What do you consider "FINAL FANTASY"?

[Balfree]

Its complicated, I'd say all the "main" titles since those are the ones I will run to a store to buy as soon as they come out, unlike the other ones that are oftenly a lower expectation.

I do feel FFXI is very FFish, lets not forget a MMORPG has to have certain elements that make it deviate from what a FF title is true to, but that... doesn't change the way I feel.

I thanked you for that right there. I'm still pining for the day a Vagrant Story sequel (or hell, even a prequel) is announced.

Fappity fap when that happens.

[Illuen]

Re: What do you consider "FINAL FANTASY"?

Y'all are all forgetting the most important installment of the series:

Final Fantasy Mystic Quest.

Fun Fact: FFMQ was my first FF game, and it makes me a sad panda that so many people just laugh at it. It was super easy, and corny with a bad story and horrible writing, but I loved the funky music and it got me into the RPG gameplay.

[Lmnop]

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It actually maintains the continuity faithfully, the departure is that there are female protagonists (which make little boys feel uncomfortable)...

It's the cheesy dialogue and extraneous character movement (very "hi, we're in high school and we can't wait to get high!") that make Final Fantasy: Charlie's Angels so hard to stomach. Still, I love the combat system, I love the job system, I love that Thief and Warrior actually have a plethora of useful abilities. And as far as I can tell (I only watched my sister play. I'm tackling it next), the story is actually pretty good. So while I agree with you that it's definitely a FF title, I don't agree with your reasoning that those of us who are annoyed are just sexist or horny. :D

To be honest I don't consider this a thread its full of fail.

You're exactly right. Forget a new concept for a thread. Let's do Rdm melee thread #261 instead.

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I feel glad that I've tried FFXI. But to any "die hard" FF fanboys, I'd never suggest sticking with the game. Try it. Play 'til you're bored. Don't feel bad about moving on.

Square has always done a good job -- especially with the numbered FF titles -- of somehow giving their brand of "fantasy" a completely different flavor than the more European equivalents. Everything from D&D to Everquest to Diablo (or anything Blizzard). As long as they keep that flavor difference up, I'll continue to call it Final Fantasy. Oh, and I classify it "not worth playing" if it's obviously a game based on what would be a mini-game in a real FF title. This would be the Chocobo games, Ergheiz (even though I own it), and yes -- I'll classify Dissidea as such.

Also, my heart flutters every time anyone mentions even a wee bit of Vagrant Story's plot. I wish more people would play it so they'd realize how amazing it is so that S-E would remake it (or provide us a sequel).

[Vyuru]

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I'd say so long as it feels like a FF game, so generally speaking a job system, or characters who are a classic FF job so see FFs 7/8/9/etc for that kind of thing, and CHOCOBOS!!!!!!

So yes, the FFT line of games would fall under the FF category.

I'd consider games like Ergheiz to be a seperate game, it doesn't really fit into the FF universe. For me, it's almost like asking if Soul Caliber is in the Zelda series because you get to play as Link in one of the titles.

And as for Vagrant Story, I hear it's good, but I never really got a chance to play it much. It seemed interesting though. However I never was sure if the tan patchs on Ashley's behind were just tan colored cloth or holes in his pants. Which led to some "Special Attack: Moonflash" jokes on my part.

[Balfree]

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I am now loading up vagrant story on my emulator for the millionenth time, I love this game so much.

[Lmnop]

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I'd say so long as it feels like a FF game, so generally speaking a job system, or characters who are a classic FF job so see FFs 7/8/9/etc for that kind of thing, and CHOCOBOS!!!!!!

So yes, the FFT line of games would fall under the FF category.

I'd consider games like Ergheiz to be a seperate game, it doesn't really fit into the FF universe. For me, it's almost like asking if Soul Caliber is in the Zelda series because you get to play as Link in one of the titles.

And as for Vagrant Story, I hear it's good, but I never really got a chance to play it much. It seemed interesting though. However I never was sure if the tan patchs on Ashley's behind were just tan colored cloth or holes in his pants. Which led to some "Special Attack: Moonflash" jokes on my part.

I like your Soul Caliber analogy. Dissidea holds a little more water since it's strictly FF characters... but I still can't bring myself to see it as more than an extended mini-game. It's about as in-depth as blitzball.

Also, we made many a joke about Ashley's behind as well. I'd like a remake just so they have a chance to change those patches of vague coloration. But most every character in that world wears very little clothing. In the scheme of things, I suppose it's acceptable.

Best damned game I've ever seen. But no, I don't even like to consider it part of the Final Fantasy universe.

[Vyuru]

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Best damned game I've ever seen. But no, I don't even like to consider it part of the Final Fantasy universe.

