More of SE's Bullshit (FF 13 Demo)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I got the 360 because there were like, 2 or 3 games I really wanted and a lot of stuff that was previously going to be multi went exclusive. My point is just about the morality of them siding with 1 group over another when you're supposed to be sharing a product with both audiences.

Good business sense is immoral now? SE has learned that a non-FF title will fare much better on other consoles in American and EU territories than it will on a Playstation console in the same territories. Sony fans are as ignorant about SE's other games as Nintendo fans are ignorant to the existence of non-Nintendo games on the Wii.

All western Sony fans care about from SE is Final Fantasy and they've proven it over and over. You think Kingdom Hearts would have made it this far on Sora and some Disney characters? No, its because Final Fantasy has a part in carrying the franchise.

The core of it probably still lies with the much lower sales rate of the PS3 vs the 360 but I blame whatever absolute moron (being generous here too...) decided that not paying Rockstar the $50 million they wanted to keep GTA 4 PS3-exclusive was a good idea. Yes, let's not maintain a monopoly on the best selling video game series that has been proven to sell consoles.

Sony probably knew that no amount of money would buy GTA's exclusivity now. They want to pretend that exclusives aren't important, but its thier failure to secure other exclusives that's hurting them now. But when you make a console that's more expensive to develop for than either of your competitiors and you support a handheld to boot, devs are going to take the approach that makes them the most money.

I'm also just mad at SE in general.

- They've just about destroyed one of my most treasured series (Seiken Densetsu; they're even considering abandoning the franchise altogether)

Blame the creator of the series, really, he's the one that has made all the calls for the radical shifts in the series. But then, the Mana series was never really that good to start with. C'mon - Secret of Mana or Chrono Trigger: which is really the most cherished here? SE didn't even do much for the latest release of Chrono Trigger because it was a near-perfect game to start with.

- They refused to give up the rights to Xenogears even though they publicly stated that they have no intention of using the license ever again for any new titles (hence the way Xenosaga turned out)

That's thier right. The way Xenosaga ended up actually has more to do with trying to fix what wasn't broken to start with. Not to mention the creator left in a fit with Monolith and Namco just like they left in a fit with SE.

- Absolutely no word on what's happening with the PS3 version of The Last Remnant (likely cancelled)

Its on 360, you have a 360. You probably could also play it on PC, as its out on Steam. Putting it on Steam was probably the best way to build some street cred for this game, seeing as it would only tank on PS3 since its not a FF game.

- FF7 released on PSN but Japan only

Blame SCEA and thier wonky approval process. Hell blame Sony, MS and Nintendo for nickel-and-diming out older content to us. I don't see why any of them hold back so much of it. Maybe they're afraid it will distract people from the newer downloadable games, but I think those fears are unfounded.

- ACP (nuff said)

Oh yeah, I'm really butthurt about the $10 I spent here. No, I'm more concerned with the fact that newer content is accessable to more players, but the RoZ endgame content remains as decrepit as ever, despite minor improvements here and there.

Its not about the drop rates for me, its about the massive time expenditures. Its about having no real ability to ensure your Dynamis runs will happen. Its about pissing away up to three hours of my in-game time camping an HNM for nothing I need when I could be getting other things accomplished. This content simply needs to get with the times or they need to put some of the rewards in more contemporary content. Relic could easily be retconned into WotG endgame - people from the future wearing relic have done campaign. Hey, worked for ToA and WotG gear in Dynamis! Like we couldn't find some lying around a present day version of Grauberg.

And the sad thing? I used to look at Sky as the major grind. Its much more fun than Dynamis or Kings because there's actually progress. Things get done. Its sad that leaders even have to withold where Dynamis is happening to LSes, but I understand why they do it - people won't show up if they say its not northlands.

I would love to do Dynamis - if i didn't hate it so much. I'm not alone in that sentiment, either.

[Tickmeoff]

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The demo is pretty shit anyway, you are really not missing much by just watching someone play through it on youtube.

[Murphie]

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Wait, is Malacite seriously complaining about a game not being on one of the consoles he owns, even though it is totally on one of the other consoles he owns?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Wait, is Malacite seriously complaining about a game not being on one of the consoles he owns, even though it is totally on one of the other consoles he owns?

That's about the size of it.

SE "made" him buy a 360. Even though he hates them.

ZOMG if only SE would stay loyal to Sony.

I can only wonder what life will be like for Mal when he starts dealing with real problems.

[Raydeus]

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I just hope SE includes the japanese voices in all their future PS3 games so I don't have to wrestle kanjis on japanese versions. But I've done pretty decently so far with games like Crisis Core and Dissidia so it shouldn't be much of a problem if they dont.




The demo is pretty good, and the packing is pretty neat too. But if thinking about it as a piece of crap can appease some souls then it's all good.

[Feba]

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I can only wonder what life will be like for Mal when he starts dealing with real problems.

Hey, come on now. Plenty of people with problems are still idiots.

[Taskmage]

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Plenty of people with problems are still idiots

^^/

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But then, the Mana series was never really that good to start with. C'mon - Secret of Mana or Chrono Trigger: which is really the most cherished here?

Hey now. I don't think it's really fair to put those games head to head and call that evidence of one not being good. CT was a masterpiece to be sure, but I have plenty of great memories playing SoM on the multitap with some friends back in the day and I'm sharing that again with my wife and kid on the Wii now. Seiken 1 on was my favorite game boy game ever and though I haven't played Seiken 3 it's a cult classic on the emulator. I haven't enjoyed any game in the series since then, nor am I going to get up in arms about it, but I'll defend the place in time when the series was genuinely good.

