Taxes - Won't someone think of the Children!

[Ziero]

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This tax does unfairly single out video games, and for all the wrong reasons. Claiming that making kids pay extra to 'help out' other 'kids' is a total BS crock, especially since this forces people who don't break the law to spend extra to 'help out' those who do. They shouldn't need extra funding to seperate the violent from the non-violent 17 year old convicts, that should be part of the justice system already.

Now if it were a general 1% tax on ALL toys and 'children's products' which would be used to fund charities or government agencies that aid kids in need, then it would actually be something to consider. But having people spend more money on video game stuff to help 'rehabilitate' juvenile delinquents is just a crock of BS.

Edit: And yea, the majority of the time...not always but often...kids who cause problems are often the products of bad upbringings. And this is often due to bad parenting. Video games don't cause any sand kid to go out and commit violent acts, but a bad parent who either doesn't care or is just plain abusive will more often then not end up with a child who doesn't care or is just plain violent. So if there's a bad kid out there, it's often the result of a negative upringing which could be directly linked to their parents/guardians.

Though this is certainly not a 100% scenario, but very few things ever are.

[Sabaron]

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It funnels money into rehab clinics and gives them yet another excuse to indoctrinate children. Plus, it gives parents a nice way to pawn off their kids' problems on someone else and gives them the peace of mind that they can avoid any actual parenting. Their kids will grow up hating their therapist(s) instead of their parents. On the downside, this type of "parenting" most likely leads to children not even remembering their parent's names or calling their mother "Barbara" instead of "Mommy".

[DakAttack]

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Stop being a 'tard, Dak. This is nothing but blaming video games for the problem.

I think you're making this out to be something bigger than it is, because, really, one percent. If anybody is actually blaming video games they're retarded, but that doesn't mean that if their legal system could use some assistance they shouldn't levy a miniscule tax against one of our largest growing markets.

It probably wont happen anyways. It wouldn't be the end of the world if it did.

[Feba]

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I think you're making this out to be something bigger than it is, because, really, one percent.

What are you, an apologist for dumbasses?

It is blaming crime on video games. It's not taxing the market, many more things would be taxed if that were the case.

It is forcing the rest of us to pay for criminals because we play video games, not because we are criminals or contribute to them in any way, or because everyone should pay.

If you don't think that one percent is a big deal, how about you pay for it yourself?

[Susurrus]

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Sooooo glad i don't live in America.

Doesn't England have higher taxes on EVERYTHING ?

Also, Wisconsin is only one state out of 50 in the US. Even if it does pass (which I highly doubt), the other 49 states are completely uneffected.

[Yellow Mage]

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Also, Wisconsin is only one state out of 50 in the US. Even if it does pass (which I highly doubt), the other 49 states are completely uneffected.

But the point is, this should be allowed at all, even in only one state. You forget: other states may be tempted to follow Wisconsin's example if they actually get away with it.

Just because it doesn't happen to you, doesn't mean you shouldn't care.

[DakAttack]

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What are you, an apologist for dumbasses?

It is blaming crime on video games. It's not taxing the market, many more things would be taxed if that were the case.

It is forcing the rest of us to pay for criminals because we play video games, not because we are criminals or contribute to them in any way, or because everyone should pay.

If you don't think that one percent is a big deal, how about you pay for it yourself?

In retort I'm going to replace "What are you," with "You are in fact a" and finish it off with "government hating alarmist". Both you and Mhurron share similar positions, but at least I understand where Mhurron is coming from.

I believe that if they begin taxing video games it wont be for the same reason forever. What if next it's to help stop drug smuggling from South America? How will you percieve that as a threat?

[Mr.Trilby]

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Yeah the U.K get shat on for taxes. Especially petrol.

[WovenDarkness]

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Just because it doesn't happen to you, doesn't mean you shouldn't care.

Thanked for this quote.

