SE's New Upcoming Untitled MMORPG

[Skoal]

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Mhurron: It's really not that bad. EVE Online effectively has a roundabout method of officialized RMT in place, but the economy there isn't ravaged by it.

It's unchecked RMT that's a problem, not officially endorsed stuff.

I don't think its the economy. I know I wouldn't want to play a game where everyone is spending real money to get nice gear (or whatever) while I am going to acquire my goods the old fashioned way.

I'll stand by what I said the first I found about RMT. I never thought that people were stupid enough to real money on something they could get in the game with some patience.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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Any game that does this I won't play.

Oh, I don't know. Depends on what you can buy, I may not mind.

Hair style/color, face paint, decorative clothing, Mog House items (without Moghancement effects), personalized /emote's--as long as you can't substantially alter game play with RL money, I can accept it with good humor.

Not going to hurt me any if S-E makes an MMORPG, and allows players to pay money to take their characters out of the game and import them to an off-line RPG or Sims style game, or even certain types of on-line games.

"Cap your Summoning Skill on your Nintendo DS by playing mini-games!"

"Import your FFXI Online character into Ehrgeiz Revolution for a total brawl with your friends on PS3!"

"Wii! Exercise your way to a slender self with your character and adventuring fellow as coach and trainer on the (that pad thing with a name I don't remember)"

None of those sounds horribly threatening, even if I'm completely uninterested in any.

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If it gets beyond decoration and maybe a bit of transportation conveniences in-game, however, then it could get on my nerves.

[Mhurron]

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I will not play any game that costs above the initial price and monthly costs.

[Mhurron]

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I don't think its the economy. I know I wouldn't want to play a game where everyone is spending real money to get nice gear (or whatever) while I am going to acquire my goods the old fashioned way.

Which would become impossible as everyone would simply say, "Just go buy it."

[Feba]

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I know I wouldn't want to play a game where everyone is spending real money to get nice gear (or whatever) while I am going to acquire my goods the old fashioned way.

See, that's the thing. In a properly managed game, it doesn't matter what you can afford if it doesn't really give you an advantage. Buying things can give people the opportunity to be evened out with more dedicated players, instead of being punished for having a life, while at the same time not making it feasible to get a huge leap over everyone else.

I will not play any game that costs above the initial price and monthly costs.

I can respect that, but it's very arbitrary. Why are monthly costs ok? Guild wars survives just fine without it. Why are initial prices ok? Plenty of MMOs allow you to download them and start playing without paying. Some MMOs don't require any cost at all, unless you want to buy some fancy pieces of armor and maybe get a faster mount.

It's very silly to arbitrarily define your expectations of all MMOs off of your experiences with another one-- anyone who plays FFXI should know this. Wouldn't it be far wiser to judge a game based on HOW MUCH you're paying, instead of WHAT you're paying for?

[ItazuraNhomango]

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I will not play any game that costs above the initial price and monthly costs.

You're looking at it the wrong way; people who buy fluffs for the game would subsidizing your monthly fees.

[Feba]

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Which would become impossible as everyone would simply say, "Just go buy it."

You've obviously never played a game where the RMT was managed, instead of out of control.

Sure, people are going to say that if your economy gets so fucked up that inflation on some items goes to over twenty times what you see in saner times. That is not a fault of RMT. That is a fault of SE for not controlling the sale of money.

Anyone who has played a game where the RMT is controlled can tell you that IGE's gil sales were insane, and not representative of RMT that is handled responsibly by people that have a reason to care about the game's success.

[Mhurron]

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Buying things can give people the opportunity to be evened out with more dedicated players, instead of being punished for having a life, while at the same time not making it feasible to get a huge leap over everyone else.

Then what the hell is the point in playing, trying to push yourself to be better if someone who doesn't want to can plop down a credit card and get everything you can in an instant.

I can respect that, but it's very arbitrary. Why are monthly costs ok?

Everybody pays the same amount, and the cost means nothing in the game. If you want to make your character better you work at it in game.

[Skoal]

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See, that's the thing. In a properly managed game, it doesn't matter what you can afford if it doesn't really give you an advantage. Buying things can give people the opportunity to be evened out with more dedicated players, instead of being punished for having a life, while at the same time not making it feasible to get a huge leap over everyone else.

I am one of those people "punished" for having a real life. I do not do have time for Sky, Sea, Dynamis etc. I would be one of those people who would have to pay just to keep up. The reason I am not so far behind in FFXI is that people can buy their way up (legally). People who spend the most time on the game usually will be better off with gear, missions etc.

[Feba]

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Then what the hell is the point in playing, trying to push yourself to be better if someone who doesn't want to can plop down a credit card and get everything you can in an instant.

Since you apparently did not get the meaning of what I was saying, let me put it more bluntly: Get the fuck out of FFXI for a few weeks and play a game that CONTROLS it's RMT. You can not get everything you want in an instant with a credit card in a game where the problem is thought out instead of outright denied.

Everybody pays the same amount, and the cost means nothing in the game. If you want to make your character better you work at it in game.

Which is also the case with almost every game where RMT is accepted or encouraged. Even where it gives you a slight edge, it's hardly ever so large that you REQUIRE it.

I would be one of those people who would have to pay just to keep up.

Again, this is not at all the case.

To anyone who thinks that RMT in games automatically means that all the players simply buy until they're at the top and there is no point to putting in a legitimate effort, go actually play some of said games instead of making yourself look ignorant.

[Skoal]

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To anyone who thinks that RMT in games automatically means that all the players simply buy until they're at the top and there is no point to putting in a legitimate effort, go actually play some of said games instead of making yourself look ignorant.

I just went by what you said.

Buying things can give people the opportunity to be evened out with more dedicated players, instead of being punished for having a life, while at the same time not making it feasible to get a huge leap over everyone else.

I can only give my opinion on why I wouldn't want to pay more money to play a game. I am sure it works for some people, just not me.

[Pai Pai Master]

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More MMOs are dropping monthly fees in lieu of real money purchases.

If I don't have to pay a monthly fee and get the option to pay a little bit for a few items every now and then, I'm fine with it.

[Telera]

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"Cap your Summoning Skill on your Nintendo DS by playing mini-games!"

If that happened I might just come back and give SE another try in the MMO department. Most likely not, but still. Summoning Mini-games while at work? LOL! Great fun, great fun.

[Malacite]

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Depends on how much money we're talking about too.

There have been times when I wish I could have simply paid a couple of bucks for a Hagun rather than busting my ass off in-game for months farming. But @ the rate that RMT charge for gil, even if it was legal, to hell with it.

[TheGrandMom]

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I've played some MMO's where there was no monthly fee but you could buy items to enhance your character. I found that I would spend more money on that type of game than one like FFXI. It was one of the reasons I stopped playing them. I was in constant competition with others to keep my character appropriately leveled so that I could get into the good guilds. I found that it cheapened the experience for me GREATLY so I avoid all games of this structure.

I'm in total agreement with Mhurron, I will probably not play a game like this. The only thing that could get me too was if the items you could purchase were "fluff" items.