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  • #31
    Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

    hmm maybe Japan rooms would have more room if the bathroom was in the apartment hallway, like I mean you know how Wendy's has a bathroom apart from their front service. Why do they design small space areas anyways?

    I thought Japan was like a utopia of nice wide home spaces, everyone shares and is kind~, and free videogames are given out on weekends.

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    • #32
      Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

      But that's a matter of life circumstances that don't apply to most people. There are a lot of people who don't have room for a console in their lives; but there are also a lot of people who don't have a lot of free time while they're out and about for portables. If you drive everywhere, a portable doesn't do you a ton of good. Chances are you drive to where you're going, do what needs to be done there, and the most time you ever have is waiting in line. Good for short tasks; not even enough time to get into most games, even portable ones. This isn't the case for most people in Japan, Tokyo especially. Public transportation is the norm, and a commute of well over an hour isn't that uncommon. For millions of people, there would be mind numbing boredom over 10 hours a week were it not for portable entertainment; radio and books being the classics, games being more modern.

      EDIT: There is the fact though that Japan has paper thin insulation. This means that if you try to play your games at anything close to audible, you are an asshole. The only way to properly enjoy an HD, cinematic game would be with headphones. I don't know how many of you have worn headphones for long periods before, but it's how I do all my MGS runs. After a few hours, even the best pairs start to bug you. And wearing headphones all the time is just plain annoying. They have very good uses, but a comfortable full time sound system they are not. For all the production values PS3 games can have, lots of people in Japan are going to have tinny audio and video simply because they don't have the ability to have larger TVs and louder hifis in their homes.
      Beyond the space issue, yeah, this was kinda what I was steering toward.

      Apartment life over there isn't a mirror image of what we have over here. But even I had to make considerations when I lived in my old apartment. DDR was not an option when you live upstairs from to someone else. Might be good excersize, but my weight at the time probably wouldn't have helped matters.

      If Jenova and other western gamers had their way, a lot of handheld games would be console games and not succeed they way they can now. It would be great for western gamers, but it would alienate much of the Japanese developer's main audience.

      If you want to fault Japanese developers for anything, fault them for not adapting multiplayer properly for western release of their handheld games. Local mulitplayer just doesn't work out for many Americans. Might work if you live in somewhere that subway transit is more viable than going by car. I've only ever been on DC and VA subways, but I don't live there. I drive to work and other people that drive to work don't bring along handhelds like I might.

      There's also this perception that "handhelds are for kids" amoung gamers and I think that's going to die soon given everyone pokes around on their smartphones and many more adults want the 3DS more than I've ever known for DS or PSP. We're at a turning point over here in the US.

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      • #33
        Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

        oh mew, wonder if Dissidia 2 is coming to PS3.

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        • #34
          Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

          Originally posted by jenova_9 View Post
          Why do they design small space areas anyways?
          ...because it's a really tiny fucking country.


          Think about half the population of the USA. Crammed into a single state, about California's size.

          Now consider that a lot of that state is ALSO very mountainous. Which means if it isn't uninhabitable, there's a good chance that it is isolated from any real city (which almost always occur next to the sea, or on rivers which lead to the sea. It's all about harbors. They're still the method of international trade and commerce). Pretty much all of the careers being created in modern times take place in offices, in cities. Cities have always drawn population in from towns.


          Buying a big home in America is very easy: We build out almost everywhere. We don't mind hiding the cost of our housing in long, gas guzzling car commutes. We have room to build parking lots twice the size of the buildings we intend to go into after parking. Perhaps most importantly, we have city planning.

          Let me give you a small illustration.



          Downtown NYC. Heart of America. It's been accused of being fascist in its imposing wholeness. Exceptions are items of interest.



          Downtown Tokyo. Heart of Japan. Roads are constructed about as logically as something which would be humourous in the illogical nature of its construction.

          Hell, in Japan, there are streets which do not have names. The common method of assigning an address agrees that streets are a fucking horrible way to get around; they're assigned by blocks and sub-blocks within the city. And yes, you can zoom in on these things, I encourage you to check it out on google maps, it's a fucking nightmare. It's extremely common for Japanese businesses to provide maps on how to reach them, because it's assumed that's the only way you're ever going to get there.

