Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

[jenova_9]

Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

Also, you MUST have an HDTV to play PS3 games. Not an option there are only HDMI outputs. You MUST have an HDTV. 360 and Wii do not require this of you.
All the piracy in the world hasn't stopped Atlus PSP and DS games from turning a profit.

it has stopped them from making a bigger profit.

Also you don't seem to have owned a PS3 before, I have a PS3 and the a/v cables that comes with it works perfectly fine on a SDTV and I've had it for over a year now. Some games like Ninja Gaiden and Super Street Fighter IV are displayed in 4:3 fullscreen too.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

it has stopped them from making a bigger profit.

You're assuming piracy isn't rampant on PC and consoles.

It totally is. Hell, pirates are so pathetic they steal 99 cent iPhone games.

Are there any other logical fallacies you'd like to make in favor of seeing your favorite RPGs on a console just because that's what you want?

If anything, with less money spent, losses will be lower as well. What happens when you make a big HD RPG that no one buys and just pirates? You lose a lot more money than you would have if you had made it a handheld game.

Over five million people bought Dragon Quest IX, its the highest selling entry in the series and the biggest seller on DS in Japan ever, similar success came to Meonster Hunter Freedom Unite. Over one million bought Scribblenauts. Seems like there are still honorable people left in the gaming community that want to see companies make money.

[Ufgt]

Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

Also, you MUST have an HDTV to play PS3 games. Not an option there are only HDMI outputs. You MUST have an HDTV. 360 and Wii do not require this of you.

No, that's incorrect.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

No, that's incorrect.

Which part?

PS3 does lack consistency on 1080p output, its even picky about which model HDTVs you use. It does require the use of certain televisons. Even if it does run on SDTVs, its not something they make a point of marketing well.

I mean, its all HD this and Blu Ray that. First it was backward compatible and then they realized they could just repackage old games and sell them again in HD. The failure to establish and communicate a standard hasn't been working in their favor, now they expect to "lead the way with 3D."

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

PS3 does lack consistency on 1080p output,

Do mean it lacks support for 1080p from developers? If so, it's hardly Sonys fault.

...its even picky about which model HDTVs you use.

Oh do you mean that issue from 2006 when people complained about issues with older CRTs and HDTVs that weren't in production any more?

Even if it does run on SDTVs, its not something they make a point of marketing well.

Seriously? They should market the system, that is specifically targeted at the HDTV audience, towards SDTVs?? I can guarantee that if they had, you'd probably be saying how stupid they were for doing that too. Besides, people with SDTVs will be enjoying their Wiis, and the last time I looked, people were pretty darn happy with that.

I mean, its all HD this and Blu Ray that.

Welcome to the 21st century, Grandpa Kitten! lol

First it was backward compatible and then they realized they could just repackage old games and sell them again in HD.

Yep, from a gamers point of view, that was a pisser. But from a business point of view, it was brilliant! I bet the sake was flowing the night that was presented in the boardroom!

The failure to establish and communicate a standard hasn't been working in their favor, now they expect to "lead the way with 3D."

Someones got to do it for the console market! Doesn't mean it's going to work or be a hit but we have to start somewhere to eventually get where we are going.

[Feba]

Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

To be fair, Feba, 360 was made to be compatible with an SD TV.

I've played PS3 on the same TV I play my Wii on. It has composite inputs, it won't take an actual HD signal, it has an HD logo on it, I have no idea what the fuck is its issue. I don't particularly care anymore.

As has been pointed out, it's not that the PS3 has a problem with SD, it's that I have a problem with playing a game that's meant to look one way in another way. My TV's a little fucked up, my stereo's a little fucked up. It doesn't impact my enjoyment of PS1 and PS2 games, Wii, or of course portables. But if I want the best out of a PS3, I'd need thousands of dollars. Now honestly, if Sony would just give them fucking BC already I'd probably buy one anyway, but without that critical feature, all of the other downsides pile up.

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Oh, and I'd probably not have a problem with rebuying games if A- The games I wanted to rebuy were cheap and available and B- They were actually updated to PS3 specs, or had some other kind of worthwhile feature.

