Playstation Plus

[MrMageo]

Re: Playstation Plus

No its fan boy because anytime someone posts something involving sony BBQ gets a big chest and starts thumping it. I have had all the systems, and in fact took my XBOX in and traded it for a PS3, on the sole principle of being required to pay to enjoy the few games I liked online after already paying 60-70$ for said games.

Now I am sure at some point PSN will be 100% pay to play, just like XBL, and TBH I do not really care to much, a lot of the online games for either system are pretty lackluster and filled with 13 year old kids. But atm I get to enjoy lackluster for free, and when/if I do have to start paying to play, I will no longer play online.

I find it absurd that you are required to pay a premium to play games over the internet after buying the game, and the console, that pays for the upkeep of games you do not wish to play or do not own. It would be like SE charging 30$ a month to play FF14 online because they want to keep the FFXI servers open to people who want to play there, while at the same time increasing the cost of XI to help pay for the increase to server pops on 14.

It is a stupid way of doing business, and has been complained about since its creation. If Companies need extra revenue to support servers, than charge on a per game basis. As I said in my previous post, Ill pay for a game that I want to play, but I will not pay for a game that I do not own or do not wish to play. MS has been fleecing that way for a long time.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Playstation Plus

I don't own a 360 and don't ever plan to own one, MrMageo - i"m just stating the facts behind the Live service.

I have major issues with how MS has allowed developers to run out-of-control with how paid, premium DLC is released. And because MS allowed that, I honestly feel this generation's games have seen a major downgrade in both quality and value. Because MS didn't enforce a standard and put their foot down on how this stuff got approved, it made things that much harder for Sony to enforce a standard as well.

Now companies like EA can circumvent their services and withhold content from consumers if they don't buy games the way EA wants them to. Isn't fucking the consumer over just awesome?

Only other console I plan to get this generation is a PS3, but I sure as hell don't see any good incentives to sign up for Playstation Plus.

[Kailea]

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No its fan boy because anytime someone posts something involving sony BBQ gets a big chest and starts thumping it. I have had all the systems, and in fact took my XBOX in and traded it for a PS3, on the sole principle of being required to pay to enjoy the few games I liked online after already paying 60-70$ for said games.

Now I am sure at some point PSN will be 100% pay to play, just like XBL, and TBH I do not really care to much, a lot of the online games for either system are pretty lackluster and filled with 13 year old kids. But atm I get to enjoy lackluster for free, and when/if I do have to start paying to play, I will no longer play online.

I find it absurd that you are required to pay a premium to play games over the internet after buying the game, and the console, that pays for the upkeep of games you do not wish to play or do not own. It would be like SE charging 30$ a month to play FF14 online because they want to keep the FFXI servers open to people who want to play there, while at the same time increasing the cost of XI to help pay for the increase to server pops on 14.

It is a stupid way of doing business, and has been complained about since its creation. If Companies need extra revenue to support servers, than charge on a per game basis. As I said in my previous post, Ill pay for a game that I want to play, but I will not pay for a game that I do not own or do not wish to play. MS has been fleecing that way for a long time.

your really going to complain about $49.99 a year? thats less then $5 a month -.-

you could say the same for PSN+, but really, PSN+ offers nothing, that is even worth $5 a month

[Ziero]

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Hell, Konami actually does have a pay model for Metal Gear Online from MGS4, you gotta pay $5 to even have an account. That's because its prior incarnation from MGO on PS2 was not sustainable or worth keeping up. Even with that, I seriously doubt that PS3 users will be enjoying MGO long into the future. Its a big expense to maintain and foot the bill for these games, without any subscription revenue coming your way there is no reason to maintain it.

...are you sure about that? Because when I made my MGO account, it was completely, entirely, 100% free. Just like every other game I play online with PSN. I certainly wouldn't have bothered making one if it wasn't. They do have a system for people to buy clothes and stuff for their characters, but you don't need to use them or pay one cent to play the game at all. Hell I only made the damn thing to sate my urge for an MP shooting game between the time the MAG beta ended and the actual game came out so if I had to pay for it I wouldn't have even bothered.

