Possible leaked Trico footage.

[Feba]

YouTube - Project Trico HD - PlayStation LifeStyle

Normally I wouldn't post pure rumours and speculation, but Ico 3.

A Boy and His Colossus much, though? Looks like it could be very, very awesome.

Also, I still haven't actually managed to get my hands on Ico, anyone know where I could get a copy for the less than the price of a kidney?




...actually, TGM, I think you have copies of Ico, right? Sooooooooooooo... was that a new kidney you needed?

[Armando]

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Man, that knight dude's probably dead now and he didn't do jack shit. That's so sad.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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A boy and his giant, feathered wolf?

I really don't understand nowthey keep considering these as sequels to Ico when they seem to have so little in common as games. Hopefully this time they add some Ico elements, considering Colossus was completely devoid of them.

[Balfree]

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I really don't understand nowthey keep considering these as sequels to Ico when they seem to have so little in common as games. Hopefully this time they add some Ico elements, considering Colossus was completely devoid of them.

Kinda like final fantasy no?

Is it me or do the elements look out of place on pretty much everything in this video? The boy, the beast and the setting dont look like they were made by the same artists.

[Feba]

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that's about the one thing that gets me about this video; it looks like it could've been done by any average animator with a bunch of free time on their hands. The boy especially looks like a PS2 model. Possible it's just an early build, but still.

[Lmnop]

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And he looks slightly chibi, besides.

Interesting concept: "this time, the colossus is on your side!"

[Vyuru]

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Very curious to see what goes on with this.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Kinda like final fantasy no?

Is it me or do the elements look out of place on pretty much everything in this video? The boy, the beast and the setting dont look like they were made by the same artists.

Not like at all. Final Fantasy games share things, its the story and world that's separate from other installments. That's even something that's changing, as we've revisited Invalice at a point in its history that differs from the Tactics games, but there is indeed a continuity between FFXII, FFXI:RW. FFT. Vagrant Story, FFTA and FFTA2. The FFTA games are in the present day, but visit periods before and after FFXII.

They dub it "Project Trico" now and everyone starts calling it that. Even relating it to Ico is bound to lead to disappointment, as that's exactly what dubbing Shadow of the Colossus did for people when it was called "Ico 2" - it wasn't anything remotely similar to Ico, graphic style aside.

I liked Ico because it bore that sense of isolation and exploration that few other titles have had these days. It was a throwback to games like Metroid, Zelda, Flashback and classic Prince of Persia. You versus the environment - not simply an action title. Shadow of the Colossus was made to cater to the action-minded mainstream gamer much more than Ico was, which led some hardcore gamers to feel cheated of the game they were hoping for.

I think Team Ico is a team Sony can afford to have around to cater to the hardcore, they obviously give them lengthier production times than many of thier other developers. I mean, that's what Nintendo does with Intelligent Systems for everything except Paper Mario - they are tasked with making hardcore gamers stuff. Retro Studios, too. Their lack of appearances on Wii is part of why the hardcore gamers question Nintendo's loyalties - at some point you have to include them or you end up alienating them.

I know the terms "hardcore" and "casual" get tossed around wrecklessly these days - mostly because everyone wants to feel like a hardcore gamers - some people think a hardcore game is a action-driven game that appeals to grown-ups. I don't agree with that, those are just action games with adult themes, doesn't mean it goes deeper than something like Pokemon, because there are a lot of games that don't go that in-depth at all.

A hardcore game is what I call a "gamer's game" - stuff like Final Fantasy can straddle the gap between the two audiences and has ever since FFVII - the main quests are fairly simple stuff, but there's a hardcore side to all of them in the side-quests, where the biggest challenges lie.

Its actually a path I wish more designers would follow. A company like a Bethesda knows thier hardcore PC fans will put up with thier shit and they're slow to address issues brought up on the console side even now. The Fallout 3 updates are practically unacceptable quality considering you have to pay for the expansions they release. I hear they're cooking up something for the Wii - I hope Nintendo's QA rakes them over the coals because MS and Sony sure haven't.

So as you can see even the "hardcore" games and gamers can go wrong.

