Nintendo 3DS

[Aeni]

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You're real test would be the games that are Japan-only, which are very few and not on the market yet. Every argument against region lock until then is just hot air. Because again, not being region locked didn't do DS or PSP any favors

What evidence of this do you have? There are many titles for DS released in Japan that never got ported to the U.S. I can't vouch for PSP although it's not nearly anywhere as popular as the DS but not having any region lockout is one thing you don't think about and thus are not restricted when making software purchase decisions.

[Feba]

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Wii got cracked because of an exploit found in the Twilight Princess disc.

...the first time. You do realize how many other holes have been found in the Wii software, right? Hell, it used to be able to crack the system with nothing but a corrupt save file.

Sony igives them the means pretty directly since they allow for USB support and, as such thumb drives and memory sticks.

This is just silly. The ability to read/write to a device's memory and the ability to execute code are entirely separate. You do understand how computers work, right?

When you just straight import from Japan because you assume it to be "better" because its in Japanese or because you assume it will "never" come to America - all you're really doing is contributing to feedback that it may not need to come to America.

Or maybe we "import" because we fucking live there, or because we want to play the game in Japanese (not because it's better necessarily, but just because we want to play it that way). Yes, it's counted as a Japanese sale. The idea that most games would make it to America is silly. The idea that those that don't would be because of importers is silly-- companies aren't stupid. They see the feedback that importers give. We probably wouldn't have gotten Tatsunoko v. Capcom, for example, if not for importing. In a non-video game example, look at Haruhi.

Right now, what the hell is there to want that's Japan-only on 3DS?

Apart from the obvious answer of "Japanese Games", the thing just freaking came out. For the love of christ, is it even out stateside? Your idea that Japan-only games are few and far between is just plain wrong. Try going to a Japanese game store and walking down the aisle sometime. Take a look at the games on the DS; tell me seriously that most of them are out in the states. There's an entire genre of games that gets its own shelf at most stores here. In the US, I think there are maybe 7 or 8 games even on the market. This being educational games; as in, not Brain Age, puzzle games, or things aimed at kids, but actual educational materials. As far as I am aware, none of these have been released stateside.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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What evidence of this do you have? There are many titles for DS released in Japan that never got ported to the U.S. I can't vouch for PSP although it's not nearly anywhere as popular as the DS but not having any region lockout is one thing you don't think about and thus are not restricted when making software purchase decisions.

DS games don't have a region lock. None, so what does it matter if it comes to the US or not? If you want it, you just import it.

I posted the link to CVG from Jan 2011 - which apparently people who don't like evidence contrary to their assumptions disregard completely - where Nintendo said the final call on region lock was up to the developer. Until we have a Japan-only game that isn't coming to the US on 3DS, we cannot say for sure that region locking is 100%.

Europe will have their 3DSs on Friday. Pretty much the only Japanese launch title Japan has that we're not getting anytime soon is Professor Layton, but that might not be a good litmus test because they're going to bring that to the US anyway and would likely region lock it for that reason.

This is just silly. The ability to read/write to a device's memory and the ability to execute code are entirely separate. You do understand how computers work, right?

Right and direct access to system folders and the ability to tinker with the OS has nothing to do with how fast people were able to run custom firmware and, as such, pirate games.

Ever notice how DS and DSi don't have custom firmware and no one talks about running any on it. Japan has had the 3DS a month and there's no progress on custom firmware. Maybe that's because they can't plug a USB cable into it to see what makes it tick more easily.

R4 is a game software crack, not an OS crack.

Anyway, you're going to justify your shit no matter what other people say, particularly since there's some serious denial At least have the dignity to admit you're violating intellectual property rights when cracking an OS and, as such, the law to bypass a region lock.

Whatever reason you want to make up, nothing justifies stealing or compromising an IP. The creator of the IP has the right to protect their game, even if you perceive it as "bad for business."

So a handful of otakus won't buy the 3DS because they can't have their 3D waifu simulator. Big loss there. Seems there's plenty more people to sell a puppy simulator to that will replace you.

[Kailea]

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So a handful of otakus won't buy the 3DS because they can't have their 3D waifu simulator. Big loss there. Seems there's plenty more people to sell a puppy simulator to that will replace you.

Nintendogs+Cats looks cute and fun in a way ;p

but yeah I agree with BBQ, and yeah I know I admit that I use emulation and stuff, but at least I still respect the companies, I wait till something is out of print or not sold in stores anymore before I decide to emulate it. As soon as a hand held or a console's shelf life is over, its mine.......