But with games like LBP, Modnation Racers, Demon's Souls, MAG, WKC and so forth and so on, games more or less built around the concept of free access online play, I don't see PSN ever charging pay to play nor do I see innovative games like them stopping their online services any time in the near future (hell, three of em are planned to get sequels in the near future). People have been claiming "Sony will charge for online play soon, just you watch!" since the PS3 and PSN came out. But it hasn't happened and it most likely won't.

I'd like to stress the part about exploits. I appreciate that they investigate these things and I'm fine paying the yearly fee knowing some of it's going towards this service. There's nothing like this on PSN, so it's basically lawless game-play. I know a lot of people doubt and claim that you can't hack, cheat, or exploit on the PS3, but nobody can offer any proof one way or the other because Sony has no service available to handle the issue. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

I don't know what's so "lawless" about playing games on PSN since by PS3's very nature it gives less access to cheats and hacks to begin with. The worst I ever heard as far as PS3 cheats were lag switching, which has nothing to do with the system itself. If it was actually a problem on PSN, lacking an overall modding system would be a bad thing, but since it's not it's really not that big of an issue. XBL *needs* a system in place like that to keep it's MP games free from exploits, but it's not as big of an issue for Sony because there's so little/no actual exploits in PSN games.

how is that being a fanboy? its the truth, and its one of the main reasons why XBL has a price on it.

I don't like paying to play my Xbox online, but I will admit doing so does provide a much better online experience.

Except it's not the truth and PSN and XBL provide very similar gameplay experiences. Right now the only actual difference between the two is one has the party chat thing and the other doesn't. There's plenty of games that receive updates, DLC and fixes at the same time on both systems. The monthly fee from XBL isn't why sometimes games get things first for Xbox, the fact that MS pays for exclusiveness to make it look better is why that happens. And it's something that would happen regardless of any monthly fee or not.

your really going to complain about $49.99 a year? thats less then $5 a month -.-

you could say the same for PSN+, but really, PSN+ offers nothing, that is even worth $5 a month

$49.99 a year vs nothing? Yea, I'd complain about paying 50 bucks just to access parts of games that are more or less the whole reason to buy games. Especially nowadays when many games are built specifically around the concept of being able to experience it with other people.

Also, PSN+ offers multiple free games every month. Burn Out HD for the first month alone is what, 15 bucks? There, PSN+ just covered 3 months of service in one free game. Not to mention whatever 2 minis and PSOne classic they also give you. There's also offerings of massive discounts to DLC content for other games, which is a godsend for fans of LBP/Modnation Racers because there's new stuff literally every week for those two games.

I'm iffy on the service myself, but if they offer the right games, I could easily see myself going for it. Probably won't though, unless they do bring back the cross game chat thing, which atm is currently in question as to whether or not it'll be on PSN+ or another free service.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Playstation Plus

Ziero, all those games you listed are Sony first party or games Sony Japan did in collaboration with another studio, making them technically first party as well. This includes WKC and Demon's Souls.

Why wasn't Demon's Souls published by Sony? Ask SCEA - they're the assholes that made SCEJ and From Software go through Atlus to get it here in the States. SCEA believed it wouldn't succeed here and when Atlus got about 7 million in revenue from publishing it, SCEA was humiliated by that. Turns out us western folk like hardcore niche RPGs a little more than SCEA believes.

Anyway, OF COURSE Sony wouldn't drop support for the games you listed - they're Sony's games. If they're not good enough to stay online, then how are they going to get any third parties on-board? All the same, they're making third parties foot the bill on server support, don't expect those games you were playing a few years ago to be there forever.

[Kailea]

Re: Playstation Plus

don't expect those games you were playing a few years ago to be there forever.

..... I miss Resident Evil Outbreak 1/2

[Malacite]

Re: Playstation Plus

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Don't you go bringing Samuel into this.


Anyway I do honestly like PS Plus, though I agree they need to knock off at least another $10 off the price, or add some more worth while features. The discounts are kinda nice though, and if/when they introduce PS2 games on the store might make signing up worth it.


It's better than XBL Gold because at least Sony doesn't force you to pay if you want to play online, get demos, etc etc. They're just charging you for extra shit you probably don't need/want anyway; MS charges you for the essentials, and for $10 more too.