Problem is, very few PS2 games are available on PS3.

[MrMageo]

Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

As if you need thousands of dollars to get a worthy system to play ps3 on, stop playing the woe is me card. You can get decent size (over 40") HDTV's for under 500 bucks (and not cheesy shit like snayo, or rca) an you can get very nice stero's for around 200 bucks. Its 2010 for christ sakes, hell you could probbly get all of the above for under 500 bucks on kijiji, hell I have a 46" sony sitting in my garage right now that displays at 1080P ill sell it to you for 200 bucks but you have to come get it.

If you can't play ps3 on a SD TV that is your TV's issue, hell I played it on a SDTV for a year before I got my sony (the one you can buy if you want to get it). The graphic textures are not really much different. HD is not OMG wtf awesome, I don't care how much you spin it. If a slightly smoother edge gives you a massive hard on then I think you need to prioritize some other things in your life.

As for backwards compatability, It sucks it is no loner there. I was quite pissed. But I still have my ps2 from 1999 that works like new, so I really could care less.

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Which part?

PS3 does lack consistency on 1080p output, its even picky about which model HDTVs you use. It does require the use of certain televisons. Even if it does run on SDTVs, its not something they make a point of marketing well.

I mean, its all HD this and Blu Ray that. First it was backward compatible and then they realized they could just repackage old games and sell them again in HD. The failure to establish and communicate a standard hasn't been working in their favor, now they expect to "lead the way with 3D."

LOL i missed this wonderful gem, you sir are and idiot. PS3 work perfectly fine on Standard TV's, it supports old style composite as well as Svideo, you need to stop reading so many anti sony fanboy sites i think.

[Feba]

Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

As if you need thousands of dollars to get a worthy system to play ps3 on, stop playing the woe is me card.

Perhaps you weren't actually reading the discussion, but the point isn't "PS3 is too expensive!", it's "Dude, it's cheaper to get a complete portable system than a console".

[MrMageo]

Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

But if I want the best out of a PS3, I'd need thousands of dollars.

Yes I can see how stating you need thousands of dollars to get the best out of a PS3 is the same as....

but the point isn't "PS3 is too expensive!", it's "Dude, it's cheaper to get a complete portable system than a console".

And you still don't need thousands of dollars. You can get a good TV and Stereo for less than the cost of a good laptop. Quit crying about it and go out and get a good TV and Stereo.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

Someones got to do it for the console market! Doesn't mean it's going to work or be a hit but we have to start somewhere to eventually get where we are going.

Did the world really need Blu Ray, though? With Hulu and Netflix out there, the format is a fucking joke now. Should we spend money on physical media or a subscription fee at take a small hit in visual quality? Seems people do what they always do to save money. They take the hit in visual quality.

Hell, Nintendo proved that or years with the handhelds. Sony should have gotten behind streaming movies from the start, but naturally Sony's unwillingness to change for the sake of the internet has been an ongoing thing for over a decade now.

The same thing would have happened to HD-DVD. They fought The Battle of Who Could Care Less.

PS3 could have just had its own proprietary game media and have been done with it. It could have still been HD, too.

3D was poorly thought out from the moment then entire TV market started hyping it. They didn't do the proper market research, didn't look at health issues and totally ignored we're in a recession and no one is going to rush out and buy it any time soon even if the other shoe doesn't drop.

But they're just all "Derp Derp Derp, Avatar was cool people will buy this now."

No, they won't. People are still just now getting HDTVs.

And with that, let's get back to this being Atlus or Namco related. As Feba said, handhelds are preferable because they have unified standards, somethint consoles do not. Atlus tends to do whatever's cheapest for them at the moment, they will not go all Square-Enix on Persona 5 and put it on PS3 for the sake of being the height of HD sophistication.

Its not farfetched that they could put this on a handheld.

[Feba]

Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

You can get a good TV and Stereo for less than the cost of a good laptop.

I have a good laptop. I got it a year ago for under $400.

