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  • Possibly the Last Brawl Thread to Release? "Quick Techniques": Skill + Game Balance!

    Good thing, too: I'm starting to use up the entire title space when posting these.

    Anywho, let us make things clear from the get go:

    I am well aware of the fact that Brawl info was leaked, and I am also aware of Sakurai's "?????" updates on the Dojo. PLEASE try to refrain from posting content from either, and if you must, for the love of all things good, use SPOILER tags, and clearly indicate from which source you are spoiling from as well, or "SPOILER=Source," replacing quotation marks with brackets.

    Now that I'm done hurting everybody's eyes . . .

    I must applaud Sakurai's statements pertaining to "Advanced" Techniques, or, more "officially," Quick Techniques. The first of important note is something that made me giggle like a schoolgirl . . . while I was at school. Anyways, this is it:

    Originally posted by Masahiro Sakurai
    <Stale-Move Negation>

    Use a particular move too many times and the damage it deals will begin to decrease!

    And so it should. Let’s face it, it takes more skill to use a character’s full move set than to rely on the same attack over and over.

    Moves will decrease in attack power when used repeatedly and get progressively weaker with additional usage, so try and weave a wide variety of attacks into your offense.

    Also, if you feel like your attacks just aren’t launching the opponent as far as they should... Once again, I suggest you try mixing a few other moves into your offense.



    Hey, don’t you think it’s time you, y’know, tried some other moves?


    What made me giggle was the fact they were referencing Fox specifically in the image. First, no wavedash. Second, no laser-spam. Or reflector spam, for that matter. I just love the little things Sakurai is doing to make this a better game.

    Oh, what was also amusing is another Brawl-specific "Quick Technique" was included, as I predicted most of their purposes would be, to neutralize another flaw in Melee. It . . . doesn't really have that much to do with actual fighting though.

    Let us see if you can see which glitch this was so painfully obviously designed to counteract.

    Originally posted by Masahiro Sakurai
    <Breaking Reflectors>

    ・Mario’s Cape
    ・Fox’s Reflector
    ・Pit’s Angel Ring and Mirror Shield
    ・Zelda’s Naryu’s Love

    ...And so on. All these moves have the ability to reflect incoming projectiles back at your opponent. When you use one of these to send back an attack, it actually increases the damage that projectile does.

    But if you and your opponent pump up a projectile’s damage too high, say by reflecting it back and forth...the projectile will become too powerful and break through your reflecting device.



    You’ll take a heavily powered-up shot straight to the body, so you know it’s going to hurt.


    There are also little things in there that make reading the entire thing worthwhile. Not least (to me, at least) was to know Teching had a proper name, which is "Ukemi." The return of some tourney-favorites also ensure that previous tourney-goers will indeed appreciate the amount of skill that the game will still demand of them, while appropriate game balance ensures that the casual player will never be too far behind.

    All my previous fears of "Melee 2" . . . completely shattered! Annihilated! Obliterated! Sakurai.

    This will be, the greatest game ever. For everybody. No exceptions.

    End of story.

    With all ,

    ~YM.

    Source

    ______________________________
    Added note (because this didn't seem right in the OP):

    Since Breaking Reflectors is revealed to be possible, this kind of eliminates all worry of Final Smashes being reflected. I mean, they would obviously be so powerful as to already be at the Reflector-Breaking point.
    Last edited by Yellow Mage; 02-11-2008, 08:34 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
    Originally posted by Armando
    No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
    Originally posted by Armando
    Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
    Originally posted by Taskmage
    GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

    REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

    GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

    THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
    Originally posted by Taskmage
    However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
    Matthew 16:15

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    Re: Possibly the Last Brawl Thread to Release? &quot;Quick Techniques&quot;: Skill + Game Balan

    The barrier break is good when it gets reflected ALOT. I have played some games that didn't boast this feature, and it got so powered up that the initial impact(and splash) killed EVERYONE on screen in a matter of seconds.
    Originally posted by Ellipses
    Really, it's just like pretty much every question about this game that begins with "Why." The answer is "Because."
    Originally posted by MCLV
    A subjob is like sex, you shouldn't have it untill your 18 but if you don't have it after 21 everyone laughs at you.
    More Sig:

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    • #3
      Re: Possibly the Last Brawl Thread to Release? &quot;Quick Techniques&quot;: Skill + Game Balan

      Both of those features were already in Melee. Except that they took the same-move negation a step further in Brawl in the sense that knockback gets gimped too now. But, unlike Melee, your attacks will gain strength back when you use others.

      Also, Fox still has shine infinites against walls LOL. So much easier to do now. Pit kinda does too, sort of, with his side-B.

      I played Brawl today, it was SOOOO worth it.

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      • #4
        Re: Possibly the Last Brawl Thread to Release? &quot;Quick Techniques&quot;: Skill + Game Balan

        Originally posted by Armando View Post
        Both of those features were already in Melee. Except that they took the same-move negation a step further in Brawl in the sense that knockback gets gimped too now.
        It kind of has to. I mean, Hello Sheik-Chainthrow? I never noticed either feature in Melee, though.

