By the way, Pokemon HeartGold and SoulSilver Remakes Confirmed

[Tickmeoff]

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Someone on 4chan was giving out hacked Magikarps dubbed "Ragekarp" for a while after Platinum was released.

They were all shiny level 1 Magikarp holding Everstones so they wouldn't evolve, and they were hacked to have Rage, Explosion and Splash.

[Feba]

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I've been meaning to get back into the series-- at least give it a shot, I haven't played since Yellow. Pretty much just waiting for Platinum to drop in price. I would say this makes HG/SS a good thing, but then I haven't seen D/P drop anywhere.

[Yellow Mage]

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The Gold/Silver installments were by far the ones I liked the most. Only reason I don't play far into the newer ones is because they don't hold up well to Gold/Silver.

This. This indeed.

After talking quite a bit with Armando on the subject, I have decided that if I ever wanted to get in to the competitive side of the series, I'd just have him hack me up a team and trade it to me through the global trade thing. That is, of course, assuming I ever actually progress far enough in the story for the things. So, yeah, that needs to get done first, just as soon as my addiction to FFXI dies down a bit and my passion for Pokémon is rekindled ( fire-type, even though it sucks, apparently).

Getting out the strategy guides I have for those (yes, I have strategy guides for every single game from Ruby/Sapphire, and I made it a point that they were all from Nintendo Power; shame that they stopped making guides, btw), I can see that I have made it far enough to have . . .

Gotten the Pokédex in Pearl
Haven't even started Colosseum yet (I opened it, and my first thought was "why haven't I checked off anyth . . . oh" )
Received HM01 Cut in Ruby/Sapphire (and am apparently preparing to face the first Gym Leader)
Met and beat each of the Hexagon Brothers in XD (side note - this was the first time I have ever actually confused a male protagonist for a female . . . I bought it anyway)
And "snagged the running shoes" right after I "pummeled Brock" in LeafGreen.

So, yeah . . . quite a ways to go, and not enough time or dedication to do so with any time soon. If I really rush through it now, I might just amass an army of Pokémon that would absolutely suck in any competitive environment, but helped me make it through each of the games anyway, all on whichever game is coming after HG/SS.

I could geek out some more on it, but I think I've done enough, and aside, my last Anniversary Ring charge isn't going to burn itself, ya know.

[WishMaster3K]

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Armando, What about the fact that Arcanine has one of the highest stat spread outside of Arceus?!?!

His moveset depressed me. Crunch, Dragon Pulse, Flamethrower and Extremespeed. I'm only running him on 302 ATK, 286 SpAtk and 220 Speed. Both Defenses at 193.

But the Cool-Factor of Arcanine is unstoppable.

Agreed though, because Fire Types blow, and I don't read enough competitive boards. I'm still trying to make my Nidoking not suck, and my Tyranitar still doesn't seem to be as good as I'd like.

I wish I could get Gallade to be above 250 speed, cause he'd quickly become my favorite pokemon.

My Umbreon is mostly unstoppable, except by Fighting types. 322HP, 290Def, 329SpDef, Toxic.Moonlight/Substitute/Faint Attack. I used to use Mean Look instead of Substitute, but I wanted Umbreon to last more than 2 pokemon. Toxic + Mean Look + Umbreon is overpowered, IF Toxic hits.

I also have an affinity for my Leafeon, which was a pleasant surprise for Atk/Def. But I could talk all day about my Eevee Squad, and how Jolteon's speed is Uber, but his moveset sucks; Espeon has over 300 Speed and Special Attack, but only has 1 Psychic move of merit; and Flareon is another Fire-Type with abnormally high attack (at least his SpDef is over 250, but with sub 175 Speed, he's easily Earthquake bait).

I'm still on the fence about what to do with my Infernape (290 atk, 245 spatk, 301 spd) with Grass Knot/Brick Break/Shadow Claw/Flamethrower.

For the most part, I only really like running Pokemon that are "Cool".

You'll never see me throw out a Shuckle.

[Armando]

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I'll give you a hint: do UU (Underused) battles. The best way to find a use for Pokemon that are frankly underwhelming is to fight other underwhelming Pokemon. I have a Choice Specs Nidoking for breaking walls. Arcanine would surely find a place there too. You think Arcanine's moveset is depressing? Try Pidgeot. I mean, goddamn.

But I could talk all day about my Eevee Squad, and how Jolteon's speed is Uber, but his moveset sucks;

Jolty can do a couple of things. I run a Thunderbolt/Baton Pass/Substitute/Wish Jolteon that comes in, Wishes while it scares the opponent away, then passes the wish along. I actually managed to SubSeed stall with him (I have a defensive Shaymin with Leech Seed in my team.) There's a variation that specializes in passing Substitutes - Thunderbolt, Yawn, Substitute, Baton Pass. If they switch and you Yawn, you're guaranteed to pass a Sub this turn or the next. There's also a variation with Fake Tears (Sp.Down 2 stages aka x0.5) that Fake Tears on the switch to encourage further switching (rack up that entry hazard damage!)

In general it seems to me like you just need a good dose of Smogon University.
Jolteon
Arcanine
Nidoking
Gallade
Infernape
Leafeon
Umbreon
Espeon

Smogon and Serebii.net are the only two sites you need really. I don't know how familiar you are with the finer details and jargon of competitive battling, but Smogon has plenty of articles. If anything, you could always hit me up on AIM and/or MSN. I'd be happy to hack you some new Pokemon. If you send me a Pokemon beforehand I can even figure out your Trainer ID and Secret ID and make you the Original Trainer.