          Why is this relevant, beyond the "Logical Japan is Illogical" gag? Because city planning allows you balance shit out, and mix your residential and commercial areas in a far more controlled way. It allows you to expand out to absurd levels while keeping pathfinding reasonable. Being navigable easily on a massive scale means car travel is viable. Car travel means not relying on public transport, which also encourages going out from the already built up areas of the city.

          Example:


          This is a rough outline of my school in the US; I would give the actual map, but it's probably completely obvious where I go by now anyway. Going to have to work harder, guys. Anyway, The black areas are the actual buildings where teaching happens. The red area is the parking lot. Note that this includes two modest, two level parking garages, and one huge, five level parking garage. And there are still problems with finding a parking space.

          This school has buses stop fairly regularly. Many students live near each other, or near enough to campus to bike or walk. Very few do. Hell, I tried to ride a bike at one point (broke down, and would be cheaper to just buy a new bike), I had a hard time finding any bike racks. As far as I can tell, there are enough bike racks at the entire school to hold about five or six bicycles. This at a school with tens of thousands of students every semester.

          It's endemic. Hell, not only did the local high school have to build new parking lots recently (once, while out on a walk, I witnessed a girl get out the family's SUV to literally drive across the street and park at the school. She wasn't running late. Luckily my neighborhood doesn't have that 'people driving to the mailbox and then back home' shit, but we're getting damn close), the local middle school has issues with parking. These are people that can drive nowhere else on their permits. They're literally driving there, and then back. My house was about as far as you could be while still going to that school; it was about a 20 minute walk. Obviously much shorter if you had a bike or weren't a fatass.

          tl;dr: Japan is choked into being small; America gets to keep on growin'.

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          • #35
            Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

            Originally posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten View Post
            Did the world really need Blu Ray, though? With Hulu and Netflix out there, the format is a fucking joke now. Should we spend money on physical media or a subscription fee at take a small hit in visual quality? Seems people do what they always do to save money. They take the hit in visual quality.
            And why should you dictate what the world needs? I personally love my BluRay movies. Its the only reason I even bought my PS3 because lord knows the library wasn't the reason. lol The funny thing is, you sound like you're saying that HDTV's aren't selling and people are buying SDTV's to save money. Seems like the HDTV market is strong and showing that people do like a better visual quality. Are BluRay movies selling? Why yes they are. Are DVD's on the way out? No they aren't. Its kind of like the PS2, they'll hang in there for a good while but eventually there will be less and less. It seems that people are adapting to a better visual quality, especially when it comes to gaming. What do you constantly hear about a game? Whether it looks good or not. Personally I think 3D is a fad until they can get a better handle on the tech. Look at Virtual Boy, a failure, and now Nintendo is picking up the 3D gauntlet again. Are they stupid? Hell no, but they tried and failed before and now maybe its Sony's time to try and fail too. Doesn't mean they are stupid, its just the way the cookie crumbles. You win some, you lose some.
            Originally posted by Feba
            But I mean I do not mind a good looking man so long as I do not have to view his penis.
            Originally posted by Taskmage
            God I hate my periods. You think passing a clot through a vagina is bad? Try it with a penis.
            Originally posted by DakAttack
            ...I'm shitting dicks out of my eyeballs in excitement for the next bestgreating game of all time ever.

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            • #36
              Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

              Originally posted by TheGrandMom View Post
              And why should you dictate what the world needs? I personally love my BluRay movies. Its the only reason I even bought my PS3 because lord knows the library wasn't the reason. lol The funny thing is, you sound like you're saying that HDTV's aren't selling and people are buying SDTV's to save money. Seems like the HDTV market is strong and showing that people do like a better visual quality. Are BluRay movies selling? Why yes they are. Are DVD's on the way out? No they aren't. Its kind of like the PS2, they'll hang in there for a good while but eventually there will be less and less. It seems that people are adapting to a better visual quality, especially when it comes to gaming. What do you constantly hear about a game? Whether it looks good or not.
              I wasn't aware I was dictating anything, but rather, pointing out what most people have found more practical.

