Taxes - Won't someone think of the Children!

[Feba]

Re: Taxes - Won't someone think of the Children!

Look at this thread. It's filled with logical people who share different beliefs about this particular case point.

No, not really. That statement itself is illogical-- it says "these people disagree on something, therefore it is not logical", when it has never been proven that those people are logical in the first place. Honestly, that comment hits me in the same way that "Teach The Controversy" does.

It involves feelings and opinions.

Feelings and opinions are very different things. Feelings should have nothing to do with voting, opinions should have everything to do with it. You can come to very different opinions through equally logical thoughts, but you cannot vote intelligently if you are guided by emotion.

[Mr.Trilby]

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Feelings have everything to do with voting. For example, your current president went to war with Iraq ( as did my government ) my FEELINGS on that war mean i won't vote for labour again until they pull out of Iraq. I mean, c'mon, jesus man we haven't found a damn nuke in Irag yet. And never will. Isn't that why we went to war with them? Oh wait, no it was over Gasoline/Petrol....i'm so forgetful sometimes. If your feelings don't have some effect on your vote you might as well live on Mars.

You should never vote with blind emotion but if you don't vote with your true feelings your lying to yourself.

[Feba]

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I'm not saying you can't have feelings about political matters, but if it interferes with your votes, then yes, you should not be voting.

"I hate these people because they were in power when something bad happened" is an example of poor voting, guided by emotion rather than rational thought.

"I will not vote for these people because while they were in power previously they did something that had negative consequences" is logical.

[Mr.Trilby]

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Oh no, i'm not saying that i will not vote for them cause something negative happened. Hell if the party i voted for came to power they'd make lots of mistakes. They haven't been in power since 1923 so they'd make lots of mistakes. Who seriously voted for GW Bush though? He didn't even have the guts to fight for his own country in Vietnam.

[Akashimo]

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What are you now Feba, a Vulcan Master?

Its highly illogical to expect irrational and illogical beings to be logical.

[Mr.Trilby]

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LOL! Sorry but thats the funniest thing i've heard on this forum.

[Feba]

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Its highly illogical to expect irrational and illogical beings to be logical.

Perhaps, but I'm not expecting them to be, just wishing it were so.

Who seriously voted for GW Bush though?

The Electoral College.

[Mr.Trilby]

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Retards.

[Neomage]

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People that are capable of thinking logically, and do not act without sufficient information on a subject.



You're, and no, actually I'd be just fine.

The basic idea would be to test someone's competence. For example, someone who votes one way or another because someone told them to is out.

Personally, I don't believe a government can regulate who votes for it without a significant amount of corruption, so I do not believe it would be a good idea in practice.

I do, however, think that it is the duty of the stupid not to vote.

I concur. I feel that anyone who votes for somebody, simply because they are affiliated with the same party, or somebody else told them to, or if they saw something on T.V., shouldn't be allowed to vote at all. Even if it's only a popularity vote. After all, by voting you are supposed to be expressing YOUR opinion, that is why YOU get ONE vote. If you vote for other people, you are denying your right to express your opinion, and thus, should lose the right to express your opinion.

Also:

I'm sure Wisconsin has a huge problem with smugglers from South America. Makes a ton of sense.

ROFL

[LyonheartLakshmi]

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I concur. I feel that anyone who votes for somebody, simply because they are affiliated with the same party... shouldn't be allowed to vote at all.

In general, I'll vote for the candidate that represents the party I identify with the most.

Why?

Because in the end, an elected official will still need cooperation from other members of his political party to do his job. And other than the president, elected officials also need to think about the future of their career -- if they go against their party, they won't be able to get the support that they need for future elections.

A Republican could claim to have values typically associated with Democrats. And a Democrat could claim to take a stand on an issue normally taken by a Republican. But in the end, they'll both tow the party line when something important comes up.

[Sabaron]

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In general, I'll vote for the candidate that represents the party I identify with the most...

This accurately depicts the "High School Football Team" mentality that I believe defines American Politics in general. You don't vote for someone because he has good ideas or ideas that you agree with--you vote for him because he's playing for your team.

There are many of examples of this on Youtube.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

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This accurately depicts the "High School Football Team" mentality that I believe defines American Politics in general. You don't vote for someone because he has good ideas or ideas that you agree with--you vote for him because he's playing for your team.

He does have ideas that agree with me. If he didn't, he wouldn't be affiliated with the same political party that I am.

[Feba]

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This accurately depicts the "High School Football Team" mentality that I believe defines American Politics in general. You don't vote for someone because he has good ideas or ideas that you agree with--you vote for him because he's playing for your team.
There are many of examples of this on Youtube.

Which is really the biggest problem with America's politics.

There's really no reason nowadays why we can't have a direct democracy, with people voting for laws themselves. A congress might have been good and needed two hundred years ago, but it's really not anymore.

Of course, this is also linked to the fact that the federal government has way too much power anyway.

[Akashimo]

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Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Keep that in mind while trying to change an established system.

Honestly though. I lost faith in any human controlled system. Why? Humanity is flawed. Best to let the idiots kill themselves off while the smart ones lurk on the forums and wait for the right moment to gain control.

As for our(the USA) gov't, a main issue, is that, while political parties are both good and bad, its become more bad than good.
Good as in, a party that wants to stay in power, has to throw good bones to the other party. In congress, senate, what ever, a the minority party can filabuster if they want to take action. That ability allows the lesser one to overpower the majority. (See Mr. Smith goes to Washington, heh, my gov't teacher loves that movie.)

....And what ever i had to say i just forgot.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

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There's really no reason nowadays why we can't have a direct democracy, with people voting for laws themselves.

And this is in the same exact thread where you said too many stupid people vote?