~Personal thoughts:

If you would like to see something funny, suggest in an open forum to the chucklehead who purposed this tax that he levy a tax on his #1 hobby. Watch him balk. After watching his facial expression, I'd just coin in that it's only 1% and that maybe we could tax something else.....like I don't know....maybe groceries. ...but 1% would be too much for that and would take in too much money. I suppose that we could just cut that tax into a percent of 1%. Everybody pays. Everybody helps. Everybody wins. Do you suppose that he'd buy it? No? ...I thought as much too. ...Even he knows that wouldn't be good for his political career. While it might not end it, proposing something like that wouldn't be good.

All this ass wants to do is get money from somewhere....somewhere where it isn't going to damage his political career. When he's done taking your money, he's going to tell you about the good that he did with (your money) it. Youth may not have money...but it's only 1%, and that isn't much until you compound it...and youth don't vote much either. By the way, "kids helping kids" is a byline that one of his spinsters came up with.

It's a tax. More tax is bad. This guy wants to turn 1% more of "gamers" (feel free to insert any body of people, including "the general populace") money into state revenue. Tell them to stop taking your money and start spending less.


For a bit of a social experiment, let's just say that 1% of your annual video game spendage, including consoles etc., etc., etc., isn't that much. Since this is the end of the year, let's just go ahead and grandfather this new bill in for the year of 2007. Figure out how much you owe. Now mail me a check for that amount.

No?

You could argue that I'm not going to help a worthwhile cause with it. I'll argue that I'm a politician, and that I'll tell you what a worthwhile cause is....you see, not only do I want your money, I want to tell you what to believe. ..try not to get agitated. If you honestly don't get upset, post up your telephone number, as I have some work around my place that really need done in a bad way...

Stop giving jackasses like this your money and your rights.

[Feba]

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In retort I'm going to replace "What are you," with "You are in fact a" and finish it off with "government hating alarmist".

So you admit that you have no logical reason for defending him, except that he is a politician, and thus must be right.

I believe that if they begin taxing video games it wont be for the same reason forever. What if next it's to help stop drug smuggling from South America? How will you percieve that as a threat?

I'm sure Wisconsin has a huge problem with smugglers from South America. Makes a ton of sense.



When you want to argue something other than absurdity, Dak, we'll be waiting for you.

[DakAttack]

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I have no reason to think the worst of everything any one person does. Not yet anyways. Politics was never my thing, so I'm going to bow out. Remind me of that next time I(we) get absurd.

[Pai Pai Master]

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That's dumb.

Who the hell made Wisconsin a state?

[WovenDarkness]

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I have no reason to think the worst of everything any one person does. Not yet anyways. Politics was never my thing, so I'm going to bow out. Remind me of that next time I(we) get absurd.

Just my personal opinion, but I think that everybody should be involved in politics. People out to find out what's important to them, then find solutions that will work, and vote for people that will carry that(them) out. Getting tugged around by the heartstrings by a politician or any other group who would like you (3rd person) to see things as they do only serves to further the ambitions of said group. This is hardly a government for the people, by the people, and of the people.

Maybe my views are a bit "Norman Rockwell" in the political sense....maybe even a bit idealistic, and certainly not the way that things are going right now. But doesn't what ever the issue is need to be stated when things get down right dumb? Wouldn't you like to be informed when some elected dolt decides something for you? Shouldn't your voice be heard?

I post up stuff like this because I like to get people to think. To examine things. To choose for themselves.

I can only speak for myself in this matter and I hope you haven't taken my post(s) personally. I really don't have much interest in skewering folk. While I'm entirely capable of being a really large and foul smelling sphincter, what would the purpose of being one?

[Feba]

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Just my personal opinion, but I think that everybody should be involved in politics.

I don't. Have you ever talked to people? The people we have voting are stupid enough as is.

[Mr.Trilby]

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At least people vote in the U.S. In the U.k we just get dumped with the most awful, goofy looking person for Prime Minister. I don't even think they count the votes...