              Even if we take Netflix out of the picture and revert to physical media, oh lookie - Redbox. They mostly deal in DVDs, the previous format. People will rent them, take them home, stick them in their Blu Ray or DVD players and watch them. All it took was some guy to figure out that grocery stores would be the perfect spot to place these things and it just took off.

              My sister and her boyfriend have a nice big HDTV, they watch Netflix from a Nintendo Wii or DVDs on it. Some people would be aghast at that, seems they really just don't care. And being photographers, they're both rather visually fixated otherwise. They edit on the most recent Macs.

              Whether its Netflix or Redbox, most people seem happy to take the hit in visual quality, it really doesn't matter what kind of TV they have. Blu Ray didn't bring a big enough leap for people to care about what it does. As of now, I have no motive to own a Blu Ray disc.

              As for graphics to games, once gamers learn the difference between art direction and graphics, we can start having a real discussion about graphics. Problem is a lot of gamers thing art direction and graphics are the same exact thing.

              As for graphics in games, I still do the airwank whenever anyone starts gushing. Graphics do not make the game, or do I need to point out Final Fantasy XIII?

              What huge leap foward in presentation would Persona 5 get from an HDTV? Atlus doesn't really focus on pushing hardware. I'd say we'd see high res PS2 character models with better and better 2D still and probably a few more useless anime cutscenes. As I play through Persona 3 Portable, I have to grudgingly admit the "visual novel" style gets the job done pefectly fine.

              All I'd get out of a PS3 is characters pantomiming in cutscenes next to a 2D overlay of themselves. hate to say it, but most of this franchise still works at a Saturn level of presentation. And I'm not saying that to rip on it, I'm just pointing out that there's very little evolution going on here and most people seem OK with that because of the quality of the story and gameplay transcend other elements of P3's presentation.

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              • #37
                Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

                Originally posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten View Post
                I wasn't aware I was dictating anything, but rather, pointing out what most people have found more practical.

                Even if we take Netflix out of the picture and revert to physical media, oh lookie - Redbox. They mostly deal in DVDs, the previous format. People will rent them, take them home, stick them in their Blu Ray or DVD players and watch them. All it took was some guy to figure out that grocery stores would be the perfect spot to place these things and it just took off.

                My sister and her boyfriend have a nice big HDTV, they watch Netflix from a Nintendo Wii or DVDs on it. Some people would be aghast at that, seems they really just don't care. And being photographers, they're both rather visually fixated otherwise. They edit on the most recent Macs.

                Whether its Netflix or Redbox, most people seem happy to take the hit in visual quality, it really doesn't matter what kind of TV they have. Blu Ray didn't bring a big enough leap for people to care about what it does. As of now, I have no motive to own a Blu Ray disc.
                But if Blu Ray movies weren't selling then why are they on the shelves? And why is the library so huge and still expanding? It seems you are insinuating people don't want HDTV or BluRay but clearly they are both selling, and quite well.

                Is Netflix dominating? Yes it is, but it also has a $3.00 a month BluRay option. I signed up for the option but called them a while back because I was getting mostly DVD's. The rep says that the demand for BluRay movies is so high that they are having a hard time supplying everyone that wants them. Of course the streaming option does offer HD picks you know, but they are few and far between when it comes to movies. You are more likely to find HD tv shows than movies at this point in time. They are slowly expanding as they update the streaming option. Personally, I use the streaming for older movies that I like but don't like enough to buy on DVD, so HD streaming isn't too much of a draw for me yet.

                Originally posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten View Post
                As for graphics to games, once gamers learn the difference between art direction and graphics, we can start having a real discussion about graphics. Problem is a lot of gamers thing art direction and graphics are the same exact thing.

                As for graphics in games, I still do the airwank whenever anyone starts gushing. Graphics do not make the game, or do I need to point out Final Fantasy XIII?
                I never said that I gush over graphics but quite a few people do. One of the ways I judge a good reviewer is by seeing if one of the first things they gush about is graphics. If they do, I don't even bother reading the rest. But it doesn't negate the point, lots of other people do care about them...and an awful lot. Industry knows this and it drives the console and tv market. Yes, right now there is a recession, I've been through several, and people will bounce back. If HDTVs and consoles are doing as well as they are now, things will only get better once its over. I think its the only way that the 3D market will work is if this recession ends. I still have my doubts though.