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Nintendogs+Cats looks cute and fun in a way ;p

I'm not saying it isn't a fun little game. A pet simulator is at the very least a good test run to see if someone would be ready for the real thing... to an extent, anyway. There's still the house-training thing, but the routine of maintaining a pet and teaching it tricks is there.

Creating a bunch of submissive Japanese girls for a girlfriend simulator is just plain misogynistic and not even a good tutorial on how to treat women. Just imagine if Nintendo had made that instead of Konami, we'd never hear the end of that one.

[Kailea]

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Creating a bunch of submissive Japanese girls for a girlfriend simulator is just plain misogynistic and not even a good tutorial on how to treat women. Just imagine if Nintendo had made that instead of Konami, we'd never hear the end of that one.

oh I have to agree, I dont like those types of games, I might love anime and alot of things Japan....but that stuff? no -.-

There is one game still that looks interesting to me though, on a level of "what the hell? Only in Japan" is a rail shooter game for the 360 called GalGun

---Story---
Tenzou, the protagonist is a student who is accidentally shot by an apprentice angel Patoko, with a Cupid Arrow. The blessing from the arrow makes Tenzou irresistible to the opposite sex, transforming him into the most popular boy in school for one day.

The catch is if Tenzou is unable to find his true love before the effects of the Cupid Arrow wear off, he’ll be destined for a life of loneliness.




but yeah I am getting way off topic, my bad ;p 3DS is AWSOME!.... there that should do it ;p

[Etra]

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Creating a bunch of submissive Japanese girls for a girlfriend simulator is just plain misogynistic and not even a good tutorial on how to treat women.

If anyone thinks that video games offer any kind of tutorial for real life relationships, whether it be with friends, mates, and/or pets, they need a reality check.

[Armando]

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If anyone thinks that video games offer any kind of tutorial for real life relationships, whether it be with friends, mates, and/or pets, they need a reality check.

To be fair, the people that play these games obsessively are probably engaging in escapism and actually do prefer to believe in fake women.

[Kailea]

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ok way WAY off topic, but what in the hell is with the My Little Pony pics..... lol

[Armando]

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ok way WAY off topic, but what in the hell is with the My Little Pony pics..... lol

What's with your non-pony pic?

[Firewind]

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Region locking is a deal breaker for me as I play a lot of JRPGS and they rarely, if ever get a UK release even though there's already a version in English already out and will probably have already been out for some time. The FF series, Pokemon Series, Tales of Series and just about anything Atlus makes are perfect examples.

It wasn't until FFXIII that the UK had it's release date in line with the US. From I-XII, we had releases anything up to eighteen months after the American release. Same with with all of the Pokemon games up to Pokemon Black/White.

Atlus, it tends to be random really. There's no way of telling if an Atlus game will ever come out over here. I know that we DO have P3P announced here but no release date. Best guess is July, a full year after the US release.

Tales of...We have only EVER had two Tales of games released in the UK: Symphonia and Vesperia

All of the above series sell like wildfire over here since the UK does have a very large and devoted RPG fanbase yet they never actually get a release here. Atlus and Namco are the worst offenders by far with Square Enix and Game Freak finally wising up and giving us less insane release dates.

What is annoying is that the UK and Japan are in the SAME REGION. If I want an anime DVD I can't get here I can easily import it from Japan and play it on my DVD player with no issue. Why the heck can't I do that with a game in my native language?

Region Locking is just another form of DRM, all DRM does in the big picture is encourage piracy and harm the legitimate consumer.

Hell some games are just saying screw English voice, and leaving the Japanese with English text. I just played Record of Argust War, and thats what they did ;p

It also had quite possibly the worst Japanese voice acting in a game since Disgaea 2 . The game was fun but I had to play it in mute because there was no way at all to turn off voice tracks.

Apart from the obvious answer of "Japanese Games", the thing just freaking came out. For the love of christ, is it even out stateside? Your idea that Japan-only games are few and far between is just plain wrong. Try going to a Japanese game store and walking down the aisle sometime. Take a look at the games on the DS; tell me seriously that most of them are out in the states. There's an entire genre of games that gets its own shelf at most stores here. In the US, I think there are maybe 7 or 8 games even on the market. This being educational games; as in, not Brain Age, puzzle games, or things aimed at kids, but actual educational materials. As far as I am aware, none of these have been released stateside.

