SE announces 2-3 new big titles, doesn't tell anyone what they are

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Should I DL an emulator to play FFVI?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Should I DL an emulator to play FFVI?

Should you steal things? I think you can answer that for yourself.

At the very least there are plenty of places local to you or online that are selling it used. Your best bet would be to look for a GBA copy, as I'm sure any Gamestop still has the cartridges at the very least.

[Feba]

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At the very least there are plenty of places local to you or online that are selling it used. Your best bet would be to look for a GBA copy, as I'm sure any Gamestop still has the cartridges at the very least.

Because everyone totally still has a GBA, or a PSX, AND the ability to find the games.

AND because buying the games used gives SO MUCH MORE back to the developers than pirating them.

AND because buying the games used and then downloading a copy to play on an emulator is SO MUCH MORE damaging to the developers than playing the game on the original hardware.

AND because it's important to support games that the publisher has effectively abandoned despite easy channels for modern distribution (VC, PSN, XBL, Steam, etc.).

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Because everyone totally still has a GBA, or a PSX, AND the ability to find the games.

AND because buying the games used gives SO MUCH MORE back to the developers than pirating them.

AND because buying the games used and then downloading a copy to play on an emulator is SO MUCH MORE damaging to the developers than playing the game on the original hardware.

AND because it's important to support games that the publisher has effectively abandoned despite easy channels for modern distribution (VC, PSN, XBL, Steam, etc.).

Oh you're so clever, I haven't heard these arguments before.

Both GBA and PSX consoles are still relatively easy to find and cheap to buy. Not to mention that DS Lite still supports GBA games. Oh yes, totally hard to find and there is nothing to play on DS, right?

Most the biggest gaming retail chains out there would crumble without used revenue, seeing as they can't get fancy price cuts from publishers like mega-chains like Wal-Mart and Best Buy do. What retailers get for selling consoles and copies of new games is pretty pathetic when you look at the numbers, used is where the money is at for them.

It doesn't help matters that game companies still seem terribly preoccupied with cutting publishing of physical copies. This is what you use to justify to steal, though, even when it might be easy to find. Funny how we can try to make legal distinctions about what other people are doing in order to justify our own wrongdoing.

But what about games like Resisitance for PSP? Yeah, that one's in print, but over 70% of the active players online didn't buy it. So why you're pointing at the evils of selling used, pirates aren't doing currently available games any favors. Ultimately, you're just trying to rationalize your own pilfering ways instead of trying to show publishers there is demand.

I won't defend the likes of Sony for not implementing more easy means of piracy prevention, but it doesn't mean I should be stealing from them, either.

Buying from a mom'n'pop supports your local community, which is apparently a bad thing. I guess you support the shitty selection of new titles that mega-chains such as Best Buy and Wal-Mart offer. They don't take the risks smaller chains do to carry new titles that appeal to the niche gamer and will even stop stocking popular games after a set period of time.

Even when presented with digital distribution as an option, the pirate still sticks to its true nature - they don't really give a damn about the well-being of any business. The pirate tries to justify piracy when a game is out of print because companies are "too stubborn" to change and make them downloadable, but when it becomes legitimately purchasable online for download then its all about the price they're asking and the pirate just goes on pirating games because they're "too much" and companies are "greedy." They can't seem to make up their minds, really.

[Ferno]

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I see Konami is making a Vandal Hearts prequel and bringing it to the PSN network and XBLA at the end of this month, woot!

[Armando]

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This is my reasoning for my stealing. Not saying it's moral:

I will only spend so much $ on games per year. I don't have a stable income (mostly because I'm still a college student) so 90% of my games come directly from my parents' money. No matter what, I will only buy 3-4 games a year unless I get a summer job to pay for my own games. So I download all I want and pay for the 3-4 I liked best/enjoyed most/will get the most out of. Case in point, I payed the full $40 for CTDS even though I've beaten that game well over 6 times throughout my life. Soon I'll be asking my parents for money to buy The Lion War as well, even though I've beaten FFT just as many times.

In the ideal case I do 0 damage. I'm not stealing a physical copy, so they lose no goods. The amount of games I purchase is constant regardless of how many games I emulate, so they wouldn't have made any more profit even if I didn't emulate. Not just that, there are far, far more games that are relevant to my interests than I could ever hope to own.

This is a serious question: If your reasoning is that emulation robs legitimate non-chain video game stores from safe, straight-up profit (which is true), would you argue say that rental stores does similar damage? For every game you rent start to finish, it's a game you don't need to buy unless it has high replay and you plan on replaying it. Then again, a similar case occurs for emulation: there are plenty of people that can't be bothered to go through the hoops of downloading emulators and tracking down ROMs, and continue to buy games even if they'd play them for free if given the chance. 1 or 2 copies at a rental store can provide playthroughs to an indefinite number of people, with the only limitation being time.

I'm not trying to imply emulation is legitimate because a rental store is similarly detrimental. Just curious on your take on that.

