What Makes FFXI great; or, Rapture Hopes

[Armando]

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If you did the Paladin epic quests in EQI you find out that Freeport actually is evil on every side except the one with the Paladin guild.

Not that I ever played EQII or support it at all, but they didn't really change anything in that regard.

What he said. The head of the Freeport Militia was some ex-Knight of Truth that turned evil and then undead. You gotta kill him for the Paladin epic, which basically makes you an enemy of South and West Freeport ("Your faction standing with the Freeport Militia cannot get any worse") which means the only way to get to North Freeport is through those secret sewers.

4) Merits. These were just brilliant. Being able to increase the abilities of your character without increasing the level cap(and consequently obsoleting all the equipment you worked for?) Sheer brilliance.

Just throwing it out there but EQ1 had merits long before FF11.

I would like to see no gear swapping in the next MMO though. I'm all for having multiple sets of armor, but it would be nice to keep my clothes on while I fight.

[TheGrandMom]

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"bring me 20 rat tails and I'll give you some pants."

lololololol

[Kailea]

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gear swapping would not be bad, if we did not flash like we do.

[hexx]

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What he said. The head of the Freeport Militia was some ex-Knight of Truth that turned evil and then undead. You gotta kill him for the Paladin epic, which basically makes you an enemy of South and West Freeport ("Your faction standing with the Freeport Militia cannot get any worse") which means the only way to get to North Freeport is through those secret sewers.Just throwing it out there but EQ1 had merits long before FF11.

I would like to see no gear swapping in the next MMO though. I'm all for having multiple sets of armor, but it would be nice to keep my clothes on while I fight.

Sorry but I still heavily disagree with this. If you dont like gear swapping, then dont do it, but dont condemn others for doing it if its part of the game mechanic.

[TheGrandMom]

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He's just shy thats why he doesn't like it. lol

[Feba]

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If you dont like gear swapping, then dont do it, but dont condemn others for doing it if its part of the game mechanic.

He didn't say he condemns it in the game. If you play FFXI, ever join a party, and do not swap gear, you are an idiot. However, gear swapping should never have become a mechanic in the first place.

Honestly, I think having stats on armor at all is a bad idea in an MMO. People get so attached to using specific bits for whatever they want, or carrying around extra stuff to look good. I've even heard some MMOs have two equip screens now; one for the equipment that shows up, another for equipment that actually affects your stats. It would be easier to keep armor as PURELY aesthetic; this would also be nice for letting people choose what their characters look like instead of "gaudy mix of whatever works best". Handle stats some other way; merits, skill tree, equipment that doesn't have any model to go with it (minimizes work put into trying to make it look good), etc.

Personally I'd rather attach magical orbs to my character to power them up and have them just WEAR CLOTHING than have pants that inexplicably make me stronger.

[Armando]

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What Feba said. I highly encourage gear swapping because not doing it gimps you, that's just how it is. But it's still stupid.
1) It complicates performing any action, and pretty much forces the player to work almost exclusively with macros.
2) The player ends up having to buy more gear because they can/should use gear for each specific purpose (TP'ing, WS, spells, etc.) This tends to be worse for mages, but even melee can build up quite a ridiculous collection of armor to tote around.
3) Just the idea itself is ridiculous, and beyond most people's sense of suspension of disbelief.

Too late to do much about it in FFXI but since they've got a fresh start now...

[aegina]

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He didn't say he condemns it in the game. If you play FFXI, ever join a party, and do not swap gear, you are an idiot. However, gear swapping should never have become a mechanic in the first place.

Honestly, I think having stats on armor at all is a bad idea in an MMO. People get so attached to using specific bits for whatever they want, or carrying around extra stuff to look good. I've even heard some MMOs have two equip screens now; one for the equipment that shows up, another for equipment that actually affects your stats. It would be easier to keep armor as PURELY aesthetic; this would also be nice for letting people choose what their characters look like instead of "gaudy mix of whatever works best". Handle stats some other way; merits, skill tree, equipment that doesn't have any model to go with it (minimizes work put into trying to make it look good), etc.

Personally I'd rather attach magical orbs to my character to power them up and have them just WEAR CLOTHING than have pants that inexplicably make me stronger.

This.

Let's be honest, you really have no choice whether or not you gear swap anymore. If you don't, you're weighing down the others.

I also agree with letting you choose your character's appearance for purely appearance sake, and powering up based on something other than equipment.

[Raydeus]

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True.

