Thumbs up to Crisis Core!

[Feba]

Re: Thumbs up to Crisis Core!

You have to consider a lot of those copies aren't being sold. $100 is way too much, but I have seen local shops selling used copies of FF7-9 for $30-50.


I'm surprised they haven't rereleased it; if not a remake, as a PSP port or something. Of course, there's nothing keeping you from finding a good emulator and some isos; and you're really not taking any money away from SE, considering that they aren't making a profit on sales either way.

If we're going solely on writing quality:

Quit reading, you'll probably miss out on 90% of the good ones anyway.

Changed for literature!

If we're going solely on artistic talent:

Quit looking, you'll probably miss out on 90% of the good ones anyway.

Changed for paintings!

If we're going solely on singing ability:

Quit listening, you'll probably miss out on 90% of the good ones anyway.

Changed for music!

If we're going solely on special effects:

Quit watching, you'll probably miss out on 90% of the good ones anyway.

Changed for films!



Whether you like it or not, bad graphics do affect a game. They make it hard for you to look at. It is pretty hard to play a game you are not looking at. They ruin the suspension of disbelief, or (visual) art value, depending on the styling. The worst sorts of bad graphics (frame rate, collision detection errors, and other errors and glitches) can directly impact gameplay.

That said, FF7 doesn't have bad graphics. They're just old. That probably makes it hard for some people to look at, and that's understandable. PS1/N64 is not a graphic style. 8bit, there's a graphic style. 2D sprites, there's an art style. Primitive 3D models? Not an art style, sorry.

[Humar]

Re: Thumbs up to Crisis Core!

Ok well why couldnt i just bought FF Crisis Core cause i wanted a PSP game and cause i read it was supposed to be really good. And why couldnt i just have not knew that he died in VII cause i 1)didnt get very far 2) forget which FF is which cause theres so many of them or 3)Didnt play/get the game because im to busy with other games that i have that occupy me or because i didnt/dont have the money to get it O.o

Theres pleny of reasons for me to have CC and be playing it without knowing the story.
As far as the graphics they dont bother me too much as long as the gameplay is good. Final Fantasy Tactics doesnt have the best graphics but i can still play it on my PS1 and be content. LoZ Ocorina of time/Majoras Mask dont have the best graphics and are quite possibly my two favorite games of all time.

I think you just like dissing everyone about trying to get in on FF talk because you think you know so much of it already and like thinking in your own mind that "uhh new people to a series, Gross! im a serious fan of FF all thesse *uhgg* newbs to the series make me want to kill myself, cause ive been with it from the beggining."

Sorry if this sounds in anyway like a flame but thats what i think of this situation.

[Feba]

Re: Thumbs up to Crisis Core!

No, no, you're correct, BBQ is elitist in pretty much everything. Which is a shame, because he's pretty reasonable when he isn't.

[Humar]

Re: Thumbs up to Crisis Core!

Ok so i have gotten farther in this game. Turns out taht % is only in the missions and not the game/story.

Anyways im still having problems getting my magics to level up when they are lower than others.. and i can now equip 6 magics... still waiting on being able to equip(looks like it'll be) 4 accesory pieces. so many good items i have.. i cant decide on just two >.<

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Thumbs up to Crisis Core!

You have to consider a lot of those copies aren't being sold. $100 is way too much, but I have seen local shops selling used copies of FF7-9 for $30-50.

$30 would be reasonable if it wasn't a Greatest Hits copy.

That said, FF7 doesn't have bad graphics. They're just old. That probably makes it hard for some people to look at, and that's understandable. PS1/N64 is not a graphic style. 8bit, there's a graphic style. 2D sprites, there's an art style. Primitive 3D models? Not an art style, sorry.

Doing Mega Man 9 in 8-bit for Wii Ware is a style.

8-bit Mega Man was not a style on the NES, it was just as much an aspect of the hardware as initial polygonal characters were on Playstation or N64. 2D sprites just aged better than early 3D characters did.

[Feba]

Re: Thumbs up to Crisis Core!

$30 would be reasonable if it wasn't a Greatest Hits copy.

Honestly, I've never seen FF7 or 8 without the Greatest Hits styling on the box.

8-bit Mega Man was not a style on the NES, it was just as much an aspect of the hardware as initial polygonal characters were on Playstation or N64.

Well, yes and no. Was it required by the hardware? Obviously. But there's a large difference.

Mainly, when primitive sprites are done properly, they have a very definite style. For example, I think it would be hard to point at SMB and say "Wow, that game really looked great for it's graphical limitations"; while the game itself might be incredible, the graphics aren't that great. On the same system, though, Mega Man had a definite style. If you consider SMB2 a Mario game, that too.

Obviously, after 8 Bit, 2D games and sprites kept improving, with everything from Super Mario World to Guilty Gear. But 8-Bit has a definitely recognizable style, and can be appreciated.

Early 3D characters would be more like the sprites seen on 2600; for example, Pitfall. They're just crude. Obviously with the PS2 generation, they started to become much smoother, and get good definition. But in a generation or two, even that will likely look primitive, with the exception of some abstract games like Rez. 3D models don't look good, retrospectively speaking, as quality continues to improve. We might not have a problem with playing GTA3 after playing GTA4; but what about playing 5 and 6? Let alone the fact that gaming is due for another revolution (I vote 3D video glasses).