                Originally posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten View Post
                What huge leap foward in presentation would Persona 5 get from an HDTV? Atlus doesn't really focus on pushing hardware. I'd say we'd see high res PS2 character models with better and better 2D still and probably a few more useless anime cutscenes. As I play through Persona 3 Portable, I have to grudgingly admit the "visual novel" style gets the job done pefectly fine.
                That discussion is with J9. I could care less what system the next Persona is released on. Well, I would prefer the PS3 but only because I really like gaming on my LR tv.
                Originally posted by Feba
                But I mean I do not mind a good looking man so long as I do not have to view his penis.
                Originally posted by Taskmage
                God I hate my periods. You think passing a clot through a vagina is bad? Try it with a penis.
                Originally posted by DakAttack
                ...I'm shitting dicks out of my eyeballs in excitement for the next bestgreating game of all time ever.

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                • #38
                  Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

                  oh wow, ya I guess Japan has its challenges, but now it makes sense about room and stuff, thanks!

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                  • #39
                    Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

                    Originally posted by jenova_9 View Post
                    oh wow, ya I guess Japan has its challenges, but now it makes sense about room and stuff, thanks!
                    Oh god, it can learn.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

                      But if Blu Ray movies weren't selling then why are they on the shelves? And why is the library so huge and still expanding? It seems you are insinuating people don't want HDTV or BluRay but clearly they are both selling, and quite well.
                      If my local Best Buy is any indication, while new Blu Ray discs continue to be released, they're stocking fewer and fewer of each. They recently removed two full aisles of Blu Ray and the DVD, then again, it is Best Buy and they're never as competitive as Wal-Mart is on pricing movies regardless of format, but I have to also think that Redbox and Netflix play heavily into it as well.

                      The DVD section also used to be huge, but its roughly the same size as the Blu Ray section is now..

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                      • #41
                        Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

                        Considering where Feba is going in the near future, I don't see PS3 being a good investment for him. Space is kind of at a premium in Japan and most people don't have consoles because they don't want to stick around their small living space.
                        Right, I am quite sure the fact that the PS1,PS2,PS3 all sold/sell better in japan than north america is not a valid point that completely counters this statement, of course then there is the fact that NES,SNES,N64,GC,Wii also sold/sell better in Japan than north america but I suppose that is also invalid.

                        For the same cost as just having a functioning PS3 with zero games.
                        Still don't get how you think it doesn't function. PS3 works fine on pretty well any TV hell I have hooked it to an old old cable type connector (uhf or w/e) and it has still displayed. Is it as sexy as it can be no, but it still displays. Maybe you don't know how to set it properly? Ill give you a hint, broadcastng in HD will not display on a compostie connection, this is why PS3 has a wonderful built in system settings software that will display on any TV, you hold the power for 5 seconds and bang you can reset to any connection you want. Which means you can take it to your friend who has the HD TV and play with slightly better graphics, and then take it home and set it to composite and play with slightly worse graphics.

                        I have never had a problem with my display, I have used it on noncomposite SD connections, Composite SD connections and HD connections, interchangeably. Hell I have even even used it on a DVI connection on my computer monitor, so don't tell me it doesn't function on any TV.

                        You are just nitpicking about your current situation. It will not cost you thousands of dollars and you do not need and special shit to make it function. Quit sucking on BBQ's dirty fanboy dick for once.
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                        • #42
                          Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

                          Originally posted by MrMageo View Post
                          Still don't get how you think it doesn't function.
                          Because for a PS3 to run, you need at a bare minimum a TV. In order to get a decent TV and decent stereo (not top of the line! Just decent) is still hundreds of dollars on top of the console. Hundreds of dollars you don't spend on a handheld.

                          Originally posted by MrMageo View Post
                          You are just nitpicking about your current situation.
                          No, I'm just explaining a simple fact to anyone capable of reading.

                          A completed console unit costs more than a completed handheld, and this is one of many reasons that handhelds have a much greater ability to penetrate the market, as has been shown by the DS, and the Game Boy before it.