In my case I'd rather go with equipable (only at your Mog House equivalent) stat boost items, with armor/clothing serving a for-looks-only function. And without being overpriced or restricted but rather a way to simply give players the option to customize their character in a SE-fashion way.

The overpricing can go to all the +stat boost items, weapons and others.

[Taskmage]

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While I like the idea of being able to choose your character's appearance, I'd like to say that there is some value in certain items having iconic art. At least, it would be if we were locked in to our gear decisions to some extent and equipped our gear builds for longer than it takes to cast a spell or fire a WS. I guess the best example would be sams. You can look at a samurai's sword and see what his strategy is, whether he's a soboro-sidewinder sam or a hagun sam or w/e.

The ugly mishmash of clashing gear that has the best combination of stats is definitely the worst case scenario though.

[Vyuru]

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I have no problems with stat boosting armor, but what I would really like to see is customizable armor, to a certain extent. Obviously you shouldn't be able to have game breaking armor. But if I wanted to tweak say, a Jaridah Peti model to have the same stats as the Hauby, SH, or something else like that, I would like that option. Even if it means spending alot of gil, merits, or whatever else in order to do it.

Frankly I'm still irked that mithra campaign NPCs get to wear that one Blm body armor and I can't :/ Well, as Drg at anyrate.

Now obviously there'd have to be some limitations, but I'm just saying what I'd like and not going into the details of how to make it work.

[Feba]

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eh, lots of other MMOs have crafting systems that work on beefing up existing equipment. They wind up being even more frustrating and annoying than... FFXI.

I'd rather put that effort into beefing up my character, not a piece of metal that doesn't even make sense (WHY DOES THIS SHIRT MAKE MY SWORD HURT MORE?)

[Raydeus]

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Exactly. I'd rather have some sort of materia that I could equip to make me stronger or fuse with my weapons so they could have added effects instead.

But I'd definitely would like having my char with a single outfit at the time and leave the status/acomplishment features for weapons and titles.

Well except for some very special armor and stuff, but I'd rather if they were rare exceptions.

[ShepardG]

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Tl;dr:
Yeah gear swaping is pretty ridiculus.

Yeah a bunch of funnie bullshit, hey TGM have your Husband read this

You guys have no idea what it's like in a battle.

I know when I'm getting shot at in Afghanistan, I change cloths mid-fire fight, at least 5-6 times. I'll swap out my body armor for a bomb suit, if I'm tanking, or I'll swap my pants for subligar if I'm tactically entering a taliban stronghold.

Sometimes I carry around 7 different types of rifles when ever I rain down death and destruction because some rifles are good for a certain type of destruction, and other rifles are better for othe types of destruction

I have some +Emnity gear also, that says: "Fuck the taliban man"
That draws hate like a muther fucker.

FFXI is very realistic in that aspect.

Post Interupted

*phone rings*

Hello?

*blahblahblahblah*

Roger that, We'll send out a patrol

*hangs up phone*

Well sorry guys, gotta go, Tiamat just spawned in the city of Kandahar, and he hasn't gotten claimed by the Canadians yet, and our Voke Bot isn't working so I'll hollar back at you in a bit.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: What Makes FFXI great; or, Rapture Hopes

Tl;dr:
Yeah gear swaping is pretty ridiculus.

Yeah a bunch of funnie bullshit, hey TGM have your Husband read this

You guys have no idea what it's like in a battle.

I know when I'm getting shot at in Afghanistan, I change cloths mid-fire fight, at least 5-6 times. I'll swap out my body armor for a bomb suit, if I'm tanking, or I'll swap my pants for subligar if I'm tactically entering a taliban stronghold.

Sometimes I carry around 7 different types of rifles when ever I rain down death and destruction because some rifles are good for a certain type of destruction, and other rifles are better for othe types of destruction

I have some +Emnity gear also, that says: "Fuck the taliban man"
That draws hate like a muther fucker.

FFXI is very realistic in that aspect.

Post Interupted

*phone rings*

Hello?

*blahblahblahblah*

Roger that, We'll send out a patrol

*hangs up phone*

Well sorry guys, gotta go, Tiamat just spawned in the city of Kandahar, and he hasn't gotten claimed by the Canadians yet, and our Voke Bot isn't working so I'll hollar back at you in a bit.

OMG....one of the best posts EVER! hahahahahahahahaha

I'll tell hubby to take a look tomorrow......err later today (its 3am and he's snoring like crazy right now. lol)