So... Starcraft 2?

[Aeni]

Re: So... Starcraft 2?

While Colossi might not be the greatest threat in 1v1, they're huge in team games, espesially if it's a Protoss/Zerg team. Protoss can safely go Colossi while Zerg use a mix of Mutalisks and Corruptors, or all Mutalisks.

8x battlecruisers and 8x Yamato cannons = 8 less colossi.

[Malacite]

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8x battlecruisers and 8x Yamato cannons = 8 less colossi.

Yeah good luck getting BC's out...

[Aeni]

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Yeah good luck getting BC's out...

You have trouble getting them out? That's crazy ... I can get any tier 3 unit out within 6 minutes.

In one match I got out DTs in 4 minutes. If people are having problems getting higher techs out and still crank out Tier 1 units for base defense, you'll need to re-examine build order.

[Malacite]

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You have trouble getting them out? That's crazy ... I can get any tier 3 unit out within 6 minutes.

In 1 v 1?

[Ufgt]

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You have trouble getting them out? That's crazy ... I can get any tier 3 unit out within 6 minutes.

In one match I got out DTs in 4 minutes. If people are having problems getting higher techs out and still crank out Tier 1 units for base defense, you'll need to re-examine build order.

uhhh... I call bullshit.

65+50+50+100 is already more than 4 minutes lol. Stop making shit up just to prove a point.

[Aeni]

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uhhh... I call bullshit.

65+50+50+100 is already more than 4 minutes lol. Stop making shit up just to prove a point.

This was before the nerfs to the Protoss which added build times to many of their structures, but the point remains. I think Day 9 even has a tutorial to get DTs in 5 minutes. In any event, if you take 10 minutes to get out any Tier 3 unit, you're doing it wrong.

And Ufgt ... there's something called Warp Gate. Maybe you should learn more about Protoss before trolling.

[Ufgt]

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How am I trolling? I main Protoss, I just posted up the building build times: Gateway (65), Core (50), Templar Archives (50), and Dark Shrine (100). That's already more than 4 minutes for just the buildings to get complete. Add another 5s for the unit warping in.

I still call bs on DTs in 4 minutes.

Also, if you are teching straight to T3, a timing push from the opponent will end the game since you'll be out armied by a huge margin.

[Aeni]

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Also, if you are teching straight to T3, a timing push from the opponent will end the game since you'll be out armied by a huge margin.

This wasn't in 1v1 but the point remains, that it's easier to do this with other players in your group. Also it's not BS, I'm still looking for the replay for it. Although I have to say there was something strange about that map when I was with a different set of friends and we were matched with Diamond League players in placement (we lost that one, although it was still epic) I was getting way more resources than usual and that may have been what lead to my obscenely fast DT push (I usually only do DT pushes if I'm placed in the back and one of my friends is going for a Korean All-In as Protoss) Now, it's entirely possible we may have lost to people who were hacking the map, but I decided to just chalk it up to weird server issues.

[Ufgt]

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Seriously, if you have the replay, post it. There is NO WAY (a mathematical impossibility) to get DTs in 4 minutes. And it's not even by being resource blocked. It's time related, so I have no clue how ANYONE can get around build times.

[Aeni]

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Seriously, if you have the replay, post it. There is NO WAY (a mathematical impossibility) to get DTs in 4 minutes. And it's not even by being resource blocked. It's time related, so I have no clue how ANYONE can get around build times.

Not sure what you're talking about but the in-game time isn't the same in real life time. You can set the game to be faster and things will move faster than the outside time (you can do this yourself with a stopwatch) This was before Blizzard added the in-game timer that you now see in a lot of casted replays.

Because SC2 can only display the most recent dozen replays (and like an idiot, I forgot to save it manually) it's no longer in my system. I did ask a friend if he saved it and waiting to hear from him. This was a 3v3 I believe from about a month ago and we had PPT vs PTZ.

Also: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=143888

[Ufgt]

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Okay, I JUST tried it and the fastest I can get a DT on to the field is 6:30 (give or take 5s either way based on travel time). This is building the right tech building right after the pre req building is done. Also, this was the game set on fastest setting.

I will reiterate again: 4 minutes is impossible.

[DakAttack]

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I've been having a lot of luck with Zerg using FE build into Mutalisks. Unfortunately, every game I'm winning I crash out of, somehow, and I think it's due to the OC on my CPU. I'm messing around with it, trying to stabilize it. It's SO frustrating to be dropped from a game like that.

[Aeni]

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Okay, I JUST tried it and the fastest I can get a DT on to the field is 6:30 (give or take 5s either way based on travel time). This is building the right tech building right after the pre req building is done. Also, this was the game set on fastest setting.

Did you use a stopwatch? I think we're getting things mixed up here. Remember, I did this BEFORE that patch that added the in-game timer. I followed Day 9's build to the T. It wasn't "under 4 minutes" ... I just said 4 minutes (which usually means in the ballpark between 4 min and 5 min) I'm reading again what I posted and what you're looking at.

There's a 30% difference in real time and game time. Having the game go faster makes it (duh) go faster than real time.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8oLJU27rHU]YouTube - Starcraft 2 Day[9] Daily #126 P1/6 - Fine Tuning an Opening with Custom Maps[/ame]

^ Day 9 called it the 5 minute build and said you can get it under 5 minutes and I am talking about that ... real time. The reason why I don't like using game time is because it doesn't give you a sense of time the way others would see it. Also it's very wrong to say "i did this build in 6 min or 7 min or w/e" because that's not even the real time. You can even look at SC2 in-game and see they refer it to "units of time" and not "seconds" or "minutes".

[Malacite]

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^ this guy is a moron for the record.

[Malacite]

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I was talking about the guy in the video, sorry. He's a complete moron.