I'd forgotten, Vagrant Story was made by the same people who made the FF games wasn't it?

[Raydeus]

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To me a FF game is a combination of familiar elements (jobs, chocos, kupo, etc) and familiar-ish game style. Games like Crisis Core could be considered part of these, but not Tactics.

And of course this is all so subjective there's not much of a point on trying to find a standard.

[711rocks]

Re: What do you consider "FINAL FANTASY"?

tactics for sure
possibly even chocobo racing

[Vyuru]

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but not Tactics.

What is it about FFT that makes it not in the FF universe?

And I should probably say that when I think of FFT I think of just FFT, and not the I think it's two FFTA spinoffs of the original FFT for the PS.

[The Mauva Syndicate]

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I am now loading up vagrant story on my emulator for the millionenth time, I love this game so much.

Amen - I was hoping for a sequel, espeically after gaining all the cool abilities and such

And I liked the block puzzles, those were fun too

And the targeting system was A LOT of fun as well.

[Lmnop]

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This Ivalice business is a bit unnerving, see. Yeah, FFT, Vagrant Story, and FF12 all share some big names of people I don't ever care to remember. I just know they have a lot in common. And wouldn't you know it? They all take place in Ivalice.

Which is interesting and all, but the world of Vagrant Story is clearly much more on the "low magic" end of the spectrum than the titles with Final Fantasy in them. It's very hard for me to consider them the same universe. Even though Vagrant Story has an accessory called Agrias' Balm (FFT tactics fans get the reference), which is said to have been used by the holy knight in ages past. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Hmm.

A lot of people are saying "Jobs" make FF, but everyone's favorite (zomgfanboy FFSEVEN) is the one that lacks the most distinction between character and any sort of job correlation. I guess Cait Sith has reels for his Limit Break to continue the Setzer thing, Tifa's limit breaks always become manifest as Monk abilities (Final Heaven has gone through a handful of revisions since the miniskirt), and Cid had some very loose ties to a Dragoon concept but... egh. I guess 8's not much better. At least they have a blue mage.

So uh.. I haven't played FFTA. Or I guess there's a sequel now? Haven't even seen it. But I consider at least the 1st one to be true, core FF material.

How many FF-typed titles have a strong 3rd party influence? I mean... hasn't S-E outsourced all these remake projects? Have any of the stories of these spin-offs been written by outside people?

EDIT: I just read the wiki page on the Ivalice alliance. My fanon is breaking!

[Vyuru]

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This Ivalice business is a bit unnerving, see. Yeah, FFT, Vagrant Story, and FF12 all share some big names of people I don't ever care to remember. I just know they have a lot in common. And wouldn't you know it? They all take place in Ivalice.

Which is interesting and all, but the world of Vagrant Story is clearly much more on the "low magic" end of the spectrum than the titles with Final Fantasy in them. It's very hard for me to consider them the same universe.

One thing that I've thought interesting was if you looked at the rewards for completing the various jobs and the location descriptions. Just from reading them it does sound like there are ages of science and ages of magic, and some inbetween. There is even materia.

And....

There is that machine that you get Cloud from. I forget if it is called a time machine or if it's some sort of alternate dimension machine or just what. But if it was a time machine, then it would add weight to the Ivalice is the world of FF arguement.

And at this point I'll say that I'm not exactly sure what we're discussing here, because now we seem to be talking more about are they the same world, and not what do you consider a FF game, which I take to be two seperate questions.

I see no reason that they couldn't all be from the same world, although placing each FF game in a chronological order would probably be rough. It'd be interesting to compare the world maps for each of the FF games.

[MrMageo]

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FF7 didn't have a job system???? Of course it did all the jobs were materia based, while some characters had job defining abilities.

I would like to introduce you to:

Enemy Skill Materia : Blue Magic
Healing Materia : Healing Magic
Enhancment Materia: Support Magic
Elemental Materia: Nuking Magic
Summon Materia: Summoning Magic
Attack Materia: Melee Stats

Aerith: Healing Wind = benediction
Tifa: Monk related
Cid: Dragoon Related
Barret/Yuffie/Vincent: RNG-esque


The best part of FF was its complete customization of job classes. Essentially they were all RDM's good at all not masters, unless you speced them to be that way.

If you argue FF7 does not have a strong "job system" the same can be said for 5,6 and 10,12, in which you can have all characters learn every spell/ability in the game (exception ff12's overdirves). 5 pretty well invented the job system, and 10 was one of the next to make it indepth again (Ie certain charecters were stronger against different mob types).


Also for the offshoot discussions I can't beleive Kingdom hearts hasn't been discussed.

[TheGrandMom]

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I hated FF7's Materia system. I don't consider if a job system either. For me it made the game incredibily easy and not very exciting.