Guide: How to send event/Pokesav'd Pokemon to your legit D/P/Pt/HG/SS w/o piracy

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Guide: How to send event/Pokesav'd Pokemon to your legit D/P/Pt/HG/SS w/o piracy

Did some breeding with Dittos and starter pokemon, I think these were my best nature and personality outcomes:

Charmander - Adamant, Loves to eat
Turtwig - Hardy, likes to relax
Totodile - Lonely, alert to Sounds
Piplup - Modest, capable of taking hits
Squirtle - Bold, quick to flee

Are those good picks? I referenced the guide a bit, so I think I got the best of each set I hatched. which was three of each.

Already took Turtwig all the way to a Torterra and he seems pretty well balanced, thinking of putting a Heart Scale I found in my Pokewalker toward Wood Hammer, which would be a hell of an upgrade from Razor Leaf now. I had a Empoleon and Feraligator, too, but they didn't seem as impressive.

I know the Piplup I have now probably won't have any real weaknesses. And if i can find the items to cover Charmander's weaknesses, he seems pretty win, too. I just gotta throw in some Steel moves, I'd think. Got him to 22 so far and surprised to learn they could use Dragon Rage.

[Rostum]

Re: Guide: How to send event/Pokesav'd Pokemon to your legit D/P/Pt/HG/SS w/o piracy

Hey thanks for all this Armando. Zach convinced me to order SoulSilver, so you'll have another player to chat to and maybe battle against.

[Armando]

Re: Guide: How to send event/Pokesav'd Pokemon to your legit D/P/Pt/HG/SS w/o piracy

Charmander - Adamant, Loves to eat Good if you're going to be using him purely as a physical attacker, bad if you go mixed
Turtwig - Hardy, likes to relax Neutral nature, doesn't really help you in any way
Totodile - Lonely, alert to Sounds Lowers your Defense, Adamant (lowers Sp.Atk) would've been much better
Piplup - Modest, capable of taking hits Bad for physical sweeping, good for most other varieties of Empoleon
Squirtle - Bold, quick to flee

As far as starters go Empoleon and Swampert are very fearsome, Ferraligatr doesn't offer much compared to them and mostly behaves like a gimp Gyarados. Blastoise can be used as a Rapid Spin user but is outclassed by the likes of Starmie, Tentacruel, Donphan and Forretress. As far as Fire types go the only two really good ones are Infernape and Heatran; Charizard's Flying type is a liability more often than not, especially when it makes him x4 weak to Stealth Rock (loses 50% HP switching in.) But if you're not worried about Stealth Rock and insist on using Charizard then Belly Drum, as ballsy as it is, it's what sets it apart. Mixed attacking is done better by Infernape (and even Azelf) and Dragon Dancing is done better by Salamence, Dragonite, Gyarados, Tyranitar and Kingdra.

Hey thanks for all this Armando. Zach convinced me to order SoulSilver, so you'll have another player to chat to and maybe battle against.

No prob, good to hear you're still alive and well :D Let me know if you need anything.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Guide: How to send event/Pokesav'd Pokemon to your legit D/P/Pt/HG/SS w/o piracy

So what would be best for a Piplup. Adamant as well? I guess it doesn't have to be so much of a tank since its already going to wind up Steel.

My Steelix and red Gyrados are Adamants, guess I'll be raising those in the meantime.

[Armando]

Re: Guide: How to send event/Pokesav'd Pokemon to your legit D/P/Pt/HG/SS w/o piracy

It really depends on what you want to do with it. Empoleon can be used defensively or offensively (and it can be used offensively in several ways), and the EVs will change according to that. Adamant is what you'd use for a Swords Dance Empoleon, all other typical varieties use special attacks instead of physical attacks so Adamant is useless there. I highly recommend you read its Smogon page for ideas.

[Kailea]

Re: Guide: How to send event/Pokesav'd Pokemon to your legit D/P/Pt/HG/SS w/o piracy

well I got me a free DSi because my Sister bought my nephew a used normal DS light, and so I picked up Heart Gold about a week ago. I used this program to get back my two beloved shinnies and its great.

Buneary and my Ralts, was able to give them my old trainers name and everything, along with where I had got them originally ^.^ I set them both at level 10 and no EVs so I could start them both over, but other then that I did not do anything to them.

These two where my only shinnies I ever cought myself, and leveled them both to 100 (letting them evolve of course) so getting them back really got me into the game again.

