So... Starcraft 2?

[DakAttack]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

Why not? Everybody isn't always available to play with everybody.

Besides, it's only a few tweaks that would be neccessary to improve it.

[MrMageo]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

I havet played in a while, it just got stale, frankly i am tired of seeing the same crap every game, and who can rush faster/or blob more. I got sick of seeing MMM balls, and mass Vray's I got sick of hearing zerg bitch after every game because they sat back and let me build the perfect counter units to their forces. Basically I just got tired of the repetitive nature of the game. Same BO's in every game, depending on player skill some might get out faster than others, but its the same crap. I hope the update changes things a bit, if it ever gets released. Most of all I am pissed that I can't play offline, I installed the game on my laptop, and was at my grandparents house and couldn't even play the single player. Frankly for 10 years of development, once the initial 1 month OMG effect wore off the game sucks.

I still can't meet other people outside of games, where is the chat service so I can find new friends to play with instead of just randoming 2+v2+. Its stupid.

[Aeni]

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You say that like random teaming is supposed to be fun. I can't imagine someone who takes Starcraft seriously wanting that to be the feature Blizzard attempts to revolve the game around.

Well it was the same argument for battlegrounds in WoW. Blizzard made some adjustments but it still didn't stop the premade teams from getting around the adjustments to farm the pugs. But I digress ... if I play these random games, I just have to deal with whatever problems come out of them and just wait till friends feel like playing with me. Yes, it sucks, but there's not much to be done about it unless Blizzard decides to rain miracles on all of us (and maybe I'll get my pony then)

[Yellow Mage]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

Blizzard Bans Single Player Cheaters - Cheat Happens Article

I'm just going to leave this . . .

/em is shot by a Korean.

[DakAttack]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

Blizzard Bans Single Player Cheaters - Cheat Happens Article

I'm just going to leave this . . .

/em is shot by a Korean.

TOS are TOS. You can't cheat without knowing you're breaking the rules, and the only option Blizz has is to take this stuff seriously.

[Malacite]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

Anyone see the update preview? Blizzard fails.

Their solution to PvT being lopsided towards toss? Nerf Terran. Great work there Bliz, great work...

[DakAttack]

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Anyone see the update preview? Blizzard fails.

Their solution to PvT being lopsided towards toss? Nerf Terran. Great work there Bliz, great work...

Terran needs nerfs, but not in any way they're planning to. Reapers aren't that serious; just don't throw light armor units at them and you're fine.

[Lmnop]

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They nerfed T last patch. Even +5 seconds of Reaper build time and Z players are fighting off 5 rax reapers all the time. But Blizzard isn't satisfied to let this play out as it should*, so they're making 4 changes all designed to make the reaper weaker vs Z.

-increased roach range, so it's harder to kite them off the creep with reapers (where your only real protection is roaches and queens)
-increased zerg building health -- because blowing up Z tech is the only real use for the reaper building attack.
-delayed reaper speed upgrade so there's no possible way reapers can be good until tier 2 units are fielded.
-retarded supply depot > barracks gimmick to eliminate all terran cheese. This one wouldn't bother me too bad if they put stuff in to slow down the other races early on. 10-pooling Z is really strong vs toss right now and barely sets their economy back.

It bothers me that all these knee-jerk changes are being proposed by blizzard, when all Z fans are crying despite their 51% win rate (vs T) in diamond league.

*Dunno if any of you know of a guy named Bisu, but I believe he was responsible for bringing protoss out of a 1-2 year slump vs Zerg in brood war. Between his Bisu build and the sair/reaver build that came out of it, toss went from losing all their games vs Z to winning them all. It took months for Z pros to find a way to counter these strats and get their footing. Blizzard didn't just nerf toss for finally winning a game.

Those early tourneys where protoss started utilizing corsairs heavily looked a lot like these recent tournaments where T has just 5-rax reaper'd every Z in play.

[DakAttack]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

knee-jerk changes

Nothing they do is knee-jerk, it takes forver for them to kick an update out the door. On top of that, it's always for the wrong things. Reapers are a threat because they can easily destroy economy lines and buildings, so they should focus on their attack speed, or attack power. In the time it takes to reach critical mass you could have a few upgrades for them, as well, meaning even more damage. Defending against them is easy, though, all it takes it armored units, which everybody has access to when Terran have access to Reapers.

They need to nerf Void Rays and Marines/Marauders/Medivacs.

[Malacite]

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Bio Ball is fine. It's only really a problem vs Zerg, and it looks like that's being addressed somewhat:


• We're increasing roach range. This will allow roaches to be more effective in large groups, giving the zerg more options in the mid to end game.