[DakAttack]

Re: Playstation Plus

I don't know what's so "lawless" about playing games on PSN since by PS3's very nature it gives less access to cheats and hacks to begin with. The worst I ever heard as far as PS3 cheats were lag switching, which has nothing to do with the system itself. If it was actually a problem on PSN, lacking an overall modding system would be a bad thing, but since it's not it's really not that big of an issue. XBL *needs* a system in place like that to keep it's MP games free from exploits, but it's not as big of an issue for Sony because there's so little/no actual exploits in PSN games.

So you're telling me it's harder, but have no proof, thus proving my point.

[Ziero]

Re: Playstation Plus

Ziero, all those games you listed are Sony first party or games Sony Japan did in collaboration with another studio, making them technically first party as well. This includes WKC and Demon's Souls.

Why wasn't Demon's Souls published by Sony? Ask SCEA - they're the assholes that made SCEJ and From Software go through Atlus to get it here in the States. SCEA believed it wouldn't succeed here and when Atlus got about 7 million in revenue from publishing it, SCEA was humiliated by that. Turns out us western folk like hardcore niche RPGs a little more than SCEA believes.

Anyway, OF COURSE Sony wouldn't drop support for the games you listed - they're Sony's games. If they're not good enough to stay online, then how are they going to get any third parties on-board? All the same, they're making third parties foot the bill on server support, don't expect those games you were playing a few years ago to be there forever.

Hi, by "Support" I mean FREE ONLINE PLAY. Guess you didn't catch that. The very fact that these are Sony first party titles/collaborations and that they specifically and in many cases uniquely focus their entire gameplay around online experiences shows that Sony wants to use it's online capabilities to it's fullest. However to get the maximum effect out of online play they need to keep PSN free to play.

And no game stays online forever, not even XBL games. But for the next, oh I dunno, 10 years or so most of these online capable games will still be going strong, if not in their current incarnations then most certainly in their sequels.

Not to mention all the MMOs slated to be released on the PS3.

So you're telling me it's harder, but have no proof, thus proving my point.

My proof is I can play any online game on PSN and never come across a game breaking exploit any worse then either in game glitches or lag switching. Yet with XBL you can surely find people using god-mods or cheats codes, happens all the time.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Playstation Plus

The Fanboy Manifesto is strong in this thread.

I have an XB360. I have a PS3. I have XBL Gold. I will buy PSN Plus. I love downloading digital content. I subscribe to Qore. I have Netflix. I use Voice chat to talk to my friends. PSN Plus and the PSPgo are products aimed at a consumer like me. Physical media is nice and all, but with a fast internet connection, I have almost no need to go to a store to actually get stuff. If there is a game I want that isn't on XBL or PSN, Amazon has my needs covered.

The benefit of XBL is that it's easy to join in with your friends. If you load up an XBL game that ppl in your XBL Party are playing, it's relatively simple to join in. They really highlight the whole "Jump In" aspect, which - as a gamer who primarily played on PSN - I actually appreciate.

Sony is providing something completely different from XBL. If you don't talk to ppl on PSN, this isn't going to make you jump ship and decide to do so anyway.

Even on XBL Silver you can't do Party Chat. In that sense, Sony is doing the same exact thing Microsoft is doing. On XBL Silver, you can't do Multiplayer gaming, something that's been free on PSN for years.

And DLC? Please, it's not hard to release on the PSN, it's just that XBL has exclusivity for content to encourage people to get the XB version of the game and continue to pay for XBL.

When you pay for XBL, you pay for the ease of chatting with people on your Friends List, TIMED EXCLUSIVE DLC, and a no-brainer online experience.

When you pay for PSN Plus, you can now Voice Chat with friends, the monthly Qore subscription, discounts on PSN content. IF you don't care about any of that stuff (ie, you don't play multiplayer on PSN), then PSN Plus is not for you. So stop bitching. Please.

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There was a funny post just the other day on CTRL-ALT-DEL(Comic posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 Ctrl+Alt+Del - Ctrl+Alt+Del - Selective argument (2010-06-28)) to the effect of people "bitching about paying for something they already payed for", and the joke was that the guy called people who do that some sort of derogatory term, yet he was paying to put gas in his car.

The point is, nothing is truly free. You buy a house/apartment, but pay for utilities. You buy a vehicle but pay for insurance, maintenance and the unexpected. The point is, someone who really doesn't want to pay for anything outside of buying a console and playing the games doesn't have to, but this is 2010.