[WishMaster3K]

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I used to love Smogon, then all of a sudden, I couldn't find where they had the damn list of all the pokemon and their recommended moves!

I shall look again, and ty for the input.

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Ah I see, each pkmn has it's own page. When I used to go, it was a forum thread.

[Armando]

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Yeah, they revamped the site.

P.S. I love the new moves Platinum added. Scizor is totally obscene now thanks to getting Bullet Punch (Steel type Quick Attack...STAB'd....Technician'd for 90 power.) I'm also very much enjoying using Choice Scarf Jirachi with Iron Head for that delicious/obnoxious flinch hax.

I have a half-assed UU team done if you ever wanna give it a go. I also have my 6 Clefable team - but I must warn you, I've given my friends a run for their money with it.

[WishMaster3K]

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I need a good whoopin to reinvigorate the need to train some pkmans. Sending you a PM.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Man... Farfetch'd still doesn't have an evolution?



This makes me a sad panda.

[Yellow Mage]

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Huh, Scizor is obscene now? It seemed like only yesterday that you were lamenting to me how evolving a Scyther in to one was more of a downgrade than anything.

Also off-topic, but I'm glad to see once more WM3k's sig of epicness.

[Armando]

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Yeah Farfetch'd is still shitty and evolutionless. But hey, look at it this way, there are plenty of fully evolved Pokemon that still suck pretty hardcore. The reworking of what's considered Physical/Special, and the oodles of new evolutions that D/P introduced has really opened up the game to a lot more variety though. Lots of old Pokemon became good (e.g. Gyarados, Azumarill) while others got some pretty fearsome evolutions (Porygon-Z, Electivire, Togekiss, Tangrowth, Magnezone to name a few.) Between that and the new items, it's gotten to a point that you can't reliably deal with everything.

One of the best things that's happened as a result of that is that the Skarmory+Blissey combination is no longer unstoppable. Both Pokemon are still very powerful individually and paired up, but with new moves and new offensive items, it's now possible to make "mixed wall breakers" - Pokemon that can hit hard from both the physical and special side. The epitome of this is Infernape, which can Fire Blast Skarmories and Close Combat Blisseys, but there are others such as Lickilicky and Lucario. However, there are new tanks (Cresselia, Dusknoir, Bronzong) to balance out the increase in offense.

And yeah Scizor is scary. That son of a gun has ludicrous Attack power. With a 90 power priority move, access to U-Turn (strike enemy, switch out), Pursuit (Dark type, power double if enemy tries to switch out) and Swords Dance, he's just ridiculous now. He can come in on any of the many attacks he resists thanks to being Steel type and then either Pursuit the opponent if it's a Psychic type, or Swords Dance or U-Turn other things that are likely to switch. U-Turn is useful to scout out the opponent's team - it makes you switch out, but since it's an actual move, if the opponent switches out, he switches first (as opposed to the both of you switching simultaneously.) That means you get to switch in response to whatever he throws out.

P.S. I'm not gonna go easy on you next time Rena. I've got an Azumarill with your name on it. Well, it's got my name on it. Its fists have your name on it though.

[WishMaster3K]

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No probs, Armando. I'm gonna be training this weekend. I know from EV training that Azumarill has insane HP. Oh great, he's a water type *sigh*.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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From what I'm reading of your passion for Pokemon, I can very much say that the SMT games are ones you'll dig. You may want to sample the free online MMO to get a feel, but that's actually action-based more like the PS2 Devil Summoner games. SMT Nocturne most likely has the depth you'd most appreciate from the single player point of view and the customization.

I don't know if Devil Survivor will but multiplayer to any extent, but I have seen communication signals in the screenshots, though that could be the COMP device in the game with that. Silly developers trying to be clever and make DS feel like a mobile device...

... oh wait.

I suppose I'll be grabbing a copy of Platinum soon. I want to own someones face with cute critters again.

Though I would prefer to use my Lilim from Devil Summoner 2 >.>/ She reads minds, finds useful things, heals me and casts lots of wind magic. Kinda surprise how many things are weak to wind in this game. Hell, she doesn't even have to fight to get full EXP from a fight. I trained her well.

Its probably not worksafe to click that link, btw.

[Armando]

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Oh great, he's a water type *sigh*.

Dude, what the hell. Water type is great. It's one of only 3 types that resist Steel (the other two being Electric and Fire...yeeeeeah) and can hit Steel back for at least neutral damage. Plus Grass types, their main predators, aren't very balanced - there's 7 types that resist Grass attacks. If you don't have stuff to deal with water types your team has issues.

@BBQ: Guess I'll be getting a SMT game soon. My birthday is right around the corner so I should have a couple of $20 bills coming my way from random relatives. But FFT War of the Lions comes first >_> But honestly I enjoy any game with a wide degree of customization and strategy. I'm playing through Xenogears right now and these battles are making me cry from how monotonous they are, at least early game. It could be a lot worse though, and I promised a friend I'd beat it, because I'm sure the general concensus is that it's a great game, and I do enjoy the artwork, so...

P.S. Lilims are hot.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Like I told Feba, Persona 3 and 4 are easy enough to come by. Its the other installments of the franchise you'll have to hunt for. I do highly suggest Persona 4 as a primer for the rest of the series, since it was the installment that made learning the terminology of the franchise a whole lot easier, but SMT Nocturne is easily the most hardcore of the PS2 installments of the series. Plus they let you recruit Dante as your pokedemon!

You can't do any fusion with him, but then, I don't think Dante would agree to that anyway. I kinda consider his appearance in that game as a substitute for DMC2.

I'm on the fence now, was gonna get Avalon Code for DS today, now I'm leaning toward Pokemon Platinum.