I just felt left behind on Shadow of the Colossus, it was hyped as a successor to a game I loved and it wasn't that at all.

[Lmnop]

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*Ivalice

I didn't think the Ico team ever outright said Shadow of the Colossus would be a sequel or really, have anything to do with it. I think it's very much like the Chrono Trigger <> Cross connection and how 95% of the people who say CC is horrible say so because they're CT fans and are trying to measure it up to its older brother. Unfair to CC, unfair to Shadow of the Colossus (though in this instance, it's not "what a terrible sequel", it's "how is that a sequel?" but you get my drift).

Keep the focus on the ethereal art style, the almost wordless storytelling, the zero-english speech, and the story of something small with lots to overcome. That makes the series.

Also, re: hardcore gamers
I think there's a slight fault in your (well, the video game industry's) logic. Namely, I'm looking at that "grueling sidequest" part of the game that can actually be ~80% of it. Game developers continue to recycle the same time sinks over and over again and apparently people still like it. But for me? I'd like to see a classic FF-style game that has very little in the way of encouraging arduous stat-maxing, Knights of the Round materia mastering, torturous Queen of Cards quests, monster capturing (OF EVERY FUCKING MOB IN THE GAME), and any other activity we've all done in RPGs because we wanted to say "I did that", not because it resembled fun.

[Armando]

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They dub it "Project Trico" now and everyone starts calling it that. Even relating it to Ico is bound to lead to disappointment, as that's exactly what dubbing Shadow of the Colossus did for people when it was called "Ico 2" - it wasn't anything remotely similar to Ico, graphic style aside.
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I just felt left behind on Shadow of the Colossus, it was hyped as a successor to a game I loved and it wasn't that at all.

hi2u Final Fantasy Tactics Advance >_> Sharing the Tactics name is probably the most unfortunate thing that ever happened to that game.

[Vyuru]

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Shadow of the Colossus was made to cater to the action-minded mainstream gamer much more than Ico was

I get what you're saying with the above, but I always felt that SoC was more than some action game. The room for exploration and just checking things out is immense. And that's ok with me. I love games that give me a large degree of freedom to choose where to go like Ico, SoC, Draken, and a few others. Sure you may have to progress the story through doing XYZ, but you got an entire world to explore before you do XYZ if you want to. Too I love how immense the worlds of Ico and SoC are.

I just felt left behind on Shadow of the Colossus, it was hyped as a successor to a game I loved and it wasn't that at all.

Wasn't it hyped as the prequel to Ico?

I think it's very much like the Chrono Trigger <> Cross connection and how 95% of the people who say CC is horrible say so because they're CT fans and are trying to measure it up to its older brother. Unfair to CC, unfair to Shadow of the Colossus (though in this instance, it's not "what a terrible sequel", it's "how is that a sequel?" but you get my drift).

I do wonder about this. Not to say that anyone who doesn't adore SoC is some Ico crazed fan, but still I wonder based on conversations with friends and what I've heard elsewhere.

One thing that comes to mind, just like how some of us like how open the story is of Ico and SoC to interpretation, I like that the link between the two games is as open to interpretation. Much as I would LOVE to be able to sit down with the guy who did these and hear his explanation as to the backstory and why he did things a particular way, I think I like it equally well with the connection between the two being somewhat ambiguous.

[Feba]

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BBQ, I understand where you're coming from, but frankly I think that SoC was more of a puzzle game than an action game (sort of like Metroid), and that copying Ico would be the worst thing they could do. If we want to love the exploration, adventure, and awe that the Ico series provides us, they can't put out the same thing over and over again. Look at the Super Mario series for an example; sure, you can improve on what you've done, and you can expand it, but with the exception of a few very major things (3D, SMG's gravity physics), it's very hard to amaze anyone now.

[Ziero]

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A boy and his giant, feathered wolf?

I really don't understand nowthey keep considering these as sequels to Ico when they seem to have so little in common as games. Hopefully this time they add some Ico elements, considering Colossus was completely devoid of them.