Educational DS games sell pretty well in the UK actually since the vast majority of DS owners over here are actually adults.

[Feba]

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Maybe that's because they can't plug a USB cable into it to see what makes it tick more easily.

You-- you really have no idea how computers work. 3DS has an SD card slot anyway, along with plenty of other I/O opportunities, just like every electronic device worth using. I'll let Mhurron explain how much stupid the idea that "USB = root" is if he bothers reading this.

At least have the dignity to admit you're violating intellectual property rights when cracking an OS and, as such, the law to bypass a region lock.

Um, no? Some laws, perhaps; intellectual property rights (if you acknowledge their existence) are about who has the right to distribute a collection of data or ideas. Saying that you can't morally crack an OS is like saying you can't morally cut up a newspaper, or magazine, or splice a tape, or open up a VHS cassette. It's not what they want you to do, but there's nothing wrong with it.

Creating a bunch of submissive Japanese girls for a girlfriend simulator is just plain misogynistic and not even a good tutorial on how to treat women.

Yeah, Love Plus is pretty weird. It's hardly the only DS game that only got released in Japan. Even weirder, there's a Love Plus arcade game that came out about a month ago. Weirder still, that wasn't what we were talking about.

Educational DS games sell pretty well in the UK actually since the vast majority of DS owners over here are actually adults.

That's nice to hear, it gives me a bit of hope, but there's also the fact that in America even the adult owners are still Americans.

[Kailea]

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well I was returning a used game at work on my way back from class tonight, and finally got to try the 3DS (manager already broke his out of the box, and is using it as a demo unit for now since we where not sent one after all -.-)

He let me fool with it....and wow I was amazed, I had a hard time getting what I was seeing at first (not used to 3D at all) and I realized after a few moments and just stood there in aw as I was playing Rrrrrrriiidge Rrrrraaaccceeerrrr!......sorry had to ;p

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Atlus, it tends to be random really. There's no way of telling if an Atlus game will ever come out over here. I know that we DO have P3P announced here but no release date. Best guess is July, a full year after the US release.

Its not so much random as it is extremely complicated. Imagine being a small, critically acclaimed developer without a foothold in Europe. Right now, the company that owns you doesn't want office space in Europe, however, they're not discounting the possibility. When developers make deals with publishers, publishers are looking to get something long-term out of them. Basically, anything long-term would conflict with setting up shop in Europe were Index Corp's feelings to change on Atlus having a place there.

So Atlus only makes short-term deals with publishers. Square Enix is more than happy to pick up Persona 4 because they're hoping it gets their brand associated with it on consoles. Atlus and SE aren't really console game competitors.

In the handheld space, though, Atlus is a serious competitor to SE, so chances are they won't publish those.

Its all politics, really. There are problems like that for EU developers getting a game published in America too, to say nothing of Japan. This year, Atlus USA has started picking up distribution rights as publisher for a couple of EU games, such as the Cursed Crusade. Its also been a transitional year with the Japan branch shifting to PS3, 360, NGP and 3DS while still supporting DS and PSP, so things slowed down a bit for Atlus USA this year on the JP stuff. Gotta have something to do.

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Target is accepted DS Lite, DSi and DSi XLs in trade credit for $20, $40 and $60 respectively toward a 3DS.

This totally beats the $50, $75 and $100 Gamestop is offering. My GS is right next to a target. Maybe I'll stand out next to target and hand out flyers if they give me hours for Sunday this week.

KMart's deal isn't shabby, though. buy a 3DS and get a launch game for $25 along with it rather than the $40 they're retailing for.

[Firewind]

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Game and Gamestation are doing similar trade in deals with the 3DS in the UK. What is amusing is that both stores are owned by the same company and always have the exact same console deals, seeing the fanboys arguing over which store is better is always amusing. Chester's Game and Gamestation are directly opposite each other too which makes it even more amusing.

That being said I would probably end up looking at getting an American 3DS just to play Devil Survivor Overclocked and Persona 5. Region locking will really put he off getting a 3DS if it's true. I know that the DSi worked like the PS3 and PSP for region locking. Games were region free but DLC and apps were region locked. Having to buy Blazblue Continuum Shift twice to be able to play the additional characters was a pain.

If they are region locked then there are only two options for me:

1) Buying an American 3DS at great expense as it would incur massive import taxes and re-wiring and refitting the AC adaptor to work in the UK. (This would also void any warranty and void any insurance claims when the adaptor inevitably explodes)

2) Piracy.