabranth gets a spot on the character page, but there's no "card" on that page for Shantotto.

Why do I get a bad feeling from that? She's not exactly a secret character.

Also, when is SE going to stop making webpages that are so load-heavy?

There are no cards for II, V, or XI. Gabranth was added when Vaan was added.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I forgot this is one of Nomura's teams for a second, only cryptic methods can be applied.

So Bartz and Exdeath can't get a spot until Gilgamesh shows up? That's a pretty damn weird way to go about it.

That would also suggest that if Firion and The Emperor don't have cards yet, that there's another character from II? I guess Maria could be popular enough, though I seriously doubt there are characters popular enough from FF to FFV to edge out someone like Shadow or Edgar from FFVI. Its just a bit disappointing to see FFVI not getting any extra representation.

[jenova_9]

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"Prishe:
Concept: Combo Maker
Description: Freely combines/combos her attacks, can link these with her original 'super moves'.

Gilgamesh:
Concept: Scramble Fighter
Description: Pick a suitable weapon to attack; even Gilgamesh can't predict the power."

Descriptions found within Prologus' game files, taken from DissidiaForums.

[Gobo]

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"Time for a taste of knuckle sandwich a la Prishe!" and "You can't stop the flood of mortal existence!" over and over might get real old after a while

[jenova_9]

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new video!