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  • Re: SE f*** over the western world (yet another reason to hate microsoft!)

    Originally posted by Feba View Post
    also just out of curiosity, how could another OS improve on what UNIX has? It seems to me like with Mac literally becoming UNIX, some of Vista's user control stuff (Primarily UAC, and honestly I don't remember most of what I've read about it, but I remember it striking me as aiming towards a multi-user system), and like you said Linux trying to become a UNIX, it's becoming more popular, not less. Ignoring things like web-based OS, cloud computing, etc.; speaking purely in terms of a desktop OS. Would it require some 'big new thing', or just working out flaws, or is it one of those things where it's flawed, but there's not really any better way to do it?
    Sudo and UAC are not UNIX ideas. Role based access (and MAC) functions were in other, more secure OS's before being bolted on (poorly in many cases i.e. SELinux sucks) to UNIX and Linux.

    OS X's real benefits are not UNIX at all, such as the sortof-Display Postscript used by the Windowing system, then adding DTrace and rumors of ZFS support in 10.6. The things that continue to make OS X user friendly are most definatly not UNIXy in any way. OS X goes out of it's way to hide how the OS actually works. Most people don't care and the OS should work that way.

    UNIX was 'designed' to be a technical OS, and it continues to be designed in that fashion. Honestly, I believe it really has no place as a desktop system for non-technical users.

    UNIX is Multics Lite. This isn't surprising since the first UNIX engineers were also on the Multics dev team before Bell pulled out. They then turned around and quickly reimplimented a minimum of the system to get it running (Legend says they did this to play a game that ran on Multics). The U in UNIX meant single User, as Unix was not a multi-user system. Multics was head and shoulders above UNIX in pretty much every way except price.

    Later VMS came along, and again, was a much better OS. It too however, was expensive.
    OpenVMS vs. UNIX

    A number of the UNIX devs were then pulled together to create a better UNIX. This is known as Plan-9. Again, like UNIX, it is a technical OS.
    Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Plan 9 from Bell Labs

    Unix is pushed into realms where it isn't well designed for (desktops) because of this belief that it is some holy grail of computing with no flaws. This isn't helped by Linux fanboys who believe that Linux and it's loose adherence to UNIX philosophies will take over the world and that it is the one true OS. OS X probably comes closest but then again, as stated, it's strong points are very much not UNIX and it's certification was more a marketing ploy then anything else. OS X also has the benefit of being written by people who are writing an OS to be a desktop for non-technical users instead of hobbyists and professionals that believe their way is the best and refuse to listen to anyone who says otherwise.

    Unix haters handbook
    I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are.

    HTTP Error 418 - I'm A Teapot - The resulting entity body MAY be short and stout.

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