[Armando]

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But then, the Mana series was never really that good to start with. C'mon - Secret of Mana or Chrono Trigger: which is really the most cherished here?

Yeah, I have to disagree with this argument. I mean, look at FF7. BEST RPG OF ALL TIMES AMIRITE?

Not that it discredits Chrono Trigger or anything but just because a certain RPG was a big commercial success and became totally mainstream it doesn't mean some other obscure game is worse. The plot was horribly basic, but SoM had good music and visuals (beat the shit out of FF4-6) and the idea of a 3-player RPG with some degree of character customization was very innovative and fun. Sure, the battle system needed some polish but then again so did Chrono Trigger's (being able to move your characters periodically, and giving enemies more attacks with certain areas of effect as opposed to one-or-all would've added a fair amount of depth.) Either way Secret of Mana's system beats the shit out of the rudimentary ATB systems on FF4-6 (which were all bigger commercial successes.) Standard ATB boss battle procedure: 1) Find boss weakness. 2) Spam strongest attack that exploits that weakness while trying not to die.

Look at Tales of Phantasia too. I'll take that game over FF4 and 5 any day. Only reason I'm so attached to 6 is because the plot/characters were so good and I grew up with it.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Not that it discredits Chrono Trigger or anything but just because a certain RPG was a big commercial success and became totally mainstream it doesn't mean some other obscure game is worse.

Tell it to the FF/Sony loyalists. Everything - and I mean everything - has to be put under the microscope of FFVII to see if it meets their approval. It never does. Some of them never played another RPG outside of it.

At any rate, my other point still stands with Mana - the creater ruined it with his lack of focus. Too many different styles, too many broad leaps in plot and also recent installments aside, too much time in between installments.

Pretty much the same story with Compilation of FFVII. Thankfully Invalice Alliance hasn't suffered the same fate.

[TheGrandMom]

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I mean, look at FF7. BEST RPG OF ALL TIMES AMIRITE?

OMG, I thought you were serious for a second. I would have had to come to your house and teach you right! (Seriously you made me gasp! LOL)

Different generations see things differently. Something that was precious to you (FFVII /puke) will seem like the greatest thing ever. It's called nostalgia. It doesn't mean that it truly is, when you weigh the facts but that emotional side gets in there and mucks things up.

SoM is very precious to me. It was a game I shared with my son and daughter via multitap. It took us forever to play it because my daughter isn't the best at games but it made for some really fun times with all her screw ups. LOL Games gave me a way to really talk with my kids and be a "friend" at times. SoM was a big part of that, so its very precious to me.

[dirtyclown]

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Secret of Mana made me feel cheated after playing it and then going back to turn based games.

[Vyuru]

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No one buys Front Mission 4

>.>

I did, plotwise FM3 was better, actually FM3 was just better all around save for graphics. But FM4 was still fairly fun.

FFVII /puke

I feel like the outcast on the gaming boards, liking all the ones no one else likes

It doesn't mean that it truly is, when you weigh the facts but that emotional side gets in there and mucks things up.

I'd suspect that facts are only facts on a more person by person basis. For instance if you don't like puzzle or thinking games, you probably won't like Ico for instance, and possibly be inclined to call it a bad game. Despite me sitting there being able to list all the facts that prove that it's one of the best games EVER!!!!!


And now more on topic...

Grr, arg, garrr! SE bad!!!

Although to be honest, I can see being unhappy with the way they've handled this, but also I wouldn't really be caring if I owned a PS3 and an Xbox360. There has been a whole host of exclusive content for certain platforms, done by a number of companies. While I figure you're just picking on SE since they were the ones to do it most recently, just wanted to point that out.

[Malacite]

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SE didn't make me get a 360. I would have eventually gotten 1 anyway because I freaking love Halo (despite all the inherit BS) and some of the other stuff like Gears etc.

I'm largely complaining about SE publicly saying it's "fair" to screw 1 group over another (in this case, Xbox vs PS3) because it's not. It's the constant bias towards M$ that's really pissing me off, as though Sony doesn't matter. In fact, all would be forgiven if they'd just come out and say "we're sorry about TLR on PS3" and when they say they're going to do a simultaneous release, they god damn well commit to it. Don't feed me pretentious BS about fairness when you're arbitrarily giving the shaft to an entire install base. But then it's a Japanese company so I'm not surprised (no American company would get away with some of the shit SE and Capcom have pulled <_<)

Yes, I'm well aware I'm just fine since I own all 3 but that's not the point; most people only have of the 3, or if they own 2 it's likely a Wii and a 360. I just simply just can not abide by any double standards. It's morally reprehensible to me IMO is only hurting them in the PR department, even if it is good for their sales.

[DakAttack]

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Yes, I'm well aware I'm just fine since I own all 3 but that's not the point; most people only have of the 3, or if they own 2 it's likely a Wii and a 360. I just simply just can not abide by any double standards. It's morally reprehensible to me IMO is only hurting them in the PR department, even if it is good for their sales.

Didn't know a soap box could hold the weight of a somebody riding high horse...

[hexx]

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Meh, SE did what it had to do. Sony has just been plain stupid in a lot of respects. Malacite, relax, count to 10, and take a chill pill. No ranting and raving is gonna change any of it, so why not just save your body the anguish (thereby saving yourself a few days of life in the future) and go enjoy a good game or some time outside?