        Also, are you in Japan?
        Originally posted by Armando
        No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
        Originally posted by Armando
        Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
        Originally posted by Taskmage
        GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

        REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

        GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

        THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
        Originally posted by Taskmage
        However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
        Matthew 16:15

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        • #5
          Re: Possibly the Last Brawl Thread to Release? &quot;Quick Techniques&quot;: Skill + Game Balan

          No, some friend of a guy from the university downloaded it off of the internets to play it on a mod-chipped Wii.

          It's very easy to tell stuff like Samus's Charge Shot. Every time it lands, it does less %, down to a little bit over half if you do it enough. Likewise, try reflecting the Charge Shot twice, on the third attempt it'll break your shield.

          Works for lasers too but it takes 7 reflections. Most other projectiles don't travel enough to not disappear into thin air before reaching the critical point though.

          EDIT: Actually the problem with Sheik's throw is precisely the fact that it has too little knockback, lol.

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          • #6
            Re: Possibly the Last Brawl Thread to Release? &quot;Quick Techniques&quot;: Skill + Game Balan

            Nonetheless, even though abuses will inevitably appear, you forget that Brawl has something Melee doesn't.

            That would be the very Intarwebs you speak of.
            Originally posted by Armando
            No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
            Originally posted by Armando
            Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
            Originally posted by Taskmage
            GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

            REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

            GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

            THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
            Originally posted by Taskmage
            However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
            Matthew 16:15

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            • #7
              Re: Possibly the Last Brawl Thread to Release? &quot;Quick Techniques&quot;: Skill + Game Balan

              The best thing about Brawl is most definitely the air dodge. It's so kick-ass.

              Also, Snake crouches slightly lower than Kirby I think. It's awesome. He can crawl under a lot of things that a character his height really shouldn't.

              There's not a whole lot to abuse though.
              Last edited by Armando; 02-11-2008, 05:32 PM.

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              • #8
                Re: Possibly the Last Brawl Thread to Release? &quot;Quick Techniques&quot;: Skill + Game Balan

                Which was to be expected.

                Except the Snake crouching lower than Kirby: how is that physically possible?

                . . . Wait a minute . . .

                Armando, you forgot to follow the rules outlined in red in that post.
                Originally posted by Armando
                No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
                Originally posted by Armando
                Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
                Originally posted by Taskmage
                GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

                REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

                GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

                THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
                Originally posted by Taskmage
                However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
                Matthew 16:15

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                • #9
                  Re: Possibly the Last Brawl Thread to Release? &quot;Quick Techniques&quot;: Skill + Game Balan

                  You know in the trailers when he does a dodge roll and goes into a lying-face-down crawling position? That way.

                  Thing is, it doesn't take him any longer to reach that position than it takes for any other character to crouch.

                  Those aren't spoilers, what are you talking about? D:

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                  • #10
                    Re: Possibly the Last Brawl Thread to Release? &quot;Quick Techniques&quot;: Skill + Game Balan

                    Here's a hint as to what you did wrong
                    Originally posted by Armando
                    No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
                    Originally posted by Armando
                    Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
                    Originally posted by Taskmage
                    GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

                    REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

                    GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

                    THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
                    Originally posted by Taskmage
                    However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
                    Matthew 16:15

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                    • #11
                      Re: Possibly the Last Brawl Thread to Release? &quot;Quick Techniques&quot;: Skill + Game Balan

                      Oh, right. Shit. Well, it was a given that character was coming back anyways >_> Edited the post though.
                      Last edited by Armando; 02-11-2008, 05:39 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Possibly the Last Brawl Thread to Release? &quot;Quick Techniques&quot;: Skill + Game Balan

                        This update was important purely for the image below:

                        PSN & XBL ID: Meicyn
                        Wii Code: 6847-2608-8630-2415

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                        • #13
                          Re: Possibly the Last Brawl Thread to Release? &quot;Quick Techniques&quot;: Skill + Game Balan

                          Missed something in the first post.
                          Originally posted by Yellow Mage
                          There are also little things in there that make reading the entire thing worthwhile. Not least (to me, at least) was to know L-Canceling had a proper name, which is "Ukemi."
                          That's not L-cancel, that's teching.

                          And yes, I lol'd at eating while crawing. I didn't know that.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Possibly the Last Brawl Thread to Release? &quot;Quick Techniques&quot;: Skill + Game Balan

                            Originally posted by Armando View Post
                            That's not L-cancel, that's teching.
                            Bah, I don't care much for tourney lingo.

                            ( . . . But I fixed it, anyways. )
                            Originally posted by Armando
                            No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
                            Originally posted by Armando
                            Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
                            Originally posted by Taskmage
                            GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

                            REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

                            GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

                            THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
                            Originally posted by Taskmage
                            However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
                            Matthew 16:15

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