                          It's not that hard to understand.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

                            A decent TV and stereo costs about 400 bucks, so 600 total if you need to buy a ps3. God where d you shop.... Hell I culd go get a brand new 63" 1080P HD TV from the entertainment section at my super market for 399$. It is a shitty Sanyo, but I can do it. I could go for te smaller 36" version for 199$. I can go get a shitty 5.1 HD Audio system for 150$ from the same place. Stop spreading bullshit stories about how much shit costs. Or stop going to over priced stores like best buy to pay twice as much.

                            Still more than a hand held, sure. But can your handheld play CD's,Downloaded Songs, Movies, DVD's, Bray,Games, Browse Web, watch Web movies, hold Conversations internationally for free. I have a DS I also have a PSP, I use them from time to time. I use my DS for games, and my PSP for mobile movies,songs,internet, my PS3 does it all when I am home, hell, I am using it right now to browse the web.

                            I didn't argue your "unstated" fact that a hand held is cheaper, You claimed PS3 would cost you thousands to enjoy, andI said you are retarded if you think it costs, thousands, I stand by that statement if you spend thousands to get initial (ie. minimal games) enjoyment out of it, then you sir are and idiot.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

                              Right, I am quite sure the fact that the PS1,PS2,PS3 all sold/sell better in japan than north america is not a valid point that completely counters this statement, of course then there is the fact that NES,SNES,N64,GC,Wii also sold/sell better in Japan than north america but I suppose that is also invalid.
                              First off, these are all questionable "facts" in that you just made them up on-the-spot. It has been well-documented that the console market has been in decline in Japan since the PS2 days and has never returned to form.

                              Sony created the PSP as a response to that decline of console sales in their own market, in addition to the iPod becoming a worldwide success. So Sony was faced with Walkman and Playstation's following eroding on its own turf. It is fair to say they never jumped into the market to compete with Nintendo, though the runaway success of Game Boy, Game Boy Advance and inevitable success of DS were good indicators just how much benefit they could reap from going handheld.

                              But can your handheld play CD's,Downloaded Songs, Movies, DVD's, Bray,Games, Browse Web, watch Web movies, hold Conversations internationally for free
                              - CDs are pointless in the face of DSi and PSP, they can play audio files.
                              - PSP does play movies, Netflix was recently entertaining the idea of streaming moves to DS. 3DS was demoing 3D movies at E3.
                              - DVDs and Blu Ray, like CDs, are pointless to handhelds. The idea is to keep it portable.
                              - PSP and DSi have web browsers.
                              - DSiWare has Flipnote Studio, the hand-drawn answer to YouTube and some of that stuff turns out rather impressive at times. Neither system's browser is made for Shockwave, Adobe or any form of flash, though if you wanted to, PSP could probably be homebrewed into it... but you'd require Wi-Fi access since 3G for such functions is kind of a sick joke anyway. Anything less than 4G feels downright primitive.
                              - PSP has Skype, so yes, it can do international conversations for free, provided you have the Wi-Fi connection to make it viable. DSi has online voice chat for certain games, but not that many of them. Most of us don't walk around doing international calls for free, though, our phone companies won't let us.

                              Will 3DS and PSP2 build on these functions? I'm pretty confident they will.
                              Last edited by Omgwtfbbqkitten; 07-19-2010, 11:05 AM.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

                                Originally posted by MrMageo View Post
                                so 600 total if you need to buy a ps3.
                                Three times the cost of a handheld.

                                Originally posted by MrMageo View Post
                                Stop spreading bullshit stories about how much shit costs.
                                1- Notice how you had to footnote your assertions as being shitty products. Are you saying that consoles are shitty products that should be plugged into shitty products? No, you're just making a weak argument.
                                2- Even if your $600 cost is accurate, let's compare that with an expensive handheld. Let's say the 3DS launches at $300 (doubt it), and the games are $50 (doubt it). That's still a system and six games for the price of getting a shitty console set up.

                                If you don't like that handhelds are more accessible than consoles, try arguing for last-gen consoles. Those prices work out to be about the same. But just going "IT'S NOT THAT EXPENSIVE REALLY IT ISN'T" doesn't change the fact that yes, a console costs more than a handheld to get a full setup.

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