Shadows of the Colossus is a loose prequel to Ico. But even then, one of the things that makes this developer so popular, even though it has only two games, is because they're not the same two games. However, if you need to have "similarities" to consider the games related for some reason, they both take place in a mystical, lost world, they both feature kids with horns and they both involve shadowy figures as antagonists. But the games were intentionally left open to interpretation so the player could make up their own minds.

They dub it "Project Trico" now and everyone starts calling it that. Even relating it to Ico is bound to lead to disappointment, as that's exactly what dubbing Shadow of the Colossus did for people when it was called "Ico 2" - it wasn't anything remotely similar to Ico, graphic style aside.

I liked Ico because it bore that sense of isolation and exploration that few other titles have had these days. It was a throwback to games like Metroid, Zelda, Flashback and classic Prince of Persia. You versus the environment - not simply an action title. Shadow of the Colossus was made to cater to the action-minded mainstream gamer much more than Ico was, which led some hardcore gamers to feel cheated of the game they were hoping for.

The project was dubbed "Nico" (Next Ico) because the developer's name is Team ICO and SotC was going to be their second game. Much like the third game is called Trico...because it's Team ICO's third game. And I don't think all that many Ico fans were "disappointed" by SotC, infact most people seemed to hail it as one of the greatest games ever made. If you liked Ico because of the feeling of "isolation" then why not SotC for doing it to an even greater extreme. It's literally nothing but you, your horse, and an open, free to explore valley full of giants. And it is far, far from "catering" to anyone but fans of that style of gameplay, let alone the "action-minded mainstream gamer". Shadows was a puzzle game where the puzzles fought back, and nothing even remotely close to a mainstream action game.

Wasn't it hyped as the prequel to Ico?

It wasn't hyped as anything aside from being the second game by the people who made Ico. Hell, for a while SotC wasn't even thought of as being related to Ico in any way. That is until people realized the kid with horns connection while the head dev confirmed it was set years before Ico. While the original tech demo used recycled designs, it was never intended to be a sequel in any way.

Which is also the reason why the new game's video looks so unpolished, because it's a year old tech demo. It was shown at E3 behind closed doors and is just now being leaked to the public. It's not even close to a finished project, it's just a teaser to what is coming from Team ICO.

[Pai Pai Master]

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This is test footage from over a year ago; don't expect to the game to look entirely like this.

Seems like, technically, the focus of the demo was the creature technology and animation.

Wonder if this might bridge the gap between the first two games.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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The project was dubbed "Nico" (Next Ico) because the developer's name is Team ICO and SotC was going to be their second game. Much like the third game is called Trico...because it's Team ICO's third game. And I don't think all that many Ico fans were "disappointed" by SotC, infact most people seemed to hail it as one of the greatest games ever made. If you liked Ico because of the feeling of "isolation" then why not SotC for doing it to an even greater extreme. It's literally nothing but you, your horse, and an open, free to explore valley full of giants. And it is far, far from "catering" to anyone but fans of that style of gameplay, let alone the "action-minded mainstream gamer". Shadows was a puzzle game where the puzzles fought back, and nothing even remotely close to a mainstream action game.

Whatever the rationale for initially dubbing the games what they did, it was still misleading.

SotC catered directly to the mainstream. It was a mainstream success, rave reviews all around and got GH status within a year of release. That all flies in the face of your argument. It also contained a bit more violence than Ico - which the developer put in there to sate people that wanted more action that Ico had.

I'm not saying SotC was a bad game, I'm saying it was an incredibly disappointing follow-up to Ico. Ico and Yorda escape their captivity, share a watermelon and apparently thats the end for them? Dispite the silence of the game itself, its left a lot of questions about Ico and Yorda unanswered.

You have a kid who was banished from his villiage and this girl who's never been in the outside world before. Both of them were supposed to be this sacrifice that ensured the continued existence existence of the Dark Queen that inhabited that castle. They kill here and now what?

Ico can't exactly go home, they see him as a curse. Yorda has these magical abilities, but no real knowledge of the world. This kind of stuff just begs for some answers.

The first have Ico facing off with these giants in the Nico vids, so you think he's in it. Then they replace him with some other guy, a sleeping maiden and a horse. So no Ico or Yorda here and no real connection to their world. It looks like a similar world, but we're given nothing to connect it to the other game.