[Kailea]

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Ahem.

doh...... -.- I have the case sitting right here, and I forgot it was made by Sony....


okok.... PS3 then, but for gods sake not PsP

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Should I DL an emulator to play FFVI?

dony listen to OMG... go download a friken emulator and the rom for the game, there is noting wrong with having roms for any system below the N64

I have a complete (or as close as I can get) collection of roms for NES, SNES, Genesis, GameBoy, Gameboy Color, and a few GBA and TG16 games.

Now what IS wrong, is some one charging $5 for an NES game, that you dont even get a physical copy of *cough*..........

[Durahansolo]

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Now what IS wrong, is some one charging $5 for an NES game, that you dont even get a physical copy of *cough*..........

LOL, if only Nintendo would give me free Virtual Console copies of all the NES games I own.

[Feba]

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Both GBA and PSX consoles are still relatively easy to find and cheap to buy. Not to mention that DS Lite still supports GBA games. Oh yes, totally hard to find and there is nothing to play on DS, right?

Yep, and spending money on old consoles helps developers!

Most the biggest gaming retail chains out there would crumble without used revenue, seeing as they can't get fancy price cuts from publishers like mega-chains like Wal-Mart and Best Buy do. What retailers get for selling consoles and copies of new games is pretty pathetic when you look at the numbers, used is where the money is at for them.

By which you mean that GameStop would fail if they weren't whores. And what if I don't shop at gaming chains? Am I destroying the industry because I'm not shopping at the stores you like?

Yeah, that one's in print, but over 70% of the active players online didn't buy it. So why you're pointing at the evils of selling used, pirates aren't doing currently available games any favors.

That's nice. This is like saying that because some people beat their children, all physical contact with children is bad. In reality, like most things, there's a time and a place for it.

Buying from a mom'n'pop supports your local community, which is apparently a bad thing. I guess you support the shitty selection of new titles that mega-chains such as Best Buy and Wal-Mart offer. They don't take the risks smaller chains do to carry new titles that appeal to the niche gamer and will even stop stocking popular games after a set period of time.

I don't know where you live, but where I live not only do we not have mom'n'pop gaming stores anymore, there is a surprising amount of availability from retail stores. Worst case scenario, by pirating, is that I'm helping these small businesses you care about by not giving money to their competition.

Even when presented with digital distribution as an option, the pirate still sticks to its true nature - they don't really give a damn about the well-being of any business. The pirate tries to justify piracy when a game is out of print because companies are "too stubborn" to change and make them downloadable, but when it becomes legitimately purchasable online for download then its all about the price they're asking and the pirate just goes on pirating games because they're "too much" and companies are "greedy." They can't seem to make up their minds, really.

This has nothing to do with the discussion. We're talking about piracy of games under very specific circumstances, mainly those where THE DEVELOPER HAS NO BENEFIT EITHER WAY. If you're going to use that to say that plenty of people don't care about the circumstances, then it's not worth talking to you.

Also:

Even when presented with brothels as an option, the club-rat still sticks to its true nature - they don't really give a damn about the well-being of any business. The club-rat tries to justify free love when they can't find a prostitute because pimps are "too stubborn" to change and put them on the street, but when they become legitimately purchasable on the street for sexing then its all about the price they're asking and the club-rat just goes on picking up chicks at bars games because prostitutes are "too much" and pimps are "greedy." They can't seem to make up their minds, really.

Same principle, really.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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This is a serious question: If your reasoning is that emulation robs legitimate non-chain video game stores from safe, straight-up profit (which is true), would you argue say that rental stores does similar damage? For every game you rent start to finish, it's a game you don't need to buy unless it has high replay and you plan on replaying it. Then again, a similar case occurs for emulation: there are plenty of people that can't be bothered to go through the hoops of downloading emulators and tracking down ROMs, and continue to buy games even if they'd play them for free if given the chance. 1 or 2 copies at a rental store can provide playthroughs to an indefinite number of people, with the only limitation being time.

Rental outlets often have had to pay higher prices for movies and games in order to rent them out. This is explicitly to satisfy studios and game companies by giving them garunteed sales on the software through that outlet. More recently, services like Redbox, Netflicks or Gamefly will leave a window of opportunity to purchase what you've rented as well.

Making physical rentals practical and profitable for developers in a more natu5al way is the same problems we see with DD right now - there's just so much red tape to wade through. So they just charge the rental outlets above retail price in hopes of making what revenue they can.

You can rent movies on PSN, but its actually cheaper to go with Netflix through your 360. Plus the subscription revenue is a much easier way of allocating royalties to studios than physically renting things since those transactions are much easier to track. PSN's system is silly and more costly, so few people actually use it.

They're looking to rent out games on PSN soon as well, most likely using the same model of failure they're using for movies now. Sony, as always, just doesn't get it because they don't want the Netflix/GameFly model, which is actually fairly reasonable and beneficial to all.

Think about it, all those subscription fees Netflix has probably more than covers the royalties Netflix has to pay out to studios, I'd imagine this is much the same case for GameFly. Its not much different from the insane revenue you can generate from an MMORPG. With 500,000 supposed accounts in FFXI, you're looking at over five million a month as it is, I can only imagine Netflix is enjoying a much more grand success, though if you're pulling in millions a month on that level of subscription, I guess anything is really successful.

