New SuperMBWii might get a lot of sales?

[Armando]

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Am I the only one that liked the Tanooki Suit? LOL

No, you are not. Tanooki Suit is the coolest flying power-up ever and the cape only comes close because it was funner to use.

I'm not understanding the rancor here.

The fact that if a game isn't 3D it's not worth your time any more. Or perhaps it's the fact that you think that somehow, just somehow, it's better to spend money on 3D remakes of games that were already full of fuckwin awesome instead of creating new content, when there's no way to turn a 2D game into a 3D one and preserve the gameplay. If they're going to make a 3D game it may as well be a new one.

[jenova_9]

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oh ya the tanooki suit was cool!

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Here's Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memoires. Its a 2D game.
Here's Kingdome Hearts Re: Chain of Memories. its the 3D version.

Now, while the game at its core elements does manage to stay the same, its undeniable that factoring in things like target locks and camera control and reaction commands made the PS2 version just a bit more cumbersome to deal with. Collision detection also unfolded differently.

But that's an RPG with queued card elements, there's not much else to be lost in translation here. For a Mario platformer, you'd lose a whole hell of a lot.

Now, let's take an airship level from SMB3 and dream that up into 30. Projectile attacks just got a lot less threatening if we're maintaining direct gameplay stylings. Bullet Bill, Cannons, Monty Moles throwing wrenches - all that became less effective. That and I could never conceivable bounce Monty Moles for 1Ups the World 8 streamlined airship.

For the general game, the function of P Blocks would have to be expanded. and we'd lose how shells ricochet for scoring and 1up purposes.

Really, I don't see why some people don't understand that 2D Mario is a style and a valid one. Its still popular, every adult that watched it unfold at Gamestop was geeking out over it and kids loved it just as much as any other kind of Mario. Mario isn't exactly held to the same standards as, say, Sonic the Hedgehog. Mario is known for versatility, Sonic for speed.

They're still making Galaxy 2 - there's your 3D Mario. He plays by a few different rules in 3D, too. 2D and 3D Mario can coexist as concepts, they don't have to merge.

[Feba]

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Mario is known for versatility, Sonic for speed.

actually, watching NSMB, Mario gets dangerously-sonic-like speed and smoothness sometimes. Almost reminds me of some of the Ninja-platformers that've been released in the past generation or so; and I consider this a good thing.

[Malacite]

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The fact that if a game isn't 3D it's not worth your time any more.

Screw you for even saying that. Seriously, a lot of my favorite games are 2D, but you need to get with the times already. Does lack of 3D keep me from loving my old Castlevania, Final Fantasy or Mega Man games? No. I've beaten Super Metroid I don't know how many times.

Quit harping like on me for wanting to see what worked so well in the past re-invisioned with the latest technology. You're worse than the people preaching abstinence.

[cidbahamut]

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So do you want a 2D game or a 3D game? They're very different beasts, and you can't really turn one into the other and have it be the same thing.

The technology to make things 3D does not necessitate creating things in 3D.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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actually, watching NSMB, Mario gets dangerously-sonic-like speed and smoothness sometimes. Almost reminds me of some of the Ninja-platformers that've been released in the past generation or so; and I consider this a good thing.

Mario is Superman and Sonic is The Flash. Both run fast but Superman can do a lot more since he doesn't just bank on speed.

[Armando]

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but you need to get with the times already.

No, not really. There's nothing wrong with 3D Marios but they don't play like 2D Marios. They're not the same thing. You can't replace one with the other.

[Feba]

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but you need to get with the times already.

You do realize you just proved his point, right?

If you don't admit that 2D is still a valid medium for games, you're saying that something has to be 3D to be worth your time.

[Malacite]

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No, not really. There's nothing wrong with 3D Marios but they don't play like 2D Marios. They're not the same thing. You can't replace one with the other.

You're right, they're not the same. But what's wrong with taking some of Mario 3's levels and making 3D worlds out of them the way they did in Mario 64? One of the things that always bothered me in that game was there were no fire flowers just growing in the wild that you could run up to and touch for the flame powers :/

And come on, Giant World is just begging for 3D lol.

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You do realize you just proved his point, right?

No I did not. 2D games are on the decline for better or worse, and there's so much more you can do with 3D. That does not mean I don't enjoy or appreciate 2D games, but like it or not the industry is gradually moving away from them.

Now granted it will probably be another decade before we get rid of them completely I'd wager, but 3D is where it's at.

[Durahansolo]

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Just to report on the game. I was just playing it with my mom who also loves NSMB for Wii and she lost 10+ lives and had to continue 3 times. Mind you we only played to the second world. Many lols though.

[Armando]

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but like it or not the industry is gradually moving away from them.

Nintendo laughs at your industry trends. This is probably because Nintendo usually delivers no matter what crazy game concept they're pitching.

I don't see what "the industry is moving away from 2D" has to do with "Super Mario Bros Wii is fucking awesome."

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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You know, for all the "moving away" from 2D the industry has done, it almost seems as though the 2D stuff stands out more because of it.

It certainly didn't stop Blazeblue, a revival of MVC2, Nippon Ichi's games, most of the DS library and several PSP games from appealing to gamers. I don't buy stuff like Crimson Gem Saga because I'm behind the times, but because is a good RPG that out now and happens to be 2D.

[jenova_9]

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2-D is great for some things.

but games like FFXIII and FFXIV and other games are still way better and can only be enjoyed in 3-D.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Bold words, you do realize that most RPG mechanics never require 3D, right? Many of them could be just as 2D as they could be 3D. You could take everything about FFVII and make a 2D game of it and not lose a thing in terms of gameplay.