My first impression of this program was "omg evil hackers" but seeing, and even using it for a "good" reason I have to apologize.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Guide: How to send event/Pokesav'd Pokemon to your legit D/P/Pt/HG/SS w/o piracy

Next batch of Platinum starters gave me:

Piplup - Jolly, Good Endurance (Speed and Defense Up, Sp. Attack slowest growth)
Turtwig - Naughty, Loves to eat (Attack and HP up, Sp. Attack slowest growth
Chimchar - Rash, Somewhat vain (Sp. Attack up, Sp. Def penalty canceled out

I feel the Piplup and Turtwig are decent enough, might go back and work on another Chimchar as he's not really going capitalize on the Fighting strengths Infrenape has. The ther Chimchars were actually worse.

This Piplup sees to suit my tanking wants well enough, it an all arounder otherwise so far. Satisfied enough with Turtwig to keep this one, good attack and it has good defense by nature anyway.

Steelix, best attack and defense. At level 50, it has 224 defense and 116 attack

Red Gyrados is Adamant and Like to Thrash about so its all about Attack.

So steelix and Gyrados are still among my best, it seems.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Guide: How to send event/Pokesav'd Pokemon to your legit D/P/Pt/HG/SS w/o piracy

Lugia - BOLD and Mischevious.



HP: 157
Atk: 81
Def: 143
Sp. Atk: 97
Sp. Def: 150
Speed: 112

Keepin' it.

[Firewind]

Re: Guide: How to send event/Pokesav'd Pokemon to your legit D/P/Pt/HG/SS w/o piracy

As far as starters go Empoleon and Swampert are very fearsome, Ferraligatr doesn't offer much compared to them and mostly behaves like a gimp Gyarados. Blastoise can be used as a Rapid Spin user but is outclassed by the likes of Starmie, Tentacruel, Donphan and Forretress. As far as Fire types go the only two really good ones are Infernape and Heatran; Charizard's Flying type is a liability more often than not, especially when it makes him x4 weak to Stealth Rock (loses 50% HP switching in.) But if you're not worried about Stealth Rock and insist on using Charizard then Belly Drum, as ballsy as it is, it's what sets it apart. Mixed attacking is done better by Infernape (and even Azelf) and Dragon Dancing is done better by Salamence, Dragonite, Gyarados, Tyranitar and Kingdra.No prob, good to hear you're still alive and well :D Let me know if you need anything.

Actually Charizard is very underrated and is viable in OU as long as you stay the hell away from Belly Drum. Charizard can learn both Dragon Dance and Swords Dance plus Roost. If you pump some EVs into HP Charizard can reliably switch into something it can scare away, heal the SR damage, setup, and go to town. if you have a Rapid Spinner like Tentacruel or Forretress you're going to be able to get him into battle quite easily.

Currently run with this setup for Charizard:

Nature: Adamant
EVs: 144 HP, 252 Attack, 122 Speed
Item: Life Orb (Lum Berry is nice for when they switch in something with Will O Wisp)
Flare Blitz
Thunderpunch
Dragon Dance
Roost

[Armando]

Re: Guide: How to send event/Pokesav'd Pokemon to your legit D/P/Pt/HG/SS w/o piracy

Actually Charizard is very underrated and is viable in OU as long as you stay the hell away from Belly Drum. Charizard can learn both Dragon Dance and Swords Dance plus Roost. If you pump some EVs into HP Charizard can reliably switch into something it can scare away, heal the SR damage, setup, and go to town. if you have a Rapid Spinner like Tentacruel or Forretress you're going to be able to get him into battle quite easily.

That's true, but how does Charizard perform this role in a way that allows it to compete with Salamence, Dragonite, Gyarados, and to a lesser extent other Dragon Dancers like Tyranitar and Kingdra? Salamence, Dragonite and Gyarados can come in on Ground, Fighting, Bug, and Fire attacks just as easily as Charizard; the former two can also come in on Grass moves. All three also resist Water, giving them a resistance to all of Steel's vulnerabilities. Salamence and Gyarados come in with Intimidate making them physically sturdy and giving them the possibility of surviving Stone Edge. Though Dragonite lacks Intimidate it has higher defenses especially on the Special side, and has a move pool that puts Charizard's to shame, including all the elemental punches and Flamethrower/Fire Blast while having access to Superpower/Focus Punch, Aqua Tail, Thunder Wave, Light Screen, Outrage/Draco Meteor and Extremespeed. Both Salamence and Dragonite can Roost and set up if given 2 turns, like Charizard. All three have much higher Attack than Charizard, high enough that Charizard can't catch up even if it maxes out its Attack EVs and they don't invest any there. The two dragons also have comparable Special Attack to Charizard.

I have no doubt that it's a viable Pokemon in OU, like many UU are, but there's no point in using a Pokemon as an inferior version of another unless you just have a soft spot for it. Is there something I'm missing here?