Get a job and get over it.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Playstation Plus

The Fanboy Manifesto is strong in this thread.

Ya, its one of the reasons I won't comment. I can see the +'s and -'s of each and enjoy them for what they are. Will I prefer one over the other? Probably, but that remains to be seen since + isn't even available yet. (Or maybe it is but I haven't checked recently.) Will I pay for both? Thats a good question and I'll know that once I've had + for a year. I'll give them that $50 for the first year but they better impress me.

Also, I don't know why people (in the US, I can't vouch for other countries) that have access to the internet in this day and age are paying full friggin price for Live. Seriously? Occasionally I even post here when I find a sale on it and recently posted it for $35 I believe. I NEVER pay full price! $35-$40 at most and if Sony releases cards like MS did, then you'll probably be able to do the same damn thing.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Playstation Plus

I can see the +'s and -'s of each and enjoy them for what they are. Will I prefer one over the other? Probably, but that remains to be seen since + isn't even available yet. (Or maybe it is but I haven't checked recently.)

It releases tomorrow!!!!! GET HYPED!!!! >.<

Will I pay for both? Thats a good question and I'll know that once I've had + for a year. I'll give them that $50 for the first year but they better impress me.

Correction, if you pay now, you get it for 15 months, lol.

Also, I don't know why people (in the US, I can't vouch for other countries) that have access to the internet in this day and age are paying full friggin price for Live. Seriously?

What do you mean by this? When I first got LIVE, I initially saw the benefit of it, but unless you're playing primarily on XBL and such, it's a waste of money. Yeah, I payed for it and I have the service, but between FFXI and... well, FFXI, I don't have time to play anything aside from Patapon 2, Monster Hunter United, LittleBigPlanet or ModNationRacers with my younger brother.

Honestly, the XB360 was a waste of my money; I only bought it cause my friends had it, but I hardly touch it >_>

$35-$40 at most and if Sony releases cards like MS did, then you'll probably be able to do the same damn thing.

What I like the most about PSN over XBL is that Sony charges you in actual numbers while Microsoft makes you buy points in certain denominations. Sure, 1600 points is $20, but what If I don't want to spend $20?

I know that if I want to buy a Mini ($2-$3, and will be included at two a month for PSN+), I only have to pay the small fee plus tax and be done with it. I only have to charge my PSN account what I intend to pay.

24 Minis a year are about $48. Qore is $25 a year. Burnout (as was already posted) is $15, and I think $30 with ALL the DLC.

I'll say this again, If you aren't really into the whole DLC model, then PSN+ isn't for you.

As someone who can easily spend $50+ dollars in one sitting on PSN for games and such, I'm really excited about PSN+. If the rest of you aren't, nothing wrong with that, just don't bitch about something that isn't tailored for you.

Not being able to afford something isn't a good reason to hate it.

[Ziero]

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What do you mean by this?

She means if you shop at certain places online, you can buy XBL cards that get you gold service cheaper then what's advertised.

i.e. instead of playing 50 bucks for a whole year, you buy a card for 30 bucks online and you get a year of XBL Gold from it. Just like how PSN+ is offering three free months if you sign up now.

Most places offer these kinds of discounts, hell my sister pays like half of what her cable bill should be because she knows how to finagle those kinds of discounts from her service provider.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Playstation Plus

She means if you shop at certain places online, you can buy XBL cards that get you gold service cheaper then what's advertised.

Oh, I see what you did there.

Well that makes sense, good point. I probably should have done that. At least I would have paid less for a service I don't use, but I would've spent the money anyway, so it's not biggie. I'll keep that in mind next Spring when my subscription is up.

[Malacite]

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PSN is still in bad need of an overhaul as XBL still has the superior UI, but that's a different topic.

Wish pretty much summed up everything I was going to say... Plus is exactly what the name implies - an extra level of service that you pay for.

I mean shit, you can't even download demos on XBL if you're a silver user. It wasn't that way at first, but they changed it some months back which is retarded. Silver is so crappy you're pretty much forced to pay for Gold if you want to do anything online. Oh but I guess that's ok because everyone loves Xbox so much.

In their defense, at least they've come out with a new Family Plan for $99 that covers up to 4 people.