Discussion about breaking NDAs

[Aksannyi]

Re: Discussion about breaking NDAs

On the topic of NDAs ...

It seems that SE has contacted BG about some of the content being posted there. From [ame=http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91187]this thread[/ame], in which the OP was edited by another moderator, they have taken down several posts at the request of SE.

The NDA actually is being taken seriously by SE, so perhaps we ought to try and follow it. They don't want people posting leaked stuff. I'm curious about XIV like everyone else, but I honestly can wait until they want to release more information.

i dont care anymore.... been getting it all day now, someone leaked my posts from the tester forums, so its all over the net now, and I have been getting emails/comments from pretty much everywhere but here.... to an extent.

its funny to see how childish some people can be when stuff like this happens -.-

My ". . ." was at his fucking retarded spelling. Though I agree with you. It's unfortunate that even if you'd wanted to keep it to yourself, there was no official channel through which to report the violations, so there would have been a witch hunt regardless.

Keep your head up, man. The internet is fairly fickle.

[Kailea]

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heh did not even notice the spelling, thats how little I really payed attention to it.

[ShepardG]

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I fail to see what interpretation it is open too.

They aren't testing the beta, their testing the alpha.

[SephirothYuyX]

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*EDITED*

Please write "I will not pour gasoline on the fire" 1000 times.

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You should lock it then because this whole thread is troll bait.

Good luck with your spam emails, and getting banned from the alpha/beta this week, Kailea, aka Papa Zelda.

[Kailea]

Re: Discussion about breaking NDAs

not sure who the hell Papa Zelda is but *shrugs*.......

Yeah ShepardG, I noticed that too, everywhere it says beta beta beta, but we are infact in Alpha, guess they did not want to make two different banners or something.

[Mhurron]

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They aren't testing the beta, their testing the alpha.

You're assuming the phrase 'Beta Tester' is being narrowly defined as someone participating in the fomally defined beta testing phase.

There is a reason that EULA's of this type have a preamble that defines how they are going to use phrases and I'll put money on it being defined in such a way that it does apply very clearly here and not in the ambiguous way you're trying to claim.

[Feba]

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I cant stay on topic

[Aksannyi]

Re: Arguing about the NDA

I think anyone who breaks the NDA does so at their own risk, however, I don't see any reason why another tester would feel the need to play contract police for SE. You aren't going to receive any cookies and your actions aren't going to improve the game, so why ruin the fun for those who are anxious to see how the game is shaping up? SE doesn't give a rat's ass about you and kissing their collective ass isn't going to change that. Sure the contract says you're supposed to report leaks, but think about it, who do you benefit by following that point?

Just re-read this post, and I felt compelled to reply.

Why report? How about the thousands of people who would be more than happy to follow all of SE's rules but couldn't get in to the testing phase? You know, people who wanted to actually test the game for bugs and not try to grow their e-peen by leaking shit all over? The NDA is in place for a reason, as has been discussed numerous times in other threads and other forums, so I'm not going into that, but really, it seems like such a simple thing to follow.

Also, I think that it encourages players in the testing to be concerned more with actually finding and reporting bugs than with their own e-peen and 15 minutes of fame. I'd much rather hear that a tester was working hard to find issues within the game than to spend his time sharing stuff he shouldn't be. It only takes about two minutes to black out names in a pic and post them somewhere, but in that two minutes he may have done something productive within the test atmosphere that could affect how the game is played when it goes live.

Sure, in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't amount to much, but you have say, 500 testers taking breaks to save screenshots or create map composites or haXXor the soundtrack, that's time they were spending that could have helped the game.

There are other reasons, but that's a big one. I know how much people want to see new stuff. And I know that SE really sucks at communication a lot of times. But that doesn't mean it's really fair for people to take what they don't want to give just yet. SE, like any huge company, has a marketing department, and they're probably busy doing market research right now, deciding what tidbits of information to release next, whether it be on the official site, or on Famistu (sp?) or to IGN or whatever. My point, though, is they know what they want to release. NDA breaches kind of screw with that, and it makes marketing's job that much harder. Working around leaks, and trying to keep things that they wanted to make "big reveals" secret.

Again, I understand people want info about the game, but really, patience is a virtue.

[GIOVANI]

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is there anyone who has the alpha client know a way to turn the music that plays off while it updates going on.

[Corrderio]

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is there anyone who has the alpha client know a way to turn the music that plays off while it updates going on.

What OS are you using? Vista (and maybe 7? Never tried the OS so can't comment) has a mixer option where you can mute certain programs.

Also WTF at this topic.

[Pwnagraphic]

Re: Arguing about the NDA

I can't believe people are so outraged about breaking the NDA. Yeah it's against the rules, but so is speeding. Which everyone here is guilty of. It's illegal, and against the law. So isn't it hypocritical to preach about how wrong it is when we ALL break basic traffic laws nearly everyday?

[GIOVANI]

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win 7 yes I dunno about a mixer I used to use vista befor this OS, hope theres some way to figure it out. I DUN IT BO BOO BOOOOO! thanks for that tip Win7 has mix option just never looked for it. much better

[Corrderio]

Re: Discussion about breaking NDAs

win 7 yes I dunno about a mixer I used to use vista befor this OS, hope theres some way to figure it out.

Well to use it on Vista you click the white speaker icon on the start menu's toolbar. Once that's up you should see a button saying "mixer" click that and it'll bring up a window where you can adjust the volume for each open application or mute it. Here's mine for a quick example:

[Kafeen]

Re: Arguing about the NDA

I can't believe people are so outraged about breaking the NDA. Yeah it's against the rules, but so is speeding. Which everyone here is guilty of. It's illegal, and against the law. So isn't it hypocritical to preach about how wrong it is when we ALL break basic traffic laws nearly everyday?

No, not everyone breaks traffic laws everyday and those that do should be banned from driving.

As far as the NDA goes. They've allowed people to play at the alpha stage of the game this time so that they can get feedback from people who are going to play. If there are too many leaks SE could quite easily decide that allowing the public to play during the alpha and beta stages of the game is just too risky and revoke it, keeping testing internal.

[Pwnagraphic]

Re: Arguing about the NDA

No, not everyone breaks traffic laws everyday and those that do should be banned from driving.

Going 1 mile over the speed limit IS breaking the law. You can't honestly say that not everyone breaks traffic laws. Shit.. You don't even need a car to break a traffic law like jay walking.

As far as the NDA goes. They've allowed people to play at the alpha stage of the game this time so that they can get feedback from people who are going to play. If there are too many leaks SE could quite easily decide that allowing the public to play during the alpha and beta stages of the game is just too risky and revoke it, keeping testing internal.

Shit I don't care. It'd stop all the bitching about breaking the NDA, lol. I'd still get to play the game eventually.. I don't need to do a bug hunt. But that would mean it would take longer to release.

You also got to remember that SE knew this would happen.. Only, what, 10% of the game is actually playable? Yeah we got a good fill on some stuff, but they ended up talking about in an interview anyway, lol.