Oh that Nomura!

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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The thing about Crisis Core is is shows us a few things about Sephiroth that not only were not known about in FFVII, but worse, not even hinted at. Most likely because these were not aspects of his character then and easily written in later.

But when you played Crisis Core, the logic behmnd the mania he eventually embraced starts to make sense. Either way, you see him as a guy who seriously bought into the notion that he was this authentic champion. Crisis Core shows another side of that, that not only does he think that, but that he's actually rather spoiled and if a job is beneath him, he'll pawn it off another member of Soldier.

He likes the admiration he's getting, the fan clubs and his social status, even though he's not all that social. He just likes the hero worship he gets. So when he finds out he's manufactured, that he was made to be this champion he fancies himself to be, he's now feels like a fraud and that he didn't earn these things, but that they were just planted in him.

FFVI actually has a side to Kefka's story that didn't make it fully into the final game, but was later detailed on one of those art/story collections they release in Japan. Its possible the story elements didn't make it in due to memory limitations of the time for that game.

Kefka was an orphan, abused, but rather than take that and blame his problems on that, he used it to better himself in school so he could get away from that life. He graduates top of his class, goes on to join Emperor Gehstal's army. He practically worships the emperor. Being the smart guy he is, he starts to ascend through the rank and begins to work with Doctor Cid on his experiments with magic.

Time passes and he volunteers to become the first guy in the army infused with the power of magicite. The results are powerful and he continues to acend through the ranks almost to the top of the army, gaining total trust from the emperor. Its also around this time that Celes becomes the next subject to be infused with the power of Magicite. Kefka forms a bond and to him she's like the sister he never had.

She, too, rises in the ranks of the army and he's proud, but then the experiment he had taken part in takes its toll on his mind. He starts to lose it and starts to lose his rank and she continues to rise and take his place. He starts to wear makeup and dress more feminine,almost as though to mock her out of jealousy after he cuts off their relationship.

This gives more substance as to why Kefka seemed to have it out for Celes and in the japenese version, his words for her were much more derogatory that what we got. His mockery of her eventually becomes a mockery of everything. He starts to see the futility of life because no matter how high you ascend, everyone falls. He dedicates his life to driving that point home to everyone (pretty much what the Joker is about, too). And he sets about his own cycle again.

But the emperor still trusts Kefka, sees potential in him and takes him on as Court Mage, still affording him some military power for the dirty work and Kefka loves it.

I want to see those little details added in because they're not retcon like what Sephiroth had, they add a bit of substance to Kefka. They could also use the opportunity to give some more backstory to the optional party members as well.

[Gobo]

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[hexx]

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The thing about Crisis Core is is shows us a few things about Sephiroth that not only were not known about in FFVII, but worse, not even hinted at. Most likely because these were not aspects of his character then and easily written in later.

But when you played Crisis Core, the logic behmnd the mania he eventually embraced starts to make sense. Either way, you see him as a guy who seriously bought into the notion that he was this authentic champion. Crisis Core shows another side of that, that not only does he think that, but that he's actually rather spoiled and if a job is beneath him, he'll pawn it off another member of Soldier.

He likes the admiration he's getting, the fan clubs and his social status, even though he's not all that social. He just likes the hero worship he gets. So when he finds out he's manufactured, that he was made to be this champion he fancies himself to be, he's now feels like a fraud and that he didn't earn these things, but that they were just planted in him.

FFVI actually has a side to Kefka's story that didn't make it fully into the final game, but was later detailed on one of those art/story collections they release in Japan. Its possible the story elements didn't make it in due to memory limitations of the time for that game.

Kefka was an orphan, abused, but rather than take that and blame his problems on that, he used it to better himself in school so he could get away from that life. He graduates top of his class, goes on to join Emperor Gehstal's army. He practically worships the emperor. Being the smart guy he is, he starts to ascend through the rank and begins to work with Doctor Cid on his experiments with magic.