• Fungal Growth will now prevent Blink, which will give zerg a way to stop endlessly Blinking stalkers which can be very challenging to deal with in large numbers.

• The Barracks are going to require a Supply Depot, which will impact a lot of early terran reaper pushes.

• The reaper speed upgrade will require the Factory, which is meant to weaken a lot of the early terran reaper attacks that dominate so many matches, especially in team games.

• We're making a number of increases to the health of zerg buildings, which will make the very vulnerable zerg technology structures more resistant to raids. We don't expect these hit point changes to have a super significant impact on the game, but the current numbers felt way too low.


^ Was Zerg really that unbalanced? I hear a lot of people crying about it yet at the top levels Z players seem to do just fine.

[Lmnop]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

Nothing they do is knee-jerk, it takes forver for them to kick an update out the door.

MarroW beats Idra (one of the best Z players and a complete asshole who likes to scream imbalance), along with every other Z in that tournament at the end of August with 5 rax reapers. Sure, it'll be like half a year 'til it's implemented. But like a week after that tournament, they nerfed reaper build time. And here we are, 40 days later, with the announcement that they're not done yet. That's knee-jerk.

They need to nerf Void Rays and Marines/Marauders/Medivacs.

MMM is fine. More stuff for me to psi storm/feedback. Void Rays are just as bad as banshees. They both have retarded DPS and are relatively easy to keep alive. I really don't think VRs are banshees are overpowered, but they sure are obnoxious. If they nerf VRs, they'd better nerf banshees (I'd increase their build time slightly and that's about it).

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^ Was Zerg really that unbalanced? I hear a lot of people crying about it yet at the top levels Z players seem to do just fine.

In that same article, Browder pasted win rate statistics. TvZ is actually Zerg-favored in most leagues, including Diamond. He says they feel the win rates don't reflect the fun-factor. I can understand that, but I can also understand that Zerg players still aren't spreading creep and researching burrow. Both of which should be integral vs Terran.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I just saw this epic moment of spazz on Destructoid regarding Blizzard dispelling the rumor that people were getting banned for cheating in the offline mode:

Blizzard didn't ban over single-player StarCraft II cheats - Destructoid.com

I don't care what anyone says. It is NOT okay to ban someone from playing online when it was an offline or single-player match. THEY GAVE YOU $60 or more (different reigons/countries) and the player deserves Blizzard's respect. I don't care about ToS's, I don't care about "cheaters deserve to be banned", I don't care about them possibly going to cheat on multiplayer. Yes, ban them the moment they touch an online game with other people, but it better not be a second before that. Yes, banning is a great way to uphold a great online community in games and it goes a long way for the reputability of a game when you hear that you won't have to deal with cheaters if you buy it. But if I buy your damn game, its should be my RIGHT to do whatever I want with it when its just me and the computer. I'm tired of this whole "games/films/music/media are/is a privileges" and "you're basically just renting the game out" deal. If that's where we're going, well I feel really sorry for the industry.

I know nothing about Starcraft, however, if this guy is so adamant about his right to cheat offline, then how am I supposed to seriously believe he could competently play a game this involved without the cheats and trainers to help him? Chances are with a game like this that if you're cheating offline, you're also cheating online.

The level of overreaction here - particularly given Blizzard said they were only banning online offenders - actually just confirms this person would be cheating either way.

[Malacite]

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He does still have a point though in that fit of rage - That's pretty asinine to ban someone for cheating offline and vs the AI.

Is it hurting anyone? No. And he's certainly not getting better @ the game by cheating. Shit, there were cheats programmed into SC1!

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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He does still have a point though in that fit of rage - That's pretty asinine to ban someone for cheating offline and vs the AI.

Be that as it may, the point remains Blizzard isn't banning for offline cheating at all. So he comes off extremely paranoid for insisting it should never occur when its not happening.

They just ban the people that do it online, which is the right thing to do, and yet you're still going to have plenty who will play dumb or innocent and try to make Blizzard the bad guys.

If you cheated, take it like grown-up and bow out gracefully. If you didn't and still got banned, same deal. Every ToS and EULA out there states that they have the right to ban you for any reason they see fit. If it happened to me, I'm not going to bitch. It would suck, but at least people are getting banned and if they got me by mistake at least they're getting more legit ones along the way. I'll just buy a new copy and start anew if I liked the game that much.

[Taskmage]

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If someone wants to cheat in single player or vs the AI, they should use the dozens of cheat codes that are built into the game. Downloading hacks to do the same thing is not just asking for it, it's pointless. My guess is that the people who claim to be getting banned for cheating offline actually used their cheats in a custom melee, where you're a single player vs an AI but the game is hosted and run from the battle.net servers.