Because it was so hard to translate, Ad Hoc Party comes to Western PS3s

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

PSP AdhocParty Coming To North America - Adhoc Party - Kotaku

Some would say better late than never, I just say "Why this when Infrastructure Mode does the same damn thing?" But then I guess putting Infrastructure Mode in all PSP games would mean they couldn't use this to move PS3s.

I'll have my PS3 in the next few months, but its only because of Sony's insistence of gutting Infrastructure in favor of AHP that leaves my Dissidia, Phantasy Star and Monster Hunter PSP experiences so horribly gimped in the first place. Sony was all like "Dude, just put in AHP, we totally go this!"

What's really flabbergasting is this thing was only six pages of text and could have been put out in the west well over a year ago. Online games are kind of a big deal over here, Sony, get with the program.

I also think its rather telling that Sony's own internal western teams use Infrastructure for online multiplayer. Apparently Sony Japan can't take a hint from them - they know they can't move their multiplayer games without Infrastructure.

[Malacite]

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(Seriously is it really that hard/painful to just support Infrastructure Mode? Better than nothing but still...)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Well, Mal, as I pointed out Sony's western developers don't seem to be falling for this either. There is a trend of Japanese going back to Infrastructure, including SE. It was just too late to make the change for Dissidia, but online was there for Thexder Neo and all parties saw to that it would be there.

[Malacite]

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Couldn't they add an online-mode update to it via DLC though?

Capcom did it for Resident Evil 5 (though I still think it was retarded as far as that game is concerned, Dissidia at least begs for an online mode)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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As I understand it, the AHP interface allows you to make rooms to host for certain games that people will be able to search. This is why PS3 is acting as the forced medium.

Could they just expand PSN functions to integrate into PSP via firmware, let people see what you're playing and join in. They could, but its pretty clear Sony wants to try and sell you a PS3 to make it work instead.

I'm already making my final retail purchases for the year with the next set of preorders I'm doing today, Zelda Spirit Tracks will be the last until March.. I would like to have a PS3, an HDTV and such before March 10th anyway, so may as well get with the saving. There's more than enough for me to finish and I'm sure I'll be able to spare some cash here and there for stuff on DSiWare and PSN to hold me over.

I think Sony should still encourage Infrastructure as a feature for those that don't have PS3, though. Both can coexist and neither are hard to implement..

[Malacite]

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I agree. This is the side of Sony I hate, their business practices are moronic despite putting out quality stuff > _<;

Speaking of buying a PS3 though, I wonder if the FF13 bundle will make it's way to North America. It might not because of the 360 version, but you never know.

[jenova_9]

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PSP created a lot of problems and split the Sony community.

I would of liked to play Dissidia online on PS3, but there's no way I'll buy a PSP to play it. :p

[Malacite]

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PSP created a lot of problems and split the Sony community.

No, Sony's own stupidity created problems.

I would of liked to play Dissidia online on PS3, but there's no way I'll buy a PSP to play it. :p

Can we revoke Jenova's posting privileges now? Spewing such blasphemy on a final fantasy forum FOR SHAME!

You'll fork out the cash for a PS3, but totally ignore the PSP? Sorry, I can't quite follow the logic on that one.

[Tickmeoff]

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You'll fork out the cash for a PS3, but totally ignore the PSP? Sorry, I can't quite follow the logic on that one.

PS3 has multiple games she wants. PSP does not.

hurr durr?

Can we revoke Jenova's posting privileges now?

Nobody on this forum deserves this more than you.

[Malacite]

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[Feba]

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Malacite, brave as it is, we really do not need to see your attempts at self-portraits.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Because it was so hard to translate, Ad Hoc Party comes to Western PS3s

PSP created a lot of problems and split the Sony community.

I would of liked to play Dissidia online on PS3, but there's no way I'll buy a PSP to play it. :p

No.

It split Sony's attention and they've admitted as much recently, but that's only because that is how they approach it. Nintendo seems to handle the load of two platforms just fine - probably because they're not trying to sell a dozen other features within them.

It did not split the Sony community any more than DS has split Nintendo's, which seems to be not at all. Its gamers and largely western gamers that try to push portable gaming into a separate arena when its just as viable as console gaming these days.

SE made Dissidia with the intention of it being a handheld game. It was never conceptualized for consoles, only handhelds. Console games are generally not designed for quick-fix play like handheld games are. Everything Dissidia does within its design is geared to the strengths of a portable game, not a console game.

Just like FFXI was intended for PS2 (a fact PC gamers love to ignore), Dissidia was made from the ground up for PSP. PS3 was never in the cards.

Ad Hoc Party, however, does split the PSP community, just as Nintendo forcing connectivity on Gamecube and GBA games last generation split its community off from some great Gamecube games. That should never be done. PSP should be treated as its own thing, but Sony seems to have a hard time letting it be that.

[Malacite]

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Well, Sony is quoted as saying the PSP is ultimately just an accessory for the PS3 which in and of itself is just plain wrong IMO. I like that side of it, but to say that's it's ultimate purpose is incredibly short-sighted.

Would it kill them to just either do away with Ad-Hoc or at least make Infrastructure the norm and save ad-hoc for party-style games? Seriously, not giving Dissidia full online play was a colossal screw up. Even the hardest AI's, as much as they cheat, can become old hat pretty fast once you figure them out and start to learn how to pull off infinites.

Speaking of which am I the only one who's tired of cheap tricks like this being left in games? The fact that I can play Zidane or Sephiroth and just keep someone indefinitely pinned down by bravery attacks from just hitting square over and over and over at the right moment is just plain asinine.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Dissidia does not have combos in any traditional sense, therefore, it does not have infinites, you're just memorizing animations. Not to mention these "infinites" of yours are entirely breakable.

And again, jacked up enemies are not magically harder, they just have special conditions. This is laid bare before you even engage them, nothing is hidden.

[Malacite]

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Dissidia does not have combos in any traditional sense, therefore, it does not have infinites, you're just memorizing animations. Not to mention these "infinites" of yours are entirely breakable.

That's what you think. I'll kick your ass from here to eternity with Zidane and you'll never land a single blow on me.


If you really believe there aren't infinites and combos, you need to go check out some of the Dissidia FAQ's and videos on youtube. That's where I learned how to lock the AI into infinite or at least very deadly brave damage loops.


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8YtYxUCrxk"]YouTube- Dissidia Final Fantasy - Zidane's Infinite Combo ver.2 and other things...[/ame]


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zhlKi4gTPw"]YouTube- Dissidia Final Fantasy: General Zidane Guide[/ame]


Hi2u EX Cancel, Dodge Cancel & Return Dodge. Zidane FTW


Also, Sephiroth is seriously bad ass;

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmDWQdrTLfw"]YouTube- Dissidia: Final Fantasy [ENG]- Sephiroth Combo Video[/ame]