Time passes and he volunteers to become the first guy in the army infused with the power of magicite. The results are powerful and he continues to acend through the ranks almost to the top of the army, gaining total trust from the emperor. Its also around this time that Celes becomes the next subject to be infused with the power of Magicite. Kefka forms a bond and to him she's like the sister he never had.

She, too, rises in the ranks of the army and he's proud, but then the experiment he had taken part in takes its toll on his mind. He starts to lose it and starts to lose his rank and she continues to rise and take his place. He starts to wear makeup and dress more feminine,almost as though to mock her out of jealousy after he cuts off their relationship.

This gives more substance as to why Kefka seemed to have it out for Celes and in the japenese version, his words for her were much more derogatory that what we got. His mockery of her eventually becomes a mockery of everything. He starts to see the futility of life because no matter how high you ascend, everyone falls. He dedicates his life to driving that point home to everyone (pretty much what the Joker is about, too). And he sets about his own cycle again.

But the emperor still trusts Kefka, sees potential in him and takes him on as Court Mage, still affording him some military power for the dirty work and Kefka loves it.

I want to see those little details added in because they're not retcon like what Sephiroth had, they add a bit of substance to Kefka. They could also use the opportunity to give some more backstory to the optional party members as well.

This right here BBQ, Kefka was the ultimate villain in my eyes, for he not only wished to destroy the world, but he accomplished it initially. I remember getting into a heated debate over who was a better villain, Sephiroth, Id from Xenogears, or Kefka. My vote will always be with Kefka.

Yes FFVI should get a remake over FFVII simply because of the scope of it. So many characters, not all of them got fleshed out properly, but they would look so damn awesome in HD. I mean, I always wondered just how big Sabin was, that they kept poking fun at him throughout the game.

[Ketaru]

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The problem with this argument is that there is no such thing as "without Crisis Core" to Sephiroth fans.

I think a similar statement about the anime series Neon Genesis Evangelion has been made about how they manage to keep on milking the franchise over and over- just claim everything is closer and closer to Hideaki Anno's "vision" of the series. If Gainax suddenly released a stick figure flipbook and called it the lost chapter of Rei Ayanami's life before she became sentient, fans would lap it up as if it gave immunity to Cancer.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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you know, there's one game that's also highly demanded, but people have quickly forgotten.

Dissidia: Final Fantasy garnered so much interest people were even clamoring for a console version.

It would be very easy to follow up on PSP, the assets are all there, just expand the character roster further with more fighters.

[Feba]

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It would be very easy to follow up on PSP, the assets are all there, just expand the character roster further with more fighters.

Hell, they don't even need to release Dissidia 2. Just call it Dissidia+, add in online fights and another character for each game, and you've got yourself a pretty decent new package.

I have to say, I'd be kinda disappointed to see Dissidia hit consoles. That would be competing with Smash, which would pretty much rule out having a challenger in Smash 4 be from FF, and pretty much thereafter until the Dissidia subfranchise dies.

What about some of those Square games from PS1 that people still miss sorely? Brave Fencer Musashi, Vagrant Story, Parasite Eve?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Tapping other games could get messy, because then people would be all like, "Why Yangus from DQVIII and not Sabin from FFVI?" Better to keep in in the realm of FFish things. You could weasel in Vagrant Story or Kingdom Hearts since they're associated with Final Fantasy, but that's almost as far as I'd want to see them go.

Actually, I don't want Sora within miles of this game. Funny I like KH, but the thing I like least about it is its main protagonist.

[Feba]

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No no, I meant what if Nomura is working on expanding one of those franchises. Sorry, should've made it clearer that I was going back to the main point there. Not that seeing SE tap its franchises couldn't be great-- Lara Croft VS. Doom Train GOGO.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I think they're going to keep the Eidos stuff separate, as Eidos is keeping its identity.

Though they do seem to have some level of interest in working with them on Deus Ex 3, they're going to be doing the CG work for them.

[Armando]

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I remember getting into a heated debate over who was a better villain, Sephiroth, Id from Xenogears, or Kefka. My vote will always be with Kefka.