When they were created for the NES, yes, they had no choice with it, but there is definitely art in 8-bit. Again, just compare games like SMB to ones like Mega Man; same hardware constraints, but you can look so much better. The primitive looking ones, they were limited by it. The good looking ones, however, could be very sharp and interesting.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Thumbs up to Crisis Core!

We can srsly have this discussion in another thread.

But about Crisis Core: I'm level 47, playing on Hard, and the last boss is FSCKIN IMPOSSIBLE.

I gave up on trying to get Genji Gear, because I have way too many missions ahead of me.

Ugh.

I guess I just gotta trudge through the "Normal" missions until I level up enough...

Being a completionist really sucks in this game.

[TheGrandMom]

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Actually, FF7 is fucking hard to find around where I am. I've tried Ebay, everyone wants at least $100 for $14.00 game it's retarded -. -

Oh for petes sake!! I have a couple brand new copies and a couple opened copies as well and I don't buy the greatest hits crap either. I should really dig out my Ico's and FFVII's and make some money....well some of them at least.

We can srsly have this discussion in another thread.

But about Crisis Core: I'm level 47, playing on Hard, and the last boss is FSCKIN IMPOSSIBLE.

I gave up on trying to get Genji Gear, because I have way too many missions ahead of me.

Ugh.

I guess I just gotta trudge through the "Normal" missions until I level up enough...

Being a completionist really sucks in this game.

/comfort

Don't worry the OP knows how things can easily go off track at FFXIO. It's like most of us suffer from attention deficit disorder.

But I totally understand your dilema with being a completionist. I will go back to a previous save if I find even the tiniest thing that I missed. I'll lose hours of playtime sometimes. My son says I'm anal......I think thats just his way of calling me an a**hole without getting into trouble.

[Losrase]

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Actually, FF7 is fucking hard to find around where I am. I've tried Ebay, everyone wants at least $100 for $14.00 game it's retarded -. -

I am thinking about getting Crisis Core and started reading this thread to see if it is actually worth buying. Then I come across this replay and decide to go check on amazon for prices on FF7...

Price range
New: $280-$600
Used: $75-$150

I own both the PS version(black cover) and the PC version of FF7. I had no idea FF7 was popular enough that people are willing to play those crazy prices.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Thumbs up to Crisis Core!

I'm a completionist, but only on the second or third time around. Get more replay that way.

[WishMaster3K]

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Crisis Core wouldn't be so bad if leveling up wasn't so batshit-insane.

I tend to believe the idea that there is an "Accumulated EXP", and that whole concept, but it's absurd that I can go for hours, forget that I have even leveled up, and then randomly get 2-3 over the course of the next 10minutes.

I got so used to "Hard Mode" just being filler for extra goodies, but a lot of the side quests (I'm looking at you, "The Lifestream Is Strong At this section" Monsters) are ridiculously overcomplicated.

It's lame that Missions don't transfer over in New Game + >.<

The first form of the last boss is laying the smack down on me something vicious. He sticks the sword in, summons the pets, and I don't get to kill the bastards fast enough. Before I know it, he's sword-summoned 3 more waves and I'm fighting for my life.

Everything in the game seems random.. Summons, DMW Cummons (caitsith, Chocobo, etc).. :-(

This isn't an easy game.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Thumbs up to Crisis Core!

This isn't an easy game.

I know......isn't it AWESOME!?

[WishMaster3K]

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It's a HEADACHE!

I want to break damage and break HP limits so bad, lol...

More than anything, I need a better way of leveling up, or getting more stat boosters to my Materia. I HATE the fact that enemies in missions have a jillion status-causing moves.

I can't equip +VIT or +SPR gear because I have to equip negate-Curse/poison/silence/stop/stun/death accessories.

Yes. Enemies cast Death.

And have Death Sword.

And Death Strike.

and Deth Fang.

I fucking hate this game so hard sometimes, but I always come back.

The Difficulty curve is definitely functioning on an (x^2) operation and I'm going straight vertical right now.

[Malacite]

Re: Thumbs up to Crisis Core!

Oh for petes sake!! I have a couple brand new copies and a couple opened copies as well and I don't buy the greatest hits crap either. I should really dig out my Ico's and FFVII's and make some money....well some of them at least.

I will buy one and pay the shipping if it isn't too much >.>b

8 and 9 are around 14.99 here, but I'll give ya $20 + shipping and not a penny more
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Yes. Enemies cast Death.

And have Death Sword.

And Death Strike.

and Dest Fang.

I forget the name but there are a few equipments I believe that prevent death.

Doing the game on Normal is just torture, you're better off doing a run on normal (especially to get the Moogle DMW materia) and then doing a new game+ on Hard.

The final boss I believe has 10x his normal HP on Hard Mode.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Thumbs up to Crisis Core!

And his minions are ridiculously overpowered.

I think I need to be at least level 60 to mess with him.

The item is Safety Bit, but nothing sucks harder then making it to the objective in a mission only for the fucker to cast an unstoppable "Death" spell.

Then I have to figure out which piece of gear I can sacrifice just for that..

I think you can theoretically dodge every attack in the game that isn't a cutscene, but the timing for that sucks so bad... It's like Legend of Dragoon on crack.