So it blows my mind that companies like Comcast and Time Warner are trying to invent ways to stifle these content providers with their insipid bandwidth caps when they could be using the same model their competition is for movies and other programming. They could lower high-speed internet costs and put up similar services as an option to their bloated and excessive cable/communications packages. Much like the music industry was resistant to MP3, the likes of Time Warner just can't accept that technology and consumers have found a better way.

When they don't take the opportunity when its there, the likes of Apple or Netflix comes in and trounces them.

I don't particularly have a problem with Sony's sale model for downloadable games, but I think its SCEA's fucktarded approval process that slows it all down. For all the hoops they probably have to jump through to get permission to put them up and get royalties out to devs, they're probably still sitting on a fuck-ton of games they probably could be releasing.

But its SCEA, they have this retarded concept of putting certain games in certain windows as to not disrupt their pristine vision of what should come out every month. We could have had FFVII a long time ago, most likely, along with countless other games. I'd imagine they've already put FFVIII through the paces, but no, they'll just sit on it.

I mean, after all, we don't want to compete with the overwhelming line up of PS3 and PSP RPGs this fall, now do we? White Knight Chronicles, Persona and ...? Oh, right, Nintendo DS got all the others. So let's get cracking on some PSN releases, hm?

Nintendo's download pattern seems to be a few weeks of lame and then a couple of HOLT SHIT weeks follow that at random. PSN its more like several months of lame with one week of HOLY SHIT in between them.

Example: Art studio/sudoku vendor trash on DSi the last few weeks, then HOLY SHIT, Dragon Quest Wars by Intelligent Systems and SE. With Online Play. Then Relfection by Konami just weeks away, a sequel to motherfucking Shantae come November/December, too. DSiWare had a pretty slow start, but damn, they pulls some surprises on you.

PSN's all like, "Here, enjoy Coolboarders 3 and some PSP game you don't care about." Or worse, "Here's a gimped version of Gran Turismo with no career mode for $40" and to go with that "Here's Rock Band Unplugged Lite, Its like the other version, only you can't add tracks to it, enjoy PSPGo adopters!""

Now what IS wrong, is some one charging $5 for an NES game, that you dont even get a physical copy of *cough*..........

What, you want a cartridge to blow into while you're at it? You do know you can just redownload games you bought from Sony or Nintendo if you bought them, right? With that in mind, why the need for a physical copy, you have a back up on a server elsewhere waiting for you. Part of what you're paying there is the convenience of being able to do that.

Also, wouldn't you like actual profit for something you created, regardless of age? Just because something is old doesn't mean the idea lesser in value. The Wizard of Oz is a 70 year old movie, just came out fully remastered on Blu-Ray last week. Is that not worth its asking price, too? It came out well before you were born, so that makes it likr 5 cents, right?

They're not charging the $50 for the NES game, which is what you're acting like, I don't see what behooves you to pay five dollars on something when you'll easily blow more in the drive-thru you didn't need to go to for lunch.

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They're not charging the $50 for the NES game, which is what you're acting like, I don't see what behooves you to pay five dollars on something when you'll easily blow more in the drive-thru you didn't need to go to for lunch.

While we're on the subject... PSPgo came out today. Since it doesn't have a UMD slot and Sony has "No plans" to make it backwards compatible...You'll have to rebuy all of your games, and of course there will probably be some not available yet.

[Kailea]

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I understnad and see why you dont feel emulation is "right" Omgwtfbbqkitten, but I dont see anything wrong iwht it. .....

But I have my limits as well, I do not emulat anything current gen or even last gen. Just my little policy for myself. The only acception is I have a PSX and PS2 emulator on my PC, and I run my games off it from time to time, to see if I can get the thing working right, so when my PSX and PS2 goes out, I still have something to play my games on.

[Malacite]

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doh...... -.- I have the case sitting right here, and I forgot it was made by Sony....

Yup, and it's probably my favorite Sony IP ever. God of War being a close 2nd (my love of RGPs and Dragoons, whatever the iteration, trumps it though ^^)


EDIT: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/tg...95#new_comment


dev interview about VC2. Bastards openly admit right away they had to lower the quality since PSP "can not replicate the canvas style" so they went with the style of the anime, figuring there were fans of it. If only they'd just put off starting this project until the PS3 drop and the sales spike....

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Should you steal things? I think you can answer that for yourself.

Well.. I am black..

[Feba]

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With that in mind, why the need for a physical copy, you have a back up on a server elsewhere waiting for you. Part of what you're paying there is the convenience of being able to do that.

I agree with this, with the one caveat being that people buying NES/SNES games are largely doing so through Nintendo's VC. Yes, you can delete and redownload games as much as you like, HOWEVER the Wii links your shop account to the CONSOLE, and not to a login ID system (like PSN does, and I assume XBLA does). This means that if your console meets a bad end, your games are completely lost unless Nintendo's customer service happens to be nice enough to find your account and transfer all of those credits to a new system.