Funny, I never really considered Id a villain throughout my Xenogears playthrough. If anything Grahf or Krelian.

Lara Croft VS. Doom Train GOGO.

That'd be like Bayonetta, except nowhere near as awesome.

[Firewind]

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This right here BBQ, Kefka was the ultimate villain in my eyes, for he not only wished to destroy the world, but he accomplished it initially. I remember getting into a heated debate over who was a better villain, Sephiroth, Id from Xenogears, or Kefka. My vote will always be with Kefka.

My issue with Sephiroth was that everyone ingame claimed that he was some kind of reincarnation of the bastard child of Hitler and the girl from The Excorcist raised by Machiavelli yet the most evil thing he did in the game was go badshit insane, shove Tifa and Zack down a flight of stairs then sit in an icicle for 6 years until the party killed him.

Yes FFVI should get a remake over FFVII simply because of the scope of it. So many characters, not all of them got fleshed out properly, but they would look so damn awesome in HD. I mean, I always wondered just how big Sabin was, that they kept poking fun at him throughout the game.

I think that was one of the reasons why I wasn't a massive fan of FFVI. I wanted to like the game but part of me just kept thinking "meh" because not everyone really gets fleshed out development-wise. I wanted to like the game and love the characters but I just got this feeling of the game being rushed and half-finished really because so many player chaarcters didn't really get much in the way of character development.

That being said I wouldn't mind seeing a FFVI remake if they did flesh out the player characters a lot more. Terra and Kefka are two of my favourite characters out of the whole series so I'd never say no to seeing more of them

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Er... all of the playable characters save for GoGo and Umaro, every character did have a backstory and considerable character development. We saw what motivated them in both halves of the game - the catch was most of the second half was optional. I think for having the largest cast in the series, FFVI covered everyone pretty well.

[hexx]

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Er... all of the playable characters save for GoGo and Umaro, every character did have a backstory and considerable character development. We saw what motivated them in both halves of the game - the catch was most of the second half was optional. I think for having the largest cast in the series, FFVI covered everyone pretty well.

You have a point there, but the problem with that is some characters got fleshed out in obvious ways, and others you had to bust your ass to get any more info. To this day I still don't know what Relm's relationship to Shadow is, and asides from his guilty feelings for his old girlfriend dying, what has Locke been up to since then till the events from the game etc etc.

Bayonetta, shes gonna have my babies.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Relm's relationship with Shadow is that Interceptor took a liking to Relm and through that, he developed a degree of affection (though he'd never admit it) for her. Interceptor was the only thing in the world he trusted, when Interceptor showed faith in others they traveled with, he began to as well.

That's the whole reason he came around. Well, unless you took off and didn't wait for him before the world of Ruin. Then he died.

Shadow just wanted to be alone, live as a sellsword and survive. In meeting with the Returner's frequently, he found something to really fight for.

His characterization is subtle because well, that's pretty much what he's all about. He's a ninja. He's still going to be an introvert and refuse to show weakness.

You could say the same for most people in FFXII, Shadow is just a guy that doesn't need to be overstated. The second he becomes that, he can't be badass anymore. They wanted to maintain some mystery to the character.

That's rather different from say, Vincent getting little background other than "My girlfriend was Sephiroth's surrogate mother and Hojo banged her, now she's trapped in this crystal for unexplained reasons." There was a whole story to tell, but they give us a brief series of highlights that really didn't tell much of anything.

Until Dirge of Cerberus, anyway.

[hexx]

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Relm's relationship with Shadow is that Interceptor took a liking to Relm and through that, he developed a degree of affection (though he'd never admit it) for her. Interceptor was the only thing in the world he trusted, when Interceptor showed faith in others they traveled with, he began to as well.

No that doesn't sound right, if I remembe correctly, both Relm and Shadow can wear the "Memento Charm" that originally comes equipped on Relm when you first get her. Also when staying at an Inn while having both Relm and Shadow in my party, some dream sequences would trigger but I dont think i got them all because i'm still unsure as to how the two are related.