And I'm not interested in spending even hundreds of dollars on a console right now. Even if the overall cost of a PS3 is $1000 when I include the rest of the entertainment setup, that's still nothing compared to what I could do with that $1000 on other things. $1000 on a 3DS is probably going to get me a console, accessories, and dozens of games. Hell, if the 3DS is $300 and the games are $50 (incredibly high for a Nintendo handheld), that would be 14 games right there. For the same cost as just having a functioning PS3 with zero games.

[jenova_9]

Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

those 14 games wouldn't be as fun as games PS3 has.

[Feba]

Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

those 14 games wouldn't be as fun as games PS3 has.

Right, because I need to play on a Jenova-approved console to have fun.

Let's see, what's 3DS going to have.

MGS3
Unknown FF Title
KH3D
Kid Icarus
Dynasty Warriors (shit-game I know, but it's a fun way to kill time)
de Blob
Resident Evil
ShinMegaTen
ShinMegaTen: Devil Survivor
ShinMegaTen: Persona
Sonic 3DS (expecting the worst, naturally)
Gundam somethingorother
Splinter Cell

I mean hell, it even stole away a playstation game already. It has Ridge Racer.



Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidge Raaaaaaacer!




and these are just the games that I am interested in. There's already a lot of educational software out there on DS that would be useful to me; 3DS is backwards compatible.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

those 14 games wouldn't be as fun as games PS3 has.

Considering where Feba is going in the near future, I don't see PS3 being a good investment for him. Space is kind of at a premium in Japan and most people don't have consoles because they don't want to stick around their small living space.

Now take someone from the west that's used to a larger living space and put him in a smaller one. Guess what happens? He'll want to go outside even faster. College proved this well enough for me, as dorm accommodations were about the size of a prison cell and two people had to share it

Also, this level of quality that you assume console game have but handhelds don't - big logical fallacy. Handheld games can actually be rather impressive. If you've been playing DS and PSP lately, they're not exactly short on content and quality.

[Feba]

Re: Three new Atlus trademarks; Namco confirms God Eater Burst for 2011 in the west

Space is kind of at a premium in Japan and most people don't have consoles because they don't want to stick around their small living space.

I think this is kinda right and kinda wrong.

It's not like your PS3 is going to take up that much more space than your TV is already. If you're looking for something to do at home, there's nothing wrong with it. People definitely don't like to stick around small living places as much, though; hell, I live in a 3000+ square foot house right now, and I can only stand to stay in the same room for more than a few hours if I'm doing some intensive task.

You have a point in that too though; even if I wanted a console, it wouldn't make sense to buy one right now. It would be stupid to fly a PS3 transpacific, and I probably would have no ability to set one up (I had actually completely spaced this off; I hadn't even thought about buying a PS3, so it never occurred to me. I have wanted to take my PS2 for DDR, but that has silly obvious problems in Japan). If I have a TV, I'd be amazed if it's over 20". And there's a very good chance I won't have stable living conditions after that, so a portable suits me more in that way too. It could very easily be 2012 before I'd have more than a few weeks to play on my PS3 were I to buy one.

But that's a matter of life circumstances that don't apply to most people. There are a lot of people who don't have room for a console in their lives; but there are also a lot of people who don't have a lot of free time while they're out and about for portables. If you drive everywhere, a portable doesn't do you a ton of good. Chances are you drive to where you're going, do what needs to be done there, and the most time you ever have is waiting in line. Good for short tasks; not even enough time to get into most games, even portable ones. This isn't the case for most people in Japan, Tokyo especially. Public transportation is the norm, and a commute of well over an hour isn't that uncommon. For millions of people, there would be mind numbing boredom over 10 hours a week were it not for portable entertainment; radio and books being the classics, games being more modern.

EDIT: There is the fact though that Japan has paper thin insulation. This means that if you try to play your games at anything close to audible, you are an asshole. The only way to properly enjoy an HD, cinematic game would be with headphones. I don't know how many of you have worn headphones for long periods before, but it's how I do all my MGS runs. After a few hours, even the best pairs start to bug you. And wearing headphones all the time is just plain annoying. They have very good uses, but a comfortable full time sound system they are not. For all the production values PS3 games can have, lots of people in Japan are going to have tinny audio and video simply because they don't have the ability to have larger TVs and louder hifis in their homes.