@BBQ: Special Attack penalty is a bad thing for a non-Swords Dance Empoleon. An important thing about walls and tanks is that they need to be able to retaliate against the opponent while they take hits, or the opponent will just set up with Swords Dance/Nasty Plot/Dragon Dance/Calm Mind/Curse/Agility. The ideal offensive nature is the one that boosts the Attack stat that you're using and nerfs the one you don't use (Modest for Special Attack Empoleon.) +Speed nature is pretty useless for Empoleon too, since it's so slow.

Also bear in mind that personality traits (e.g. Somewhat vain) don't imply any sort of bonus, it simply points out the Pokemon's highest IV and what the IV's second digit can be. In fact, if the Pokemon's IVs are poor its highest IV may not be that high in the first place.

If you're gonna be breeding the old-fashioned way, I could upload the .PKM files for the 3-and-a-half boxes of legitimately caught Dittos of various natures back from my breeding days. I think I had at least 1 of every useful nature. I also have at least one Synchronize Abra of each useful nature, for your Legendary catching needs (having a Synchronize Pokemon at the top of your party, even if it's KO'd, forces encountered Pokemon to have the same nature as that one 50% of the time.)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Guide: How to send event/Pokesav'd Pokemon to your legit D/P/Pt/HG/SS w/o piracy

So you're saying the Dittos have a chance of influencing the nature of the hatched pokemon? Or is that just the rate at which the eggs are produced? Because I do get eggs out a quick-to-moderate rate with the Ditto I've beein using.

And Synchronize has a hidden ability to potentially alter the nature of caught pokemon. Hm. guess I'll go catch some more Abras and Ditto. Helps they're kinda in the same area anyway.

Which reminds me, I need to level an Abra to an Alakazam. Been slacking off on that.

[Armando]

Re: Guide: How to send event/Pokesav'd Pokemon to your legit D/P/Pt/HG/SS w/o piracy

From Emerald onwards, several abilities were given out-of-battle effects (e.g. having a Pokemon with Illuminate or Sweet Scent on top of your party increases wild encounter rates.) Smogon's Ability section mentions them, and Bulbapedia should too; Serebii doesn't if I remember right, because Serebii simply quotes the game's (often ambiguous) description for the ability.

If two non-Ditto Pokemon breed, and the mother is holding an Everstone, the baby has a 50% chance to have the mother's nature. If you breed a Ditto and another Pokemon of any gender and the Ditto is holding an Everstone, there's a 50% chance the baby will have the same nature as the Ditto. In HG/SS, if either parent is holding one of the stat-specific EV boosting items, then the baby will always inherit the IV for that stat from that parent.

If you have a Pokemon with Flame Body or Magma Armor in your party (anywhere if I remember correctly,) then the number of steps required to hatch the egg is halved.

Might want to read Smogon's Breeding Guide. It's very thorough.

EDIT: I've attached the .PKM files for my Ditto and Abra boxes (and a couple of bred Riolu that happened to share a box with the Abra.) To load entire boxes at a time in PokeSav, go to Storage Edit, choose Load Box, then select all .PKM files in the folder. Note, however, that since the .PKMs are from Storage you'll have to copy their stats manually into party slots and re-save the .PKM to be able to send them to yourself.

[Kailea]

Re: Guide: How to send event/Pokesav'd Pokemon to your legit D/P/Pt/HG/SS w/o piracy

Pokemon is a lot more complicated then I remember........ when I played Pearl, I was still going off just what I knew about gold (the old gold) I never really looked up anything pokemon, I just always played the games as my own little RPG, with a trade here and there.

but good lord -.- I feel poke'stupid now (god that was horrible attempt at a joke ;p)

[Armando]

Re: Guide: How to send event/Pokesav'd Pokemon to your legit D/P/Pt/HG/SS w/o piracy

Eh, games are as simple or deep as you want them to be =P Some people play FFVII and simply beat the story, others entertain themselves figuring out the finer details of the battle system and breaking the game in as many ways as possible. [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7dis7MByZM"]YouTube- FFVII - Reducing Physical Damage[/nomedia]

Even RBY/GSC had IVs and EVs, except they were called DVs and Stat EXP respectively. It was less cool back in the day because because you could max out the Stat EXP for all stats instead of having a maximum quantity you can allocate.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Aside from Bold or Adamant Natures, what are some of the other ideal natures? Rash seems good, too.

I been breeding Abras on my own (keeping it as real as possible, only resorting to Pokesav save for event and some stuff I can't get in Ruby/Sapphire). Got about half the natures with Synchronize. Its tricky because Psychic Pokemon tend to also have dual abilities. My first